The Durant Sweepstakes

[JCSunsfan]

I wonder how that works, is he saying that the Nets can't own and therefore transfer the rights to swap? And now that I think about it, that better be unallowed. A team could get rich just selling pick swaps.

Those swaps should not be worth that much since the Suns should be picking late.

 

[Mainstreet]

Swapping draft picks in alternate years seems like a nebulous area that needs to be addressed in the next CBA.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

They could have swap options for picks they obtain.

Can you have swaps in a trade when at the time of the trade you don’t have anything to swap?

Just one more factor that argues against the silliness of some posters running around yelling “WE WON’T HAVE ANY PICKS FOR 7 YEARS!” with their hair on fire.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Those swaps should not be worth that much since the Suns should be picking late.

If we gave up Bridges, CamJ and all our picks/swaps to get Durant, I'm not so sure those swaps wouldn't be golden in draft years 3 through 7.

 

[Finito]

It's interesting the Suns can't swap draft picks for Durant because apparently the Nets don't have any.

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Oh I didn’t even think of that.

Harden screwed them over like crazy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Those swaps should not be worth that much since the Suns should be picking late.

That was the point I was making earlier in these discussions. In all likelihood no swap ever occurs because our pick will be worse than the nets.

 

[Finito]

If we gave up Bridges, CamJ and all our picks/swaps to get Durant, I'm not so sure those swaps wouldn't be golden in draft years 3 through 7.

All I need it 1

Just 1 ring and I don’t give a damn what happens from then on. I just need 1

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If we gave up Bridges, CamJ and all our picks/swaps to get Durant, I'm not so sure those swaps wouldn't be golden in draft years 3 through 7.

If we are coming of a ridiculous run with championships and still have an in their prime duo of book and Ayton with KD and Paul money coming off the books and a new tv deal inflating the cap you don’t think other stars aren’t looking to join book and Ayton to keep it going?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

All I need it 1

Just 1 ring and I don’t give a damn what happens from then on. I just need 1

Amen brotha. and I’d really like for it to be while my pops is still around to see it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If we are coming of a ridiculous run with championships and still have an in their prime duo of book and Ayton with KD and Paul money coming off the books and a new tv deal inflating the cap you don’t think other stars aren’t looking to join book and Ayton to keep it going?

Maybe but I wouldn't consider it a safe bet. Booker getting fed up in year 3 with Durant and Paul aging out as we struggle to win 36 games is also a possibility. Sarver beating the investigation, spending money to win for a couple of years and then locking down the vault is also a possibility. I see how much of a challenge it is for the Lakers and I don't see why our chances would be so much better than theirs?

 

[Covert Rain]

I have said it for years on these forums. Even arguing with people happy about “fun teams”. I don’t give a damn about any of it if the Sun don’t win a title. That’s the goal.

Let’s say all these moves net one title? I can live with that. I don’t regret for one second what Jerry did with the D-backs because we have a title for it. It’s been pretty miserable since.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Maybe but I wouldn't consider it a safe bet. Booker getting fed up in year 3 with Durant and Paul aging out as we struggle to win 36 games is also a possibility. Sarver beating the investigation, spending money to win for a couple of years and then locking down the vault is also a possibility. I see how much of a challenge it is for the Lakers and I don't see why our chances would be so much better than theirs?

I would agree with you except for the fact that I think our situation would be absolutely nothing like the lakers.

LAKERS: A clearly again Lebron and an in his prime Davis who can’t stay healthy. An albatross of a bad player and contract with Westbrook. Nothing else.

SUNS: an in the prime of his prime healthy Booker and in his prime healthy Ayton. An albatross contract but likely still at least somewhat impactful KD. Paul. Likely gone.

The only people that choose that lakers squad over that suns squad are the media that want to prop up Lebron and LA. No one else would.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I have said it for years on these forums. Even arguing with people happy about “fun teams”. I don’t give a damn about any of it if the Sun don’t win a title. That’s the goal.

Let’s say all these moves net one title? I can live with that. I don’t regret for one second what Jerry did with the D-backs because we have a title for it. It’s been pretty miserable since.

Agreed. But that lone dbacks World Series was worth all the misery. And baseball is my third, maybe fourth, favorite major sport.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have said it for years on these forums. Even arguing with people happy about “fun teams”. I don’t give a damn about any of it if the Sun don’t win a title. That’s the goal.

Let’s say all these moves net one title? I can live with that. I don’t regret for one second what Jerry did with the D-backs because we have a title for it. It’s been pretty miserable since.

Well there isn't just a "win it all" side or "be a fun team" side. I want to win it all but more than anything, I want to be able to believe that my team has a chance to win it all or a plan in progress that will give them a chance to win it all in the not too distant future. Take that away, and all of the sudden that title soon starts to mean less and less as the years go by.

I'm not alone in this and if you don't believe me, ask a Knicks fan or a Portland fan or a Wizards (Bullets) fan or 76er fan or a Houston fan or Bulls fan or even a Detroit fan if their last championship helps them enjoy the years of losing they've had since then.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well there isn't just a "win it all" side or "be a fun team" side. I want to win it all but more than anything, I want to be able to believe that my team has a chance to win it all or a plan in progress that will give them a chance to win it all in the not too distant future. Take that away, and all of the sudden that title starts to mean less and less as the years go by.

I'm not alone in this and if you don't believe me, ask a Knicks fan or a Portland fan or a Wizards (Bullets) fan or 76er fan or a Houston fan or Bulls fan or even a Detroit fan if their last championship helps them enjoy the years of losing they've had since then.

We have to disagree. Sure I would love to get the D-backs back to a respectful level. However, not for a microsecond for the rest of my life will I wish that title never happened no matter how miserable things are now. I bet if you ask any fan and give them the option of tearing down a title banner so the team could be better in the present you wouldn’t get very many takers.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We have to disagree. Sure I would love to get the D-backs back to a respectful level. However, not for a microsecond for the rest of my life will I wish that title never happened no matter how miserable things are now. I bet if you ask any fan and give them the option of tearing down a title banner so the team could be better in the present you wouldn’t get very many takers.

I'm viewing it from knowing that we'd win one championship (or two) at the cost of not being able to win it for a very long time after. So, in this scenario, the future is known and in that situation, no, a championship would not give me as much pleasure as a decade of possibly winning a championship.

Now, obviously, we don't know the future. So if we can add a Durant, win a ring or two and then rebuild in fairly short order, sure I'd be all for it even if we didn't actually win another championship in the next decade or two. And the championship would mean a lot to me. But posters keep saying, as long as we win it all I don't care if we suck forever, and that's something I can't agree with.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm viewing it from knowing that we'd win one championship (or two) at the cost of not being able to win it for a very long time after. So, in this scenario, the future is known and in that situation, no, a championship would not give me as much pleasure as a decade of possibly winning a championship.

Now, obviously, we don't know the future. So if we can add a Durant, win a ring or two and then rebuild in fairly short order, sure I'd be all for it. And the championship would mean a lot to me. But posters keep saying, as long as we win it all I don't care if we suck forever, and that's something I can't agree with.

Fair enough I just don’t get it. Give me a team that wins a title once in decade, then a team who had a legit chance and fell short for ten years. It’s really no competition for me. The only goal is a title.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Fair enough I just don’t get it. Give me a team that wins a title once in decade, then a team who had a legit chance and fell short for ten years. It’s really no competition for me. The only goal is a title.

I'm actually with you on this especially since if you win it all once a decade you almost definitely had several other years there where you were competitive but came up short.

If my life was ending and I was looking backwards, I'd definitely choose the championship over all the years we had a chance and came up short. But I wouldn't knowingly sell the future of this team for a championship.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm actually with you on this especially since if you win it all once a decade you almost definitely had several other years there where you were competitive but came up short.

If my life was ending and I was looking backwards, I'd definitely choose the championship over all the years we had a chance and came up short. But I wouldn't knowingly sell the future of this team for a championship.

OK. I gotcha. Although, I think many fans felt the D-Backs were selling out the near term future with all the money there were spending. I know I did. I thought holy crap, this team is going to have a fire sale someday and we are going to suck for a along time. Here we are.

 

[GatorAZ]

Without the ability to reroute assets from an Ayton trade to Brooklyn we’re now out on KD. He will stay in Brooklyn unless he widens his wish list of teams. Ugh need to change my avi.

 

[Mainstreet]

Without the ability to reroute assets from an Ayton trade to Brooklyn we’re now out on KD. He will stay in Brooklyn unless he widens his wish list of teams. Ugh need to change my avi.

I'd wait for a little while. Some magic could still be brewing.

 

[Covert Rain]

Without the ability to reroute assets from an Ayton trade to Brooklyn we’re now out on KD. He will stay in Brooklyn unless he widens his wish list of teams. Ugh need to change my avi.

I think it would have increased our chances by getting other assets but we are not out If the Nets really do want to move him. It likely now will require a 3 way trade.

 

[Phrazbit]

Without the ability to reroute assets from an Ayton trade to Brooklyn we’re now out on KD. He will stay in Brooklyn unless he widens his wish list of teams. Ugh need to change my avi.

I disagree.

I fully expect him to make it ugly if they don't move him before training camp.

They're going to regret not having already traded him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well there isn't just a "win it all" side or "be a fun team" side. I want to win it all but more than anything, I want to be able to believe that my team has a chance to win it all or a plan in progress that will give them a chance to win it all in the not too distant future. Take that away, and all of the sudden that title soon starts to mean less and less as the years go by.

I'm not alone in this and if you don't believe me, ask a Knicks fan or a Portland fan or a Wizards (Bullets) fan or 76er fan or a Houston fan or Bulls fan or even a Detroit fan if their last championship helps them enjoy the years of losing they've had since then.

I shed not a tear for them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm viewing it from knowing that we'd win one championship (or two) at the cost of not being able to win it for a very long time after. So, in this scenario, the future is known and in that situation, no, a championship would not give me as much pleasure as a decade of possibly winning a championship.

Now, obviously, we don't know the future. So if we can add a Durant, win a ring or two and then rebuild in fairly short order, sure I'd be all for it even if we didn't actually win another championship in the next decade or two. And the championship would mean a lot to me. But posters keep saying, as long as we win it all I don't care if we suck forever, and that's something I can't agree with.

A) we likely won’t “suck forever.”
B) we haven’t won a championship for over 50 years. I’d trade that for a championship.