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It's way too simplistic to look at Josh Byrnes and say "he sucks and he's the problem". Has he done everything right? No but I understand the moves he made. Lets look at the big ones.
Chris Young for Javy Vasquez - even with Young slumpng this was a brilliant trade. Even though 82 will cringe as he reads this he is still one of the "core" players on this team. Plays great D in the 3rd most important defensive position and I belive if he is not moved up and down the lineup he will be a steady guy at the plate too. Great move.
Signing Eric Byrnes for 3 years 30 million - I don't blame Josh Byrnes for this move as much as I do you guys (or the fanbase in general). He is a young first time GM and I chock this one up to learning. I remember during 2006 when the "fans" were frothing over Eric and how great he is. Lets face it. The FO has to keep in mind what the fans want when buidling this team. And every man woman and grandma was inlove with Eric at the time. If you look at the type of player EB is he doesn't fit the protype of what J. Byrnes wants out of a outfielder. So likely with an edict from the execs he handed over this contract. Probably the biggest mistake over his tenure for two big reason...
Quentin for Cris Carter (packaged for Haren) - Ok. This one hurts. But if you can say you saw this coming the way it did you are kidding yourself. At the time Jackson and Quentin were comprable prospects but Quentin was more injury prone, mentally softer, and playing a positon we had in surplus. And most importantly is the last point. If Byrnes hadn't signed E. Byrnes then this would have never happened. And I believe firmly he felt both internal and external pressure to do that. You can say "well the buck stops with him" which is true but if this was a fanbase that turned out win or lose he could make only baseball decisions. But I digress. No one knew what we had in Quentin and at the time it made sense if E. Byrnes was going to be on the team for 3 years.
Carter, Gonzalez, and young pitcher for Haren - Slam dunk. At this point with Webbys shoulder issues I would rather have Haren. This trade set the franchise up for years. Not to mention the cheap extension he signed him too.
Used up parts and Micah Owings for Adam Dunn - To this day I still love this deal. They had to be aggressive and this was a good move. Man Ram was just a better one. I still wish they had signed Dunn to a minimal 3 year deal.
Valverde for Qualls, Burke and young arm - This trade looked poor last year when all these guys sucked and Valverde pitched well. But it looks like we got rid of Grande only a year early as he has fallen apart (cough cough juice) and Qualls is now the closer. So we can call this one a wash.
He drafted Scherzer, Parker, and Schlereth. Those are the arms of the future. He signed Doug Davis who has been underatted for us. He brought RJ back and got something out of him. Garland looks like another coup. He even admitted when he messed up and got Tony Clark back.
The Eric Byrnes money 2 years ago should have gone to Hudson and I would have kept Dunn. And obviously knowing what I know now I would have gotten Carter without losing Quentin. IIRC Melvin was never his guy so thats not his fault either and had to live with after 2007.
But Byrnes is a good GM and even the best like Beane and Epstien have made their mistakes - especially in their youth. I say this because I have read many posters who want to do away with Byrnes. I want to know why. To me he has made his mistakes but with time and more of a bank roll I think he is going to be a future star.
Lets see what happens with Hinch before we decide to start a mutiny. THAT will be the move that defines his tenure with the Dbacks.
IMO he is STILL the best thing the organization has going for it. Except for Upton.
Chris Young for Javy Vasquez - even with Young slumpng this was a brilliant trade. Even though 82 will cringe as he reads this he is still one of the "core" players on this team. Plays great D in the 3rd most important defensive position and I belive if he is not moved up and down the lineup he will be a steady guy at the plate too. Great move.
Signing Eric Byrnes for 3 years 30 million - I don't blame Josh Byrnes for this move as much as I do you guys (or the fanbase in general). He is a young first time GM and I chock this one up to learning. I remember during 2006 when the "fans" were frothing over Eric and how great he is. Lets face it. The FO has to keep in mind what the fans want when buidling this team. And every man woman and grandma was inlove with Eric at the time. If you look at the type of player EB is he doesn't fit the protype of what J. Byrnes wants out of a outfielder. So likely with an edict from the execs he handed over this contract. Probably the biggest mistake over his tenure for two big reason...
Quentin for Cris Carter (packaged for Haren) - Ok. This one hurts. But if you can say you saw this coming the way it did you are kidding yourself. At the time Jackson and Quentin were comprable prospects but Quentin was more injury prone, mentally softer, and playing a positon we had in surplus. And most importantly is the last point. If Byrnes hadn't signed E. Byrnes then this would have never happened. And I believe firmly he felt both internal and external pressure to do that. You can say "well the buck stops with him" which is true but if this was a fanbase that turned out win or lose he could make only baseball decisions. But I digress. No one knew what we had in Quentin and at the time it made sense if E. Byrnes was going to be on the team for 3 years.
Carter, Gonzalez, and young pitcher for Haren - Slam dunk. At this point with Webbys shoulder issues I would rather have Haren. This trade set the franchise up for years. Not to mention the cheap extension he signed him too.
Used up parts and Micah Owings for Adam Dunn - To this day I still love this deal. They had to be aggressive and this was a good move. Man Ram was just a better one. I still wish they had signed Dunn to a minimal 3 year deal.
Valverde for Qualls, Burke and young arm - This trade looked poor last year when all these guys sucked and Valverde pitched well. But it looks like we got rid of Grande only a year early as he has fallen apart (cough cough juice) and Qualls is now the closer. So we can call this one a wash.
He drafted Scherzer, Parker, and Schlereth. Those are the arms of the future. He signed Doug Davis who has been underatted for us. He brought RJ back and got something out of him. Garland looks like another coup. He even admitted when he messed up and got Tony Clark back.
The Eric Byrnes money 2 years ago should have gone to Hudson and I would have kept Dunn. And obviously knowing what I know now I would have gotten Carter without losing Quentin. IIRC Melvin was never his guy so thats not his fault either and had to live with after 2007.
But Byrnes is a good GM and even the best like Beane and Epstien have made their mistakes - especially in their youth. I say this because I have read many posters who want to do away with Byrnes. I want to know why. To me he has made his mistakes but with time and more of a bank roll I think he is going to be a future star.
Lets see what happens with Hinch before we decide to start a mutiny. THAT will be the move that defines his tenure with the Dbacks.
IMO he is STILL the best thing the organization has going for it. Except for Upton.
