The issue with Bettcher

[WindCardinal]

I’ve been pretty disappointed with the blitzes so far. Also seems like they’re doing it much less

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I am concerned about the assembly of players who are "unusual" for their position if the Front Office chooses to fire Arians. It's a group with an "unusual" combination of size and skills. But for now, the offense and special teams are the problem

 

[Jetstream Green]

we have "great talent" on D? We have a bunch of average Joe's on the D-Line... at this point Chandler Jones is the only LBer we have making any impact and in the secondary, PP is pretty much on an island with HB not just looking like a shell of himself, but a shell of a football player period.

That's TWO impact makers out of ELEVEN on D. Jury is still out on Riddick, next to him isn't the Dansby of old... but more like an old Dansby (which pains me as much as anyone here to say considering he was my favorite player on D in both his stints) and the less said about the rest of the secondary, the better. Hell, I'll even give an inch and put Branch in difference makers. That's 3/11 players on D who make an impact.

All that said, the blitz designs that Bettcher comes up with a Dave McGuiness bad.

I am judging as a whole which feeds off of being versatile (with a ace like Peterson who for me qualifies like three extra players on the field by what he can provide in coverage), and see more raw talent to be versatile opposed to a 'jack of all trades' journey man player making the guy capable, which sometimes though gets so spread in assignments by Bettcher that the talent is not often able to be nurtured. Guys like Bucannon who is playing out of position, and then guys like Reddick who now is going to be flipped back to more of a natural position for him. The NFL has a huge learning curve where it is hard enough to adapt but what does this team do... they take developmental players from their point of view and then beyond all logic throw them in a new position to top things off lol

 

[pmacLean]

A decent QB would have ended up with 3-4 TD's. Hoyer missed multiple wide-open receivers.

and when he did connect, some idiot had committed a penalty that, had they just let it go, would in NO WAY have affected the crucial play in question. they should address that, and if they do, worry very much about the rematch with those guys....

 

[pmacLean]

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And Bethel isn't the real problem. Somehow it seems we give up a big play when we play zone, always. There are some when we play man to man but if we play zone, the opponent will have a first down, it's automatic.

Bettcher needs to adjust more and to read the opponent better, he doesn't do that well, we saw it against Carolina we saw it last year, we see it this year. The problem is, he isn't new anymore he should get better, not worse.
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I have NEVER seen our zone work correctly... I have seen us give up lots of yardage when we switch to it..

I think the answer is, Bettcher can always blame the players for not doing zone correctly (or he simply has no guts) but if he says man-on-man, he will get the flak for putting them in un-doable situations ...

when the Cards D was good (Horton, Bowles) it NEVER (or rarely) played 'safe' saggy zone (better known as prevent, for reasons that escape me, because I have never seen it prevent a competent O from doing whatever they want).... horton/bowles had Ds that went for the throat right up until the game ended... they had confidence in their players and their philosophy... Bettcher has neither ....

and he NEVER seems to adjust ... that is salient feature of the Cards, O and D, they NEVER adjust to what the other side starts doing after the 1/2.

We really need all new coaches, that is the only thing that will change things around here.

 

[pmacLean]

IMO, it all comes down to CP. When he plays well, we look okay. I do wonder if has lost his fast ball.

are you remotely serious ? BA knew he had a pocket passer (and give him time and he is a very, very good pocket passer) and then does NOTHING to make sure he stays erect with enough time to implement BAs grandiose 'biscuit' plays (or any other plays for that matter).

CP is not the problem (other than if you want him to be good, you better protect him) .... BA is the problem thinking he can implement his non-sense on the cheap... it's why he got ran out of Pitt... as we are all starting to see... I wish he had stayed in Pitt, I hate rapelisberger so much, because by now, BA would have got him killed...

 

[iLLmatiC]

are you remotely serious ? BA knew he had a pocket passer (and give him time and he is a very, very good pocket passer) and then does NOTHING to make sure he stays erect with enough time to implement BAs grandiose 'biscuit' plays (or any other plays for that matter).

CP is not the problem (other than if you want him to be good, you better protect him) .... BA is the problem thinking he can implement his non-sense on the cheap... it's why he got ran out of Pitt... as we are all starting to see... I wish he had stayed in Pitt, I hate rapelisberger so much, because by now, BA would have got him killed...

Ultimately keim is responsible for bringing in the talent at o line. I'd say keim has failed ba in bringing in any talent worth a damn.

 

[pmacLean]

Ultimately keim is responsible for bringing in the talent at o line. I'd say keim has failed ba in bringing in any talent worth a damn.

I can agree with you up to a point.... that point being where BA says 'I been hoodwinked' they brought me crap for an O-line.... at that point you do 1 of 2 things
1. Nothing.... just pretend you have a good o-line and plan and call as if you do
2. Adjust your plays and calling to negate as much as possible (i know, you can negate that totally) the effect of a crap o-line.... you will probably still get your QB killed and still lose a ton of games but at least you are trying... BA is just going with door number 1 .....

 

[Mitch]

Ultimately keim is responsible for bringing in the talent at o line. I'd say keim has failed ba in bringing in any talent worth a damn.

When so many of Keim's acquisitions have failed, it becomes clear that it's the coaching that's most at fault.

Keim has been diligent in addressing the needs the OL. But, let's face it, playing OL in BA's system is a pressure cooker and there are few OL in the NFL who can win their one-on-one blocks 98% of the time. The DTs and DEs today are too athletic and explosive.

 

[Garthshort]

pmacLean, I guess I'm being remotely serious. I said that if CP plays well we'll do okay/win. If you THINK about CP playing well, would you think that means the OL was playing well? Of course I'm assuming you're being remotely serious.

 

[iLLmatiC]

When so many of Keim's acquisitions have failed, it becomes clear that it's the coaching that's most at fault.

Keim has been diligent in addressing the needs the OL. But, let's face it, playing OL in BA's system is a pressure cooker and there are few OL in the NFL who can win their one-on-one blocks 98% of the time. The DTs and DEs today are too athletic and explosive.

Have we had any OL that Keim has drafted while BA has been coach that has moved on from Arizona to be successful?

 

[WildBB]

are you remotely serious ? BA knew he had a pocket passer (and give him time and he is a very, very good pocket passer) and then does NOTHING to make sure he stays erect with enough time to implement BAs grandiose 'biscuit' plays (or any other plays for that matter).

CP is not the problem (other than if you want him to be good, you better protect him) .... BA is the problem thinking he can implement his non-sense on the cheap... it's why he got ran out of Pitt... as we are all starting to see... I wish he had stayed in Pitt, I hate rapelisberger so much, because by now, BA would have got him killed...

Yes, Palmer isn't the problem. Yes they should have brought in a PROVEN VET IN FA. It should have been the #1 priority this off season. They had depth but not the overall starting talent.

 

[wit3card]

When so many of Keim's acquisitions have failed, it becomes clear that it's the coaching that's most at fault.

Keim has been diligent in addressing the needs the OL. But, let's face it, playing OL in BA's system is a pressure cooker and there are few OL in the NFL who can win their one-on-one blocks 98% of the time. The DTs and DEs today are too athletic and explosive.

From my pov, BA doesn't even want to train OL players correctly, they even stated it the last 2 offseasons, Massie called out our Team. Gosh, if you don't learn the rookie OL players the fundamentals you will destroy them. They will lose theire faith in what they can do and that starts to creep up every time they get beaten. And like you said even the best get beaten atleast 1-2 times every 100 snaps and someone that hasn't the fundamentals down, doesn't get good coaching, can be strong and mentally fit as he will, after 2 sacks he will start to do to much or try to hold and his downfall starts till the end of the game. And yes he will have some good games and some really bad ones. But I from what I whitnessed in my time back than was, that if one of your lineman gets beaten up on fundamentals and mentally, he will never get the curve. That is why everyone wants a Team for his "son" that at least isn't a bottom feeder, because rarely out of a bottom feeder a great player emerges. And that is for pop warner up to college. If your team is really bad if you get beaten up every game, even the best player gets worse.

 

[JeffGollin]

When your team ain't winning...gotta blame somebody.

 

[pmacLean]

pmacLean, I guess I'm being remotely serious. I said that if CP plays well we'll do okay/win. If you THINK about CP playing well, would you think that means the OL was playing well? Of course I'm assuming you're being remotely serious.

That is pretty much what I said. If CP is to play BAs plan, then the OL MUST play well. You could see Sunday, that given time, CP is very effective, but he seems only effective when the OL is playing well.. IN THE GAME PLAN that BA uses. I maintain, that bad as it is, we'd get more production out of Palmer with a completely different game plan. This thing here, is me, not you..

 

[Cardiac]

I need a link to the quote that BA doesn't believe in coaching the Oline and teaching them fundamentals.