The Legend of Josh McCown`

[green machine]

it started against Minny last year, needs to continue to grow here. Come on Cards!!!

 

[Pariah]

true dat

 

[azdad1978]

 

[azdad1978]

Damn it Josh!!! Almost picked off

 

[Stout]

Josh's 'legend'? I dunno...but his philosophy seems to be play just minimally good enough to get another start but blow chunks the rest of the time.

 

[Dback Jon]

 

[CaptTurbo]

The stat lovers and McCown lovers will have a field day. Look how great he did.

Yup played against a defense that is basically a practice squad and couldnt do anything when it counted. I mean an 8 man rush and takes a sack when you know 2 guys are standing out there uncovered.

Is it because he doesnt know where they are? ok replace him with someone smarter.

 

[Russ Smith]

The stat lovers and McCown lovers will have a field day. Look how great he did.

Yup played against a defense that is basically a practice squad and couldnt do anything when it counted. I mean an 8 man rush and takes a sack when you know 2 guys are standing out there uncovered.

Is it because he doesnt know where they are? ok replace him with someone smarter.

i'd be more diplomatic but I totally agree, a good QB would have had 300+ plus yards and 4-5 TD's they have no pass rush, and undermanned secondary and backup LB's out there and Josh is throwing balls away if the first option isn't open. They only got pressure by all out blitzing, there HAD to be guys running free.

he just doesn't see the field, King wins this game easily, hell I think Jake wins this game easily.

 

[CaptTurbo]

i'd be more diplomatic but I totally agree, a good QB would have had 300+ plus yards and 4-5 TD's they have no pass rush, and undermanned secondary and backup LB's out there and Josh is throwing balls away if the first option isn't open. They only got pressure by all out blitzing, there HAD to be guys running free.

he just doesn't see the field, King wins this game easily, hell I think Jake wins this game easily.

Thank you Russ. I thought I was alone in not having the McCown cooties.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

no pocket presence and no field awareness. all those tangibles, big arm, great speed, blonde hair, don't mean squat when you possess a feeble mind.

 

[Tangodnzr]

no pocket presence and no field awareness. all those tangibles, big arm, great speed, blonde hair, don't mean squat when you possess a feeble mind.

I think the only thing you may have got right there would be in your expertise on what constitutes a feeble mind.

 

[Redsz]

McCown wasn't the reason we lost this game. To put all the blame on him isn't reasonable. There were places where we should of won this game. But it didn't work out. I'm as pissed as anyone.

To say McCown has a feeble mind is pure BS. I have met people who are great football players but aren't the brightest. You can question McCown's football intelligence, but to say that he is out right stupid is way off base.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Josh has had the ball in his hands in four games in the fourth quarter with us either tied, or down a touchdown or less - We have come away with ZERO POINTS IN ALL INSTANCES - Legend my ass. A good QB, a good LEADER finds a way to at least scratch out a win - or good lord at least a field goal in ONE OF THOSE FOUR GAMES.

Four winnbale games in the fourth quarter and Josh never has made the big play in any of them - that is the difference between a leader and a guy. Handling pressure - he couldn't hack it at the Div 1A level and he has shown this season so far that he sure as hell can't hack it here.

On a more positive note:

Fitz is an absolute stud though - I don't see how anyone can really argue he was a bad pick.

 

[Bellingham Mike]

I`d say the def. turned this winnable game into a loss not McCown.

 

[Tangodnzr]

McCown wasn't the reason we lost this game. To put all the blame on him isn't reasonable. There were places where we should of won this game. But it didn't work out. I'm as pissed as anyone.

To say McCown has a feeble mind is pure BS. I have met people who are great football players but aren't the brightest. You can question McCown's football intelligence, but to say that he is out right stupid is way off base.

Well said !!!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I`d say the def. turned this winnable game into a loss not McCown.

The QB is the eader of the team - ONCE IN FOUR GAMES - HE NEEDS TO STEP UP IN PRESSURE SITUTAIONS - PERIOD.

The D blew this game - but Josh had the ball after the first TD and what doe she do on 3rd and 9 - throws a dump off to Hambrick four yards short of the first down marker. Then after the D lets us another score - we get the ball at the 40 - all we need is 25 yards - we pick up 9 on first down and then after wasting 15 seconds - Josh takes AHORRIBLE sack on 2nd down - and then almost throws a pick on third down. We had 2nd and 1 at the 50 - and what happened ? We went backwards when the pressure built and then almost got picked.

What happend after the Rams went up 17-10 - Josh got the ball back three times in that fourth quarter and we never even crossed midfield.

What happend after we got back within 17-12 against the Pats and the defense held? Josh comes in - actually gets time and throws into triple coverage getting picked off in the process.

What happens when the defense GIVES him the ball against the Falcons time after time after time again down by 6-0 in the fourth? Josh fumbles the ball inside the 20 twice.

These aren't the makings of a leader - these games were all there for the taking and if we had someone who could actually make a big play at QB when it matters most, when the chips are down - maybe we aren't 1-4 and staring at another losing season.

When the chips are down, McCown has had urine running down his leg. Four straight games - we have a shot to win - in everyone of those drives - we have come away with ZERO POINTS - not even a field goal! THat is not leadership.

So yes - the D gave the game away today, but our QB was still given the opportunity to bail them out for once - you know like they have for him all season - and for the fourth time in four game s- in a close game either tied or down in the fourth, Josh came up completely empty.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I`d say the def. turned this winnable game into a loss not McCown.

Exactamundo !!!!

 

[Zeno]

I am not one to give up quickly on a young player especially when I think this team is so young and can grow together but...I am sick and tired of an inefficient offense, I am sick of poor passes, I am sick of poor decisions and I'd really love for once to see our WRs get some significant yards after catch.

I have seen enough of McCown I have zero confidence in him...he just doesn't have that "IT" that a lot of QBs in this league have. I am now ready to see what Shaun King has to offer and if he can't get it done after 4 or 5 games then we can turn to Navarre.

 

[CaptTurbo]

then we can turn to Navarre.

YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!! Navarre is our man!!

 

[40yearfan]

28 points should have been enough to win this game. This loss is placed solely on the defense and special teams because special teams allowed a TD on a punt return. When you have a 12 point lead with a little over 5 minutes left in the 4th. quarter, it is up to the defense to finish it off and win the game for you. It didn't happen.

 

[conraddobler]

If you want a scape goat for this loss it isn't McCown.

I wished he'd have gotten a first down on the last drive too but then again I wish a lot of things had turned out different in that game.

I wish we didn't suffer yet another special teams breakdown.

I wish the defense didn't pick the 4th quarter to turn into swiss cheese. I wish Docket didn't get that spearing the QB call.

yada yada yada.

Josh did well today, well enough to win. People don't like him and that's fine but to twist this game into his fault is just beyond stretching it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If you want a scape goat for this loss it isn't McCown.

I wished he'd have gotten a first down on the last drive too but then again I wish a lot of things had turned out different in that game.

I wish we didn't suffer yet another special teams breakdown.

I wish the defense didn't pick the 4th quarter to turn into swiss cheese. I wish Docket didn't get that spearing the QB call.

yada yada yada.

Josh did well today, well enough to win. People don't like him and that's fine but to twist this game into his fault is just beyond stretching it.

Conrad - I don't think anyone's saying Josh weas the reason we lost today - but doesn't it make you scratch your head a little that in four games with the opportunity to win - that Josh hasn't made one play at crunch time? Sometimes a QB needs to overcome adversity and we haven't seen that once with Josh and that is truly distressing. For once his D wasn't good enough even though they gave him all the support he needed in the first four games - why couldn't he ultimately pick up the slack - again? It's a disturbing trend.

But - Shawn King ain't gonna make much of a difference - we may win a couple more games - but I can't even say that is a certainty. Did he play well enough to win today - yeah - putting 28 points on the board should get the job done - but when it doesn't it's the QB's job to do more - once again - Josh failed in that area.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Its amazing how firmly entrenched in denial you seem to be Cheesy.
Oh he who is usually so quick to accuse others of such.

 

[conraddobler]

There were a few times when looking at the kid that I thought his mannerisims were strange.

He has one very public comeback to his credit when it really mattered to him so he is capable of it.

My only response to your observations is that yes you might be right or he got the deer in the headlights syndrome just like everyone else did.

Really the whole defense just collapsed in a here we go again way and to single the dude out this early in his career is just jumping the gun IMO.

I simply don't know about the guy yet. I see the same things you do but maybe because I am older, I'm 38, I am more inclined to believe it takes different people different times to mature.

Josh is still a kid, the announcer were mentioning him glowingly all game and pointed out several times how he was reading blitzes better and throwing to where the defender had vacated.

I think he is getting more knowlegeable every game but our whole team isn't some offensive masterpiece he is ruining. The problems are different people on different plays.

What you see as wrong with him I understand, I really do and if he fails it will be for the reasons you dislike him. It will be more of a weird intangible thing that he will lack that will do him in.

Honestly it's a catch 22, I don't think you can start King because this year happens to be Josh's audition for the job. You really don't want to let Josh get benched for this now start King let Josh go and find out that he did have what it takes and take someone else to the Superbowl.

You simply have to ride him out and make that call at the end of the year that is all I am saying.

 

[Redsz]

The QB can be a leader. But I think it depends on the team. Recently there have been QB's that have been sucessful without being the straight out leader of a team. Trent Difler with the Ravens and Brad Johnson with the Bucs also come to mind. They didn't have to take the load soley on their shoulders.

However, if your only source of leadership is coming from the QB. Then you are putting yourself in a potentially bad situation. Recent examples of this are Peyton Manning's inability to get to the 'big game' and Green Bays recent struggles (I wonder how bad the Pack will be when Favre retires). When the only 'head' of your team is cut off like with the Colts in Manning and Favre with Green Bay... Big problems are coming your way.

One reason I think the Patriots have been so sucessful is because they have leaders on both sides of the ball. Tom Brady is great. But It doesn't ALL fall on him to carry that team. If he struggles, they can turn to other people because the Patriots regard them selves as a TEAM. In which everyone is responsible for performance. Tom Brady is the conductor, not the magician (sp?). And I think that's what I think Green is trying to achieve with McCown.

Considering his age and experince. Maybe people are expecting too much with Josh in regards to leadership... Considering that he is still trying to prove that he is a good enough player himself to be in the NFL.