The MLB trade deadline thread (trades are already happening)

[DWKB]

Who are those teams?

Royals just went to back-to-back WS. KC is as small a market as one gets. This is the ultimate goal for a team the DBacks market size. Find lightning in a bottle for a year or two, break it all apart and start over.

CLE went to the WS last year with a small market payroll as well.

 

[overseascardfan]

Royals just went to back-to-back WS. KC is as small a market as one gets. This is the ultimate goal for a team the DBacks market size. Find lightning in a bottle for a year or two, break it all apart and start over.

CLE went to the WS last year with a small market payroll as well.

Again nailing draft picks is the key (that and selling high on guys you know you can't afford long term and stockpiling the farm), both KC & CLE teams were mostly home grown guys. That is the only way ARZ competes long term. We bought our only title 16 years ago and nearly bankrupted the team, definitely can't buy a championship now with the salaries guys are making.

 

[Matt L]

Who are those teams?

Kansas City
Cleveland
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Milwaukee
Pittsburgh

All of these teams have similar payrolls. Other than Milwaukee, they have all been to the playoffs more recently than the Dbacks.

 

[Ronin]

Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick

#Padres GM A.J. Preller is asking for teams' "top, top prospects'' in talks for Brad Hand, says an evaluator with a club that's inquired.

 

[Bert]

Just read D'backs are interested in JD Martinez.

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There were talking about this a lot on the radio yesterday.

If the cost is really our 6th and 12th prospects, I dont understand why this hasn't already happened. This guy is KILLING left handed pitchers.

 

[Dude]

Royals just went to back-to-back WS. KC is as small a market as one gets. This is the ultimate goal for a team the DBacks market size. Find lightning in a bottle for a year or two, break it all apart and start over.

CLE went to the WS last year with a small market payroll as well.

That's not competing. That's getting lucky and going back to stinking it up. You can't count on that. That's why we need a cap and better revenue sharing.

 

[DWKB]

That's not competing. That's getting lucky and going back to stinking it up. You can't count on that. That's why we need a cap and revenue sharing.

Baseball is the most egalitarian major sport around if you look at Championships won. It's the only one without a salary cap (there is some revenue sharing).

Also, the strategy to accomplish such a feat requires much more skill than luck.


"Luck is the residue of design" --Branch Rickey

 

[Dude]

Kansas City
Cleveland
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Milwaukee
Pittsburgh

All of these teams have similar payrolls. Other than Milwaukee, they have all been to the playoffs more recently than the Dbacks.

Kansas City 45 and 46. They have a ring they also are at lest in the top half of payroll. Great story but it's a one time thing every 25 years.
Cleveland 48 and 43 and how many titles in the last 25 years?
Oakland 42 and 51 and now many titles with money ball?
Tampa Bay 40 and 42. How many titles with bottom half low payroll?
Milwaukee 52 and 43. How many titles with a bottom half low payroll?
Pittsburgh 45 and 48. How many titles with a bottom half low payroll?

You can do better than we have but not much IMO. This year was looking great up until about two weeks ago. You might even get lucky and win one. But teams that are in it year in and year out have the money. Now money alone won't do it either but it sure helps.

Look at who pays what and what they do year in and year out and the titles they have and the teams that win and the teams that don't. Of course you have the buy a title team and dump the roster from time to time to.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/heres-every-mlb-teams-opening-day-payroll-for-2017/

http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings/_/group/overall

10 out of the bottom 16 teams are in the bottom half of team payroll. It's not the end all be all but it's crazy to think teams can win with any consistency without having the money to do so. I don't call that having a fair competitive balances.

Cleveland is at 132.8 Million we are at 112.8 Million. That's two really good every day players or another Greinke.

KC is at 152.7 Million. That's another Greinke and two really good every day players to what we have. I would love that team. They're spending 41 million more than us. That's over a third of all our payroll.

Up to date.
http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

 

[Matt L]

Kansas City 45 and 46. They have a ring they also are at lest in the top half of payroll. Great story but it's a one time thing every 25 years.
Cleveland 48 and 43 and how many titles in the last 25 years?
Oakland 42 and 51 and now many titles with money ball?
Tampa Bay 40 and 42. How many titles with bottom half low payroll?
Milwaukee 52 and 43. How many titles with a bottom half low payroll?
Pittsburgh 45 and 48. How many titles with a bottom half low payroll?

You can do better than we have but not much IMO. This year was looking great up until about two weeks ago. You might even get lucky and win one. But teams that are in it year in and year out have the money. Now money alone won't do it either but it sure helps.

Look at who pays what and what they do year in and year out and the titles they have and the teams that win and the teams that don't. Of course you have the buy a title team and dump the roster from time to time to.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/heres-every-mlb-teams-opening-day-payroll-for-2017/

http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings/_/group/overall

10 out of the bottom 16 teams are in the bottom half of team payroll. It's not the end all be all but it's crazy to think teams can win with any consistency without having the money to do so. I don't call that having a fair competitive balances.

Cleveland is at 132.8 Million we are at 112.8 Million. That's two really good every day players or another Greinke.

KC is at 152.7 Million. That's another Greinke and two really good every day players to what we have. I would love that team. They're spending 41 million more than us. That's over a third of all our payroll.

Up to date.
http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

All of these teams (except Milwaukee) have been more competitive than the Diamondbacks in recent years, whether they've won a championship or not.

The Dodgers have had the highest payroll the past few years and they have not won a championship. The Yankees have pretty much been hamstrung by the ridiculous contracts they gave to A-Rod, Mark Texeira and CC Sabathia since their last World Series run. In some cases the teams being able to pay for free agency is more of a curse. The Angels won the world series in 2002 and have the best player in baseball. They also can't field a competitive team because they gave ridiculous money to Pujols and Hamilton a couple winters ago. The Tigers have spent ridiculous money but haven't won a world series.

 

[DWKB]

Since the start of the Super Bowl:

102 teams have played, 51 champions:

top 10 teams in appearances make up 63% of total SB appearances, 78% of total SB Champions

NBA in that time:

top 10 teams in appearances make up 73% of total NBA Finals appearances, 82% of NBA Champions

MLB in that time (note, no 1994 or 2017):

top 10 teams in appearances make up 65% of total WS appearances, 63% of WS Champions

Parity is an illusion in professional sports, salary cap or no cap.

 

[overseascardfan]

There were talking about this a lot on the radio yesterday.

If the cost is really our 6th and 12th prospects, I dont understand why this hasn't already happened. This guy is KILLING left handed pitchers.

Maybe DET waiting for last minute offers as team get more desperate as deadline approaches.

 

[Dude]

All of these teams (except Milwaukee) have been more competitive than the Diamondbacks in recent years, whether they've won a championship or not..

I said teams can do better than we have. Still they don't win titles nor are they in the playoff hunt much. You need at worst a top half payroll to do that.

The Dodgers have had the highest payroll the past few years and they have not won a championship. The Yankees have pretty much been hamstrung by the ridiculous contracts they gave to A-Rod, Mark Texeira and CC Sabathia since their last World Series run. In some cases the teams being able to pay for free agency is more of a curse.

I said money isn't the end all be all but it gives you a BIG leg up.

The Angels won the world series in 2002 and have the best player in baseball. They also can't field a competitive team because they gave ridiculous money to Pujols and Hamilton a couple winters ago. The Tigers have spent ridiculous money but haven't won a world series.

Read what I said above. Now name a team with a bottom half payroll that wins. You skipped right over the 41 million KC spent we didn't and they are a close team that has won. Teams have bought a tittle and playoff runs. Lots of them. Very few have won anything on any consistent basis with a bottom half payroll and we are close to the bottom of that. We started the season 26th out of 30. We do almost every year. Name a team like that that wins consistently.

Plus it goes to what started this debate. At lest those teams that have the money and players can make moves we can't right now to make this a good year. A cap and better revenue sharing would at worst help with that. How can anyone argue that. Well you did I guess.

 

[DWKB]

Plus it goes to what started this debate. At lest those teams that have the money and players can make moves we can't right now to make this a good year. A cap and better revenue sharing would at worst help with that. How can anyone argue that. Well you did I guess.

A better owner that invests in his team might be what you're really looking for.

 

[Dude]

Since the start of the Super Bowl:

102 teams have played, 51 champions:

top 10 teams in appearances make up 63% of total SB appearances, 78% of total SB Champions

NBA in that time:

top 10 teams in appearances make up 73% of total NBA Finals appearances, 82% of NBA Champions

MLB in that time (note, no 1994 or 2017):

top 10 teams in appearances make up 65% of total WS appearances, 63% of WS Champions

Parity is an illusion in professional sports, salary cap or no cap.

This would help if it was done only over a cap with balanced revenue sharing time frame. Then you have to take out teams like the Clippers of old and our Cardinals before JR took over they weren't trying to win.

Give organizations a level playing filed and it gives organizations that want to win the same shot as the rest. What they do with it can't be controlled. But it's there for them to make work the same as everyone else. Without it they don't have the same shot. Good organizations will make more with less but you can't win much with out a level playing filed but that miracle year.

 

[Dude]

A better owner that invests in his team might be what you're really looking for.

I agree with that. I was just saying that to you in another post. It gives them a shot but they have to take it and make it work.

 

[DWKB]

This would help if it was done only over a cap with balanced revenue sharing time frame. Then you have to take out teams like the Clippers of old and our Cardinals before JR took over they weren't trying to win.

Pick a time frame and we'll look. I am sure baseball will look like the most balanced league in any reasonable period.

Give organizations a level playing filed and it gives organizations that want to win the same shot as the rest. What they do with it can't be controlled. But it's there for them to make work the same as everyone else. Without it they don't have the same shot. Good organizations will make more with less but you can't win much with out a level playing filed but that miracle year.

If you know anything about NFL finances you know that a salary cap on labor costs does not even the field. Money will be earned and spent in other places to assist in winning one way or another. Why focus specifically on harming labor?

 

[AZ Native]

A better owner that invests in his team might be what you're really looking for.

I do believe the teams with the most SBs have strong ownership, which helps overcome the salary cap.

 

[WildBB]

The MLB players union is the strongest in sports. They're the one's keeping the status quo as far as the cap. Yankees might have the biggest influence in all sports as well.

 

[Ronin]

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #Nationals among teams in mix for #Tigers' J. Wilson. Won't move Robles, Fedde, Soto. #RedSox, #Dodgers, #Astros, others also in.9:00 AM · Jul 20, 2017

 

[Ronin]

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal

Sources: #Mariners talking to #Marlins about David Phelps, as @Feinsand reported. To this point, no match. MIA not in love with SEA system.

 

[Ronin]

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan

Source: David Phelps to Seattle is at the finish line. Trade is imminent.

 

[Ronin]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi

Sources: #Astros, #Athletics talks on Sonny Gray are heating up. @MLBNetwork @MLB

 

[Ronin]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi

Sources: While #Astros are in talks with #Athletics on Sonny Gray, they remain interested in Justin Verlander/Justin Wilson deal w/ Detroit.

 

[Ronin]

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan

Sources: Mariners expected to send four prospects to Marlins for David Phelps.

 

[Ronin]

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi

On #Tigers/#Astros talks, important context: Verlander would need to approve trade, and Detroit likely would have to include cash. @MLB