The NBA is broken.

[AzStevenCal]

But the other thing not counted is the long rebounds. Much better chance of getting an offensive rebound from a 3.

True but I'm not sure that's as true for corner 3's. I haven't done any research but it seems to me that most of the deep offensive rebounds occur on shots above the extended free throw line.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Just eliminate the 3 point line entirely

The whole idea that a basket is worth more just because it is further away is whacked

It was a long shot idea intended to help fix the game without throwing a lot of money into the fix. The real fix needed to be expanding the court and raising the hoop but the court expansion was always deemed to be too impractical.

 

[Hoop Head]

It was a long shot idea intended to help fix the game without throwing a lot of money into the fix. The real fix needed to be expanding the court and raising the hoop but the court expansion was always deemed to be too impractical.

Court expansion now would be too costly in terms of adjusting arenas as well as sacrificing high dollar seating. Unfortunately they have the "preservation of the game" argument now also since they allowed something to go unaddressed for too long.

It feels like yesterday the NBA was celebrating 50 years and now we're almost at 80. Even for the Suns, traded for Barkley and that was year 25 to now when they drafted Aaron was year 50 but Aaron has long since finished his rookie contract and we're closer to 60 than his rookie campaign.

 

[Dback Jon]

It was a long shot idea intended to help fix the game without throwing a lot of money into the fix. The real fix needed to be expanding the court and raising the hoop but the court expansion was always deemed to be too impractical.

Then they need to move it back and eliminate the corner three to make it an actual skill shot that rewards a minority of the players versus everyone chucking threes

 

[GatorAZ]

There is no question 90's and 2000's NBA was a much better product.

The reason we have superstars is they do something spectacular - shooting a 3 isn't that spectacular unless you are Curry and can dribble in a circle and hurl it in a half second and it miraculously will go in. He's about the only one that can do that though.

I’d say 94-04’ was an awful product we just didn’t know it. The NBA was in big trouble going into the 2000’s.

 

[Suns_fan69]

There is no question 90's and 2000's NBA was a much better product.

The reason we have superstars is they do something spectacular - shooting a 3 isn't that spectacular unless you are Curry and can dribble in a circle and hurl it in a half second and it miraculously will go in. He's about the only one that can do that though.

Hard disagree there. The iso heavy defensive slugfests of the late 90s and early 2000s were too far in the opposite direction. Peak basketball for me were late 80s to early 90s and then mid 2000s to mid 2010s.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Court expansion now would be too costly in terms of adjusting arenas as well as sacrificing high dollar seating. Unfortunately they have the "preservation of the game" argument now also since they allowed something to go unaddressed for too long.

It feels like yesterday the NBA was celebrating 50 years and now we're almost at 80. Even for the Suns, traded for Barkley and that was year 25 to now when they drafted Aaron was year 50 but Aaron has long since finished his rookie contract and we're closer to 60 than his rookie campaign.

I know, that's what I meant when I said it was deemed impractical. And these changes/costs would have had to filter down to every other level too.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I’d say 94-04’ was an awful product we just didn’t know it. The NBA was in big trouble going into the 2000’s.

It was, and IMO it was by far the worst era of basketball in my lifetime. Although I'm not sure that "we just didn't know it". It was talked about quite a bit at the time.

 

[GatorAZ]

It was, and IMO it was by far the worst era of basketball in my lifetime. Although I'm not sure that "we just didn't know it". It was talked about quite a bit at the time.

We knew MJ coming back saved the NBA from being hockey in the US. The CBA was also nuts. #1 picks could be unrestricted after 3-4 years. Shaq left Orlando, Webber Golden St and Duncan nearly left for Orlando in 2000. Crazy to think about someone like Wemby being able to hit FA in 2026.

 

[1tinsoldier]

i applaud the aggressive, progressive approach of this thread to improve the entertainment value of the game. Dealing with 3's is a good start but, unfortunately:

1. reducing the 3pt line to the back-court area would have the opposite effect because defenses could cover it more effectively.
2. we need the 3 late in games to keep the losing team in it. In fact, i'd add a 4pt shot from half-court so there's a remote chance before the buzzer sounds. A way of limiting 3's might be good, but not in the 4th.

the greatest thing about a football game is the variety of ways an opponent can come-back in the end

 

[Dback Jon]

i applaud the aggressive, progressive approach of this thread to improve the entertainment value of the game. Dealing with 3's is a good start but, unfortunately:

1. reducing the 3pt line to the back-court area would have the opposite effect because defenses could cover it more effectively.
2. we need the 3 late in games to keep the losing team in it. In fact, i'd add a 4pt shot from half-court so there's a remote chance before the buzzer sounds. A way of limiting 3's might be good, but not in the 4th.

the greatest thing about a football game is the variety of ways an opponent can come-back in the end

So in football term, a 50 yard pass play should be worth eight points a kick off return for a touchdown. Should be worth 10 points.

A 1 yard run should only be worth four points

 

[Hoop Head]

i applaud the aggressive, progressive approach of this thread to improve the entertainment value of the game. Dealing with 3's is a good start but, unfortunately:

1. reducing the 3pt line to the back-court area would have the opposite effect because defenses could cover it more effectively.
2. we need the 3 late in games to keep the losing team in it. In fact, i'd add a 4pt shot from half-court so there's a remote chance before the buzzer sounds. A way of limiting 3's might be good, but not in the 4th.

the greatest thing about a football game is the variety of ways an opponent can come-back in the end

1 isn't a negative so much as the intent. Make is easier to defend, make the offense adjust. Good players/teams will.

2 heaves from halfcourt or beyond being worth 4 would only cause more ridiculousness. It's not entertaining to watch guys like Ayton* in warmups chuck halfcourt shots for 5-10 minutes. It wouldn't improve the game from a spectator perspective. A 4 point line shouldn't even be up for discussion until the game is improved from a viewer perspective now and largely those who have tuned out point to how it's become a 3pt contest instead of the game they remember.

*which is what he did regularly, good riddance