The NFL Refs Are A Disgrace

[D-Dogg]

My favorite part was Blue Shirt Ref coming out to help and needing to call someone on his head phones for clarification.

LOL.

I am very happy we were able to overcome the Refs at the end.

What the hell WAS that??? Who was he, flown in to clear it all up and STILL messed it up?

So weird.

 

[gmabel830]

I dont criticize...they were asked to work on one of the largest stages in sports with five weeks to prepare...they will improve in time.

I don't blame them personally -- they have no business being out there in the first place. That's the problem!!

 

[crisper57]

Denver just scored going into the 2 minute warning. Refs made them take the 2 min warning before attempting the point after attempt. It's small compared to what we saw, but it gave Denver time to scheme a 2 point conversion attempt.

Lame

 

[Ed Burmila]

Completely, totally awful in every way. I watched STL-DET and they were equally bad, and the GB-SF game was also loaded with awful calls from what I hear.

The NFL is a billion dollar business and this was an utter embarrassment. Win or lose, the game today made me feel sick at the end. There is no point in watching and supporting your team if some Division III labor scab knucklehead is going to decide the outcome with random garbage calls.

 

[Shane]

I still can't believe nobody else is pissed that they called Reggie Walker for off sides inthe play he was in backfield in QBs face in a nano second. He was not off sides in anyway shape or form.

 

[D-Dogg]

I still can't believe nobody else is pissed that they called Reggie Walker for off sides inthe play he was in backfield in QBs face in a nano second. He was not off sides in anyway shape or form.

I just assumed he was because he was THERE so fast. Was that really a good jump of the snap count? Because if so...then...uhm..

 

[Fitz Rulz]

the biggest joke was the spot
after the sack
should have been 2/14 but they spotted it 2/10
Whiz tried to challenge but they said u can't challenge a spot
ABC of football for a ref is the damn SPOT
a ref has to know where the play ends and mark it!

 

[Shane]

I just assumed he was because he was THERE so fast. Was that really a good jump of the snap count? Because if so...then...uhm..

Yea it was THAT good. So good it shocked the refs into calling it. Slow mo replay clearly shows he was not offsides.

 

[Fitz Rulz]

from NFL Rules Book
Timing in Final Two Minutes of Each Half
On kickoff, clock does not start until the ball has been legally touched by player of either team in the field of play. (In all other cases, clock starts with kickoff.)
A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock.
If the defensive team is behind in the score and commits a foul when it has no time outs left in the final 40 seconds of either half, the offensive team can decline the penalty for the foul and have the time on the clock expire.
Fouls that occur in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter as well as the last two minutes of the first half will result in the clock starting on the snap.
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So, I assume it was OK on awarding extra TO
but they should have take 10 secs off the clock, since it was a run play

 

[gmabel830]

from NFL Rules Book
Timing in Final Two Minutes of Each Half
On kickoff, clock does not start until the ball has been legally touched by player of either team in the field of play. (In all other cases, clock starts with kickoff.)
A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock.
If the defensive team is behind in the score and commits a foul when it has no time outs left in the final 40 seconds of either half, the offensive team can decline the penalty for the foul and have the time on the clock expire.
Fouls that occur in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter as well as the last two minutes of the first half will result in the clock starting on the snap.
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So, I assume it was OK on awarding extra TO
but they should have take 10 secs off the clock, since it was a run play

The problem is that the injury was their 3rd timeout, not 4th timeout. They ended up calling the "4th timeout" later. The refs basically said "oops, we screwed up and shouldn't have charged them the third timeout [which apparently wasn't correct], so we'll go ahead give them a 4th one." Show me the rule that says that they can decide on the fly that you can get an extra timeout when they charge your last timeout to an injury.

 

[gmabel830]

the biggest joke was the spot
after the sack
should have been 2/14 but they spotted it 2/10
Whiz tried to challenge but they said u can't challenge a spot
ABC of football for a ref is the damn SPOT
a ref has to know where the play ends and mark it!

Yeah, I originally thought they just replayed the down, but someone said they counted the sack and just spotted the ball wrong and then didn't let Whiz challenge it. Oh, and I clearly saw Patrick Peterson take a swing at someone at the end of that scrum, who should have been an ejection.

 

[BillsCarnage]

I dont criticize...they were asked to work on one of the largest stages in sports with five weeks to prepare...they will improve in time.

I don't blame them personally -- they have no business being out there in the first place. That's the problem!!

No doubt.. But, people need something to whine about. If they replacement refs are so bad why don't some of the whiners go out and apply to be a replacement ref? I'd like to see them do a better job in front of 60k plus TV.

In the end they got the TO call right, but they should have corrected it much sooner and then the fiasco would never have happened.

 

[BillsCarnage]

from NFL Rules Book
Timing in Final Two Minutes of Each Half
On kickoff, clock does not start until the ball has been legally touched by player of either team in the field of play. (In all other cases, clock starts with kickoff.)
A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock.
If the defensive team is behind in the score and commits a foul when it has no time outs left in the final 40 seconds of either half, the offensive team can decline the penalty for the foul and have the time on the clock expire.
Fouls that occur in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter as well as the last two minutes of the first half will result in the clock starting on the snap.
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So, I assume it was OK on awarding extra TO
but they should have take 10 secs off the clock, since it was a run play

I don't think that's the right rule because on the Seattle injury (3rd TO called) the clock stopped for the incomplete pass, therefore they didn't need to take a TO. It's only if the clock is running that a team is charged a TO for an injury in that situation. The refs/NFL (guy in the blue shirt) should have corrected that much sooner then allowing it to go until the end. Even the score board showed SEA w/ 0 TO's

 

[Fitz Rulz]

The problem is that the injury was their 3rd timeout, not 4th timeout. They ended up calling the "4th timeout" later. The refs basically said "oops, we screwed up and shouldn't have charged them the third timeout [which apparently wasn't correct], so we'll go ahead give them a 4th one." Show me the rule that says that they can decide on the fly that you can get an extra timeout when they charge your last timeout to an injury.

You're right. I am still confused but started to understand what happened. The injury was on an incomplete pass so the clock stopped anyway.
I get it now.

 

[Fitz Rulz]

I hope this game get a replay on NFL. need to watch those call once again.

 

[BillsCarnage]

the biggest joke was the spot
after the sack
should have been 2/14 but they spotted it 2/10
Whiz tried to challenge but they said u can't challenge a spot
ABC of football for a ref is the damn SPOT
a ref has to know where the play ends and mark it!

If this is the play I'm thinking of, then there was an off-sides on 1st down by the Cards that had made it 1st n 5.

 

[gmabel830]

I don't think that's the right rule because on the Seattle injury (3rd TO called) the clock stopped for the incomplete pass, therefore they didn't need to take a TO. It's only if the clock is running that a team is charged a TO for an injury in that situation. The refs/NFL (guy in the blue shirt) should have corrected that much sooner then allowing it to go until the end. Even the score board showed SEA w/ 0 TO's

Yeah, that's what pisses me off more than anything.. it really seemed like they didn't figure out that they shouldn't have charge Seattle the injury timeout until a good 5 minutes later when Seattle wanted to use that timeout. In what world are you allowed to go correct a call 5 minutes after you blew it? I've never seen anything like that before. It's like the NFL reps were so worried about making sure they got the rules right, they went back and reversed a decision that had been made earlier in the game -- this kind of reasoning opens the NFL up to a whole can of worms they don't want to go down.

 

[Dback Jon]

BillsCarnage - people pay big money for the games. They deserve comPetent refs. NOt the BS answer u gave. And no, they did not get the call right

 

[Fitz Rulz]

here are the plays according to NFL.com

1-10-SEA 17 27) PENALTY on ARI-24-A.Wilson, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 17 - No Play.

1-5-SEA 22 27) 3-R.Wilson sacked at SEA 17 for -5 yards (51-P.Lenon). Penalty on ARI-94-S.Acho, Personal Foul, declined. Penalty on SEA-69-C.McDonald, Personal Foul, declined.

end of 1st Q

2-10-SEA 17 (15:00) 24-M.Lynch left tackle to SEA 23 for 6 yards (22-W.Gay, 91-V.Holliday).

but it was apparent that he was sacked way behind the 17 yard. It was behind the first chain stick. and that's what Whiz tried to challenge.

 

[BillsCarnage]

BillsCarnage - people pay big money for the games. They deserve comPetent refs. NOt the BS answer u gave. And no, they did not get the call right

Yeah I know, I"m one of them. Blame the NFL not the refs for being put in that situation.

BTW, very little mention of the good jobs the refs did in keeping a very chippy game under control.

 

[Fitz Rulz]

Yeah, that's what pisses me off more than anything.. it really seemed like they didn't figure out that they shouldn't have charge Seattle the injury timeout until a good 5 minutes later when Seattle wanted to use that timeout. In what world are you allowed to go correct a call 5 minutes after you blew it? I've never seen anything like that before. It's like the NFL reps were so worried about making sure they got the rules right, they went back and reversed a decision that had been made earlier in the game -- this kind of reasoning opens the NFL up to a whole can of worms they don't want to go down.

some questions

1. None of Seattle saw that they have 0 TO shown on the stadium board and try to correct that immediately?

2. Usually when refs charge time out, they let both teams coaches know what each team has remaining. So apparently no official told Seattle that they ran out.

3. the board operator get instructions to change TO shown from whom ?

total mess

 

[gmabel830]

some questions

1. None of Seattle saw that they have 0 TO shown on the stadium board and try to correct that immediately?

2. Usually when refs charge time out, they let both teams coaches know what each team has remaining. So apparently no official told Seattle that they ran out.

3. the board operator get instructions to change TO shown from whom ?

total mess

They announced that they were charging Seattle their third timeout when the injury happened and never announced (to the crowd at least) that they gave it back. The scoreboard showed Seattle with 0 timeouts through when they attempted to call their "4th timeout". They never put the TO back up on the board, ever. Several defensive players lost their minds when they called the "4th timeout", so they obviously weren't in the loop.

Just watching the highlights on NFLN, and they said the injury timeout was correct and they shouldn't have received the extra timeout -- and the ref said as much after the game. I know their was some confusion around that. With such a huge delay after the "4th timeout", the only conclusion I can come up with is that they decided they were wrong on the injury timeout then -- and essentially reversed that timeout well after it had occurred.

 

[BillsCarnage]

I stand corrected..

The Seahawks got a longer timeout than they bargained for late in the fourth quarter. With 30 seconds left, Seattle called what it thought was its third – and last – timeout. But according to the scoreboard at University of Phoenix Stadium, the Seahawks didn’t have a timeout left. However, the officials believed the Seahawks had one left and they granted it, much to the chagrin of the Cardinals.
The confusion stemmed from an injury that occurred during the final two minutes. Seattle had used two of its timeouts previously, and when the injured Seahawk went down, the referee did not charge them for the third timeout, which, according to NFL rules, he should have. The rules state that if a team has any timeouts left in the final two minutes and one of its players is injured, the team is charged an injury timeout. However on Sunday, the officials let the stopped clock from an incomplete pass stand as the timeout.
Referee Bruce Hermansen took blame for the mishap after the game.
“It was my error,” he said. “We gave them the additional timeout because of the incomplete pass stopping the clock before the injury occurred. When in effect the clock has no bearing on the play at all, whether it’s stopped or running, we should not have given them the additional timeout.”

After all that, they got it right the first time.. LOL. Cards won, that's all that matters.

 

[HeavyB3]

the biggest joke was the spot
after the sack
should have been 2/14 but they spotted it 2/10
Whiz tried to challenge but they said u can't challenge a spot
ABC of football for a ref is the damn SPOT
a ref has to know where the play ends and mark it!

This. This, I thought was going to have me blow a gasket. How can you get a spot 4 yards wrong? Even the timeout issue, which made me blow 3 gaskets, is more understandable than this. It seems like they got all into the discussion and forgot to mark where the player had been sacked. What a freaking joke. I was yelling at that point that they better not cost us the game and they nearly freaking did.

 

[DeAnna]

When Mike Pererra comes on live and says they are screwing up..... You know it is bad. lol

And also said this

The timeout was still to be charged, but since the clock was not running, no 10-second runoff would apply. The league is lucky that Seattle didn't win this game on a last-second touchdown.

All hell woulda broken loose, lol