The Official Hot Stove thread

[Ryanwb]

I believe he means in a 3 team trade (i.e. Dbacks, Brewers, Yankees). There is no way RJ goes to MIL

Yeah, this is what I meant

 

[Kolo]

I still don't know how to cut and paste ESPN Insider, but Finley is quoted as saying he'll try to convince the Unit to come to Anaheim, and thinks he'd agree--it doesn't say whether the Angels' front office is interested, but L.A. radio yesterday reported Arte Moreno was meeting w/ D'Backs brass for dinner last night.

If nothing else, maybe this'll get Steinbrenner in full irrational Seinfeld mode and get the Yankees back in the game.

 

[WildBB]

Terrero is out of options so its now or never for him.

As for Gonzo, I remember a quote from GM Joe about Hairston being likely to move to the OF, with LF being a possibilty. Maybe theyve warmed up to the idea of Gonzalez moving to first.

I think Gonzo started his career as a 1B with the Astros. He can play the position, it makes sence.

 

[Ryanwb]

The Florida marlins have increased their offer to David Dellucci, hopefully they matched or outbid the D'backs

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Pedro to the Mets, Pavano to the Yanks. BoSox better make a splash or their rotation is going to made up of old vets such as Schilling, Wells, and Wakefield, all guys seemingly near the end of their careers.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The White Sox allegedly just traded Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik. Why couldn't we deal with the Sox idiotic GM for Randy? Oh yeah, because Joe Jr. asked for Carlos Lee, Jon Garland, and either Mark Buerhle or Freddy Garcia. I wonder why they shot down that deal.

EDIT - Apparently there are more names so I'll revise this. That's good for Sox fans, I didn't think anyone was that dumb.

 

[Djaughe]

The Florida marlins have increased their offer to David Dellucci, hopefully they matched or outbid the D'backs

lol...can't tell who yer rooting for...

 

[Kolo]

Today, we said sayanora to Good and Nance and signed Kelly Stinett to a minor league deal. Yipee.

 

[Mulli]

Today, we said sayanora to Good and Nance and signed Kelly Stinett to a minor league deal. Yipee.

What happened to Good and Nance?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

What happened to Good and Nance?

Released. Good never would have lasted in the pros and Nance was another part of Joe Jr's woeful summer of 2003.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

What happened to Good and Nance?

Good was released, Nance designated for assignment. Both were cut to make room on the 40-man roster. I thought Good did have some promise, but I guess somebody had to go.

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com...213&content_id=922090&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I watched the 10 pm news tonight and they mentioned the DBacks interest in preliminary talks to acquire:

P - Shawn Estes
OF - Adam Dunn
OF - Cliff Floyd
OF - Dave Roberts

Estes is a FA and I don't imagine there will be teams line up to get him so that won't be a problem until he takes the mound. Dunn is going to cost a lot as will Floyd. Running Floyd out there with Glaus and perhaps Burnett would be the gamble of a lifetime. I've always liked Dave Roberts and would love to see him in a DBacks uniform if the price is right.

Nothing is set in stone and the likely scenario is that they're basically getting an idea of what the market is for these guys but I felt it was worth mentioning.

 

[boondockdrunk]

I watched the 10 pm news tonight and they mentioned the DBacks interest in preliminary talks to acquire:

P - Shawn Estes
OF - Adam Dunn
OF - Cliff Floyd
OF - Dave Roberts

Estes is a FA and I don't imagine there will be teams line up to get him so that won't be a problem until he takes the mound. Dunn is going to cost a lot as will Floyd. Running Floyd out there with Glaus and perhaps Burnett would be the gamble of a lifetime. I've always liked Dave Roberts and would love to see him in a DBacks uniform if the price is right.

Nothing is set in stone and the likely scenario is that they're basically getting an idea of what the market is for these guys but I felt it was worth mentioning.

I absolutely despise Dunn... I think he is really over-rated. He strikes out more than anyone else in the entire freaking world. The only person I would want on my team, from that list, is Roberts. Cliff costs alot and if you look at his stats he really doesnt deserve that kind of money. Also he gets injured alot. I would rather see the D'backs save some money and give Terrero a shot. Then, if need be, call up either Jackson or Carlos. Just heard that the D'backs called the yanks about a possible RJ trade.... hope we dont get swindled :-\

 

[Evil Ash]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1945810

Monday, December 13, 2004

Associated Press

ANAHEIM, Calif. -- The Arizona Diamondbacks called the New York Yankees again Monday in an effort to restart trade talks on Randy Johnson.

Jeff Moorad, the Diamondbacks' incoming chief executive officer, called Yankees president Randy Levine, a baseball official said on condition of anonymity.

Moorad asked if anything was new on Johnson but did not make a new proposal, and the discussion ended there, the official said.

New York ended trade discussions Dec. 1, calling the Diamondbacks' asking price for the Big Unit excessive.

Arizona's last proposal was to trade Johnson to New York for pitcher Javier Vazquez, setup man Tom Gordon, pitching prospect Brad Halsey and the difference between the $17 million Johnson is due for the remaining year in his contract and the $35.5 million Vazquez is owed in his deal, which has three seasons left.

Alternatively, the official said, the Diamondbacks told the Yankees they could remove Gordon from the deal and replace him with a top pitcher the Yankees would have to acquire from another team.

Johnson's agents have asked Arizona to deal the 41-year-old left-hander to a contending team, but he has a no-trade clause, and it's not clear whether he would accept a trade to any club other than the Yankees.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/261550p-223997c.html

Minaya continued to prepare fans for an empty-handed flight home this afternoon from the winter meetings. Earlier in the day, the Mets and Diamondbacks were engaged in heavy trade discussions that would send Floyd to Arizona, and also potentially involve the Red Sox. In one variation, the Mets would get Shea Hillenbrand and Doug Mientkiewicz, whom they could platoon at first base.

Diamondbacks brass portrayed the deal as alive, but Mets insiders disputed that, claiming the teams couldn't find a match.

http://www.nj.com/mets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1102921801285940.xm

According to a National League executive, the Mets offered Floyd and $3 million to the Arizona Diamondbacks and asked for first baseman Shea Hillenbrand and shortstop Alex Cintron in return. The D'backs passed.

If that is indeed what the Mets demanded for Floyd, then I'm glad that the Dbacks "balked"....

I wonder though if Cintron could possibly be used to "sweeten the pot" in what the Dbacks could get in a 3-way trade that involves Randy... Stay tuned.....

 

[AZZenny]

I can't tell you how the trade talk stuff scares me. I am sure that other GMs would be asking for some top prospects to be added in, since we have them - and just pray we don't trade the real future for a bizarrely-assembled now.
Remember last year we were looking at the names like Shane Reynolds, Estalella, Mayne, Alomar, etc. and thinking what a weird mish-mash they were trying to fob off on us? This is looking a little like the more expensive, gold-spray-painted version.

I was thinking Dave Roberts a few weeks ago, and that would be lovely, but other than that the names listed leave me cold.

 

[boondockdrunk]

The latest rumor is that Dunn will be traded for Shea and Koplove.... I wouldnt mind doing this trade (so that Tracy or Glaus can play 1st), but I dont know how credible the report is.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The latest rumor is that Dunn will be traded for Shea and Koplove.... I wouldnt mind doing this trade (so that Tracy or Glaus can play 1st), but I dont know how credible the report is.

I don't buy into the validity of these Hillenbrand-Dunn rumors. If we ask the Reds for Dunn, the first words out of their GM's mouth is going to be Brandon Webb followed by Conor Jackson and Carlos Quentin. Although it wouldn't surprise me at all at this point if we start trading away prospects. Moorad seems intent on making an impact in the NL West at any cost, such as smart contracts and top prospects.

 

[boondockdrunk]

I don't buy into the validity of these Hillenbrand-Dunn rumors. If we ask the Reds for Dunn, the first words out of their GM's mouth is going to be Brandon Webb followed by Conor Jackson and Carlos Quentin. Although it wouldn't surprise me at all at this point if we start trading away prospects. Moorad seems intent on making an impact in the NL West at any cost, such as smart contracts and top prospects.

As of right now.... I wouldnt even trade Jackson or Quentin straight up for Dunn. I have never liked the Stirkeout King. When you strike out almost 200 times per year... it shows that you are only trying to hit homeruns. Plus, I dont even think that Joe Jr. is dumb enough (or Moorad for that matter) to trade Webb or Jackson or Carlos for Dunn. But even as I type it I am knocking on wood. :-\

 

[KingLouieLouie]

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/12/14/reds12-14-2004.html

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One possible deal emerged Monday night, when a Phoenix TV station reported that the Reds would send left fielder Adam Dunn to the Arizona Diamondbacks for third baseman Shea Hillenbrand and infielder Alex Cintron and possibly right-hander Javier Vasquez, who would be included as part of a three-way deal sending Randy Johnson to the New York Yankees.

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The Yankees are willing to give up Javier Vazquez, about $12 million of the $19.5 million difference between Johnson's $16 million salary and the $35.5 million left on Vazquez' deal, Brad Halsey, Alex Graman and pitching prospect Abel Gomez.

Yet, the Diamondbacks want the Yankees to sacrifice Vazquez, $19.5 million, get a big league pitcher from another club and deal him to Arizona and four Yankee prospects. Or they want Vazquez, $19.5 million, Tom Gordon and prospects.

Another proposal was Vazquez, Gordon, $19.5 million and lefty Brad Halsey. The final offer was Vazquez, Shawn Chacon (from Colorado), Halsey and three prospects, including infielder Eric Duncan, the jewel of the Yankees' system.

 

[boondockdrunk]

The final offer was Vazquez, Shawn Chacon (from Colorado), Halsey and three prospects, including infielder Eric Duncan, the jewel of the Yankees' system.

That trade doesnt sound too bad to me.... maybe we could then deal Vazquez to the Marlins for Burnett... I think Chacon can be better than he was last year, Vasquez can be a good #2 starter, and Duncan is supposed to be their top prospect (although it wouldnt be too hard to be the Yank's top prospect). I dont know much about Halsey.

 

[boondockdrunk]

Royce Clayton - SS - ARZ


Diamondbacks signed shortstop Royce Clayton, who had been with the Rockies, to a one-year, $1.3 million contract.

Not a bad sign for that amount of money. If he doesnt do well then we can play someone else there, but he is good defensively.

 

[Stan C]

Floyd and Roberts are both 32 and hit around .260 last year. Roberts has some speed, but I don't see the upgrade over Danny, and Floyd is much more expensive (6.5 mill. last year).
To me, Dunn is a younger Sexson with a very low contract, but I can't see Cincinatti parting with him. ESPN has the Great American Park rated 28th as a hitters ball park, BOB is 9th. He could do a lot fo damage here.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

There is a significant upgrade in talent when comparing Floyd to Bautista. Neither can stay healthy, but Floyd actually has some power and can drive runners in. I'd be willing to pay the extra $2.5 million to Floyd if it was between him and Bautista and his 2004 salary of $4 million. Remember Bautista is in his 30s as well and while his average might have been better, BA is an ancient stat that few GMs even use anymore.

Roberts would be my choice because he will only make around $1 million, plus he will be the stolen base threat we have not had in years plus his range would be ideal in BOB's CF.

 

[Ryanwb]

AJ Pierzynski was released by the Giants.... would he be worth a look? He sucked royally last year but I liked him when he was with the Twins