The Official Trade Idea Thread

[green machine]

I nominate this thread as the worst trade idea ever because there is no way it would ever happen.

 

[arwillan]

Hi guys, we need some sanity in our trade suggestions! I mean we won't get other teams' franchise player for Marion as the core of a trade.

thats unheard of, but it might just work . i dont think dwight will be in a suns uniform next year, but i wanted to make a thread where we can discuss someone...something besides the suns getting garnett.

 

[arwillan]

I nominate this thread as the worst trade idea ever because there is no way it would ever happen.

read my post. this thread isnt about only dwight howard, just for other ideas than KG.

 

[Lorenzo]

No, players like Marion don't come around every day, but you're really overvaluing him. There's a reason (well, there are many reasons) some of us want the Suns to trade him.

Besides, AI, Marion, and KG are all 29 or older, with ridiculous salaries that are putting strain on their teams financially. You just don't trade 22-year-old dudes that make All-NBA teams, especially those on rookie contracts.

there is no way the suns could obtain him without giving up steve nash or STAT. no other combination of players would work. I don't think you need howard anyway with amare here. amare is further along right now. who knows who will have a better career overall. but amare looks pretty darn good right now. 1st team all NBA. I think as he continues to mature he will make suns fans happy.

 

[arwillan]

there is no way the suns could obtain him without giving up steve nash or STAT. no other combination of players would work. I don't think you need howard anyway with amare here. amare is further along right now. who knows who will have a better career overall. but amare looks pretty darn good right now. 1st team all NBA. I think as he continues to mature he will make suns fans happy.

too bad he cant play defense or rebound his way out of a paper bag when he faces the likes of duncan

 

[gdiddy]

Hello? Dwight Howard? Forget about the fact that Orlando would never make that trade. Why do we even need him when we have a greater offensive presence in Amare?

We need a solid shooting guard and a legitimate backup point guard for Nash.

 

[Evil Ash]

Hi guys, we need some sanity in our trade suggestions! I mean we won't get other teams' franchise player for Marion as the core of a trade.

The only semi-realistic superstar 4/5 that I can see us trading for would be Jermaine O'Neal. Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett aren't realistic options

 

[Goldfield]

too bad he cant play defense or rebound his way out of a paper bag when he faces the likes of duncan

Alittle overblown there. But your also talking about DUNCAN, one of the best bigs ever. (Also the most boring)

 

[arwillan]

Hello? Dwight Howard? Forget about the fact that Orlando would never make that trade. Why do we even need him when we have a greater offensive presence in Amare?

We need a solid shooting guard and a legitimate backup point guard for Nash.

we need him for the same reason we need KG. another guy to grab rebounds (no doubt we need that), to guard the likes of tim duncan in the playoffs (give us a better shot at playing him 1on1 while still having that guy be able to score well (unlike KT).

 

[arwillan]

Alittle overblown there. But your also talking about DUNCAN, one of the best bigs ever. (Also the most boring)

i dont expect anyone to hold him to 12 points or anything, but i think someone with better size than KT can really give us a good shot at playing him 1on1 while not letting us get killed on the boards.

 

[Lorenzo]

i dont expect anyone to hold him to 12 points or anything, but i think someone with better size than KT can really give us a good shot at playing him 1on1 while not letting us get killed on the boards.

I agree with that. what you need is a backup center. whether one wants to critique the refs or not....amare had some foul trouble as anyone will have when they go up against the spurs. KT did a fine job, but if he's not the answer for the future, you guys need to bring in another big. The problem is you aren't going to be able to bring in a KG or a howard without giving up STAT. What are you telling STAT as well if you go after another franchise big man? As one said nash clearly needs a backup PG, but are you gonna bring in jason kidd?

 

[arwillan]

I agree with that. what you need is a backup center. whether one wants to critique the refs or not....amare had some foul trouble as anyone will have when they go up against the spurs. KT did a fine job, but if he's not the answer for the future, you guys need to bring in another big. The problem is you aren't going to be able to bring in a KG or a howard without giving up STAT. What are you telling STAT as well if you go after another franchise big man? As one said nash clearly needs a backup PG, but are you gonna bring in jason kidd?

thats very true. but if not KG, who else? horford wont be ready to handle duncan his first year. what PG can the suns get that can handle being the back up to STEVE NASH? the suns will have to pick one or the other i think. they can trade for one and draft the other but still, that doesnt put them in the finals next year

 

[Covert Rain]

thats very true. but if not KG, who else? horford wont be ready to handle duncan his first year. what PG can the suns get that can handle being the back up to STEVE NASH? the suns will have to pick one or the other i think. they can trade for one and draft the other but still, that doesnt put them in the finals next year

Nobody can handle Duncan...PERIOD. The are only 2 guys that really handle Duncan. One of them is old and on the way out and the other used to play with him and already retired (David Robinson). Other then that, there is nobody that can guard Duncan.

Aside from getting a true center or an upgrade over Bell or an upgrade over Marion AND getting a deeper bench, how does this team get better? If you trade Marion for say a KG contract, then you can't get a deeper bench. There is no salary relief in that scenario. No money to improve the bench.

If you dump Marion's salary then your banking on a young player to play better then Marion who despite what the Marion haters say will have a hard time filling the shoes of one of the best SF in the league. You will have money to make the bench deeper but does that realistically put you over the top?

I am not so sure the Suns have any choice but to ride out this core for all it's got left and hope that our turn is coming. I am not saying that's what we should do but I have yet to see a trade or scenario that makes me think...wow if we get _________ the title is ours. Have not seen it yet.

 

[arwillan]

I am not saying that's what we should do but I have yet to see a trade or scenario that makes me think...wow if we get _________ the title is ours. Have not seen it yet.

i have yet to see this core making me say "wow with amare,nash,and marion the title is ours" either. changes have to come somewhere. i dont know who it will be, but if the suns front office has any sense it will make the trades needed to get the suns into the finals in the next year or two.

 

[Covert Rain]

i have yet to see this core making me say "wow with amare,nash,and marion the title is ours" either. changes have to come somewhere. i dont know who it will be, but if the suns front office has any sense it will make the trades needed to get the suns into the finals in the next year or two.

I never said it did. My point being you can't make changes just to make changes. I am still not convinced if Stern had not bent us over we would not have won this thing. I just have not seen a realistic scenario yet that makes me believe we would be better off then our core.

 

[Lorenzo]

thats very true. but if not KG, who else? horford wont be ready to handle duncan his first year. what PG can the suns get that can handle being the back up to STEVE NASH? the suns will have to pick one or the other i think. they can trade for one and draft the other but still, that doesnt put them in the finals next year

we had that same problem with nash in dallas. everything the team does goes thru nash. he's such a great PG that any other guy that comes in looks like a reject and people expect him to execute the same system which isn't possible. having said that you don't want to bring in a big named PG. The best bet may be to bring in a young guy and try to develop him under nash. someone nash can mentor. also when that guy plays.....don't expect him to play like nash. let him do what he does best.

 

[arwillan]

I never said it did. My point being you can't make changes just to make changes. I am still not convinced if Stern had not bent us over we would not have won this thing. I just have not seen a realistic scenario yet that makes me believe we would be better off then our core.

i think with amare and diaw in game 5, we would have had a game 2 repeat of sorts. after that who knows, maybe we win and maybe we dont. could we have gotten past the jazz? can we handle the pistons who are a lot like the spurs but would probably make nash play defense on someone? who is to say. now that we lost our weaknesses are under a microscope. marion stands out as someone who doesnt show up consistently in the playoffs. maybe its the spurs, maybe its him. who knows? he just seems to be the one on the team who has to go because he makes the most and does the least of our big 3.

 

[slinslin]

Dwight Howard has about 10 times the trade value of KG.

But at the same time KG is better than him at everything so why we would we want Howard over KG to begin with, we want to win NOW.

 

[arwillan]

Dwight Howard has about 10 times the trade value of KG.

But at the same time KG is better than him at everything so why we would we want Howard over KG to begin with, we want to win NOW.

we dont want howard over KG, but we want to talk about something other than KG.

anyway i dont think KG makes us win now, per say. you see, you cant have 2 dominant post presences on the floor at the same time. nash can only make a play for one of them. only one of them can have the ball at a time.

 

[Covert Rain]

we dont want howard over KG, but we want to talk about something other than KG.

anyway i dont think KG makes us win now, per say. you see, you cant have 2 dominant post presences on the floor at the same time. nash can only make a play for one of them. only one of them can have the ball at a time.

That's my point. However, if we talk about other players we should talk about realistic ones. There is no way Orlando trades Howard under any circumstances. So why talk about him?

 

[Lorenzo]

Dwight Howard has about 10 times the trade value of KG.

But at the same time KG is better than him at everything so why we would we want Howard over KG to begin with, we want to win NOW.

KG won't fit in with the suns unless you ship stat off. KG may leave, but he's gonna go to a team that lacks a big. maybe L.A.?

 

[Covert Rain]

KG won't fit in with the suns unless you ship stat off. KG may leave, but he's gonna go to a team that lacks a big. maybe L.A.?

I agree with that. Kobe and KG I think compliment each other. That freaking team would be scary as all hell IMO. However, the Lakers don't have enough to get a deal like that done. They have a bunch of guys in their starting lineup that would be coming off the bench with most NBA elite teams.

No way they get KG unless it's some crazy 3 way trade type scenario.

 

[JS22]

too bad he cant play defense or rebound his way out of a paper bag when he faces the likes of duncan

This post doesn't make sense.

Game 1 - 18 rebounds.
Game 2 - 9 rebounds.
Game 3 - Just 5 rebounds, but he barely played 20 minutes.
Game 4 - 9 rebounds again.
Game 5 - DNP
Game 6 - 12 rebounds.

This gives him an average of nearly 11 boards a game against SA in the series.

 

[arwillan]

This post doesn't make sense.

Game 1 - 18 rebounds.
Game 2 - 9 rebounds.
Game 3 - Just 5 rebounds, but he barely played 20 minutes.
Game 4 - 9 rebounds again.
Game 5 - DNP
Game 6 - 12 rebounds.

This gives him an average of nearly 11 boards a game against SA in the series.

that doesnt matter when he should have had 15 a game. how about when the rebounds of missed free throws went right past him and into the hands of duncan. his rebounding needs work.

 

[JS22]

that doesnt matter when he should have had 15 a game. how about when the rebounds of missed free throws went right past him and into the hands of duncan. his rebounding needs work.

That's because Duncan has perfected the art of going over the back on every single one of his rebounds. I lost count how many times I yelled at my TV because of Duncan committing over the back fouls.