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Too bad none of our strikers can finish worth a damn. Well, we know Buddle can in MLS, but Jozy, while athletic and a good dribbler, can't finish at all. Ching either.

Gotta go Jozy, Buddle and Gomez as the top 3 forwards, with Dempsey and Donovan cheating up there once in a while. IMO, of course.

I don't know what's more sad, the fact that you're championing two MLS strikers with little to no international experience, or the fact that our roster is so devoid of striker options that I have to believe Dempsey is our best striker to pair with Altidore. I mean, not to say that Gomez or Buddle couldn't become decent internationals, but now is not the time to throw them in the fire and pray they succeed. That smacks of too much desperation.
 

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I don't know what's more sad, the fact that you're championing two MLS strikers with little to no international experience, or the fact that our roster is so devoid of striker options that I have to believe Dempsey is our best striker to pair with Altidore. I mean, not to say that Gomez or Buddle couldn't become decent internationals, but now is not the time to throw them in the fire and pray they succeed. That smacks of too much desperation.

And again, besides Altidore, WHO are your alternatives? You haven't done anything except attack me for my support of Buddle. And Jozy isn't exactly a world-beater either. MLS or not, Buddle's form is better than Jozy's. He got red-carded for a head-butt for crissakes! If that immaturity doesn't scare you a little, then nothing will.
 

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We will ride the same horses we did at the Confed Cup. Dempsey, Donovan, etc....

Anyone who takes success in the MLS seriously is kidding themselves IMO.

Our team strikes fear in no one. Fortunately we will get to the round of 16 (As the #2 in our pool)... Anything more than that will surprise me.


Oh.....And Ching sucks.
 

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And again, besides Altidore, WHO are your alternatives? You haven't done anything except attack me for my support of Buddle. And Jozy isn't exactly a world-beater either. MLS or not, Buddle's form is better than Jozy's. He got red-carded for a head-butt for crissakes! If that immaturity doesn't scare you a little, then nothing will.

Altidore had one goal in 29 appearances for Hull City. That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Buddle has been in much better form this year.

People love to rag on MLS, but it is a much stronger league than it was even a few years ago.
 

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Anyone who takes success in the MLS seriously is kidding themselves IMO.

Anyone who discounts the impact MLS has had on our National Team is kidding themselves

guys who are projected as starters...Howard, Bocanegra, Donovan, Dempsey, Bradley, Edu(or Clark) & Altidore all began their careers in MLS. Demerit tried out and was cut by Chicago or he would have been an MLS vet too.

From the 30 man roster...
Of the 3 GKs NONE never played MLS.

Of the 9 defenders only Demerit, Onyewu, Cherundolo & Spector never played in MLS.

Of the 12 Midfielders only Bedoya, Feilhaber & Torres never played MLS.

Of the 6 forwards NONE never played MLS.

So a total of 7 players of 30 have no MLS background. MLS is getting better every year and continues to develop players wanted by bigger clubs. If it wasn't for MLS a lot of our current players in Europe wouldn't have been there.
 

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Anyone who discounts the impact MLS has had on our National Team is kidding themselves

guys who are projected as starters...Howard, Bocanegra, Donovan, Dempsey, Bradley, Edu(or Clark) & Altidore all began their careers in MLS. Demerit tried out and was cut by Chicago or he would have been an MLS vet too.

From the 30 man roster...
Of the 3 GKs NONE never played MLS.

Of the 9 defenders only Demerit, Onyewu, Cherundolo & Spector never played in MLS.

Of the 12 Midfielders only Bedoya, Feilhaber & Torres never played MLS.

Of the 6 forwards NONE never played MLS.

So a total of 7 players of 30 have no MLS background. MLS is getting better every year and continues to develop players wanted by bigger clubs. If it wasn't for MLS a lot of our current players in Europe wouldn't have been there.

And I would say that other than Donovan.... Our Defenders and Goalkeeping have the most talent on the roster.

Our Midfield and Strikers continue to be unimpressive. No one can explain why we allow every team to control the middle of the field and our goal scoring options are almost non-existent.

Of course the MLS has had an impact. My argument is that the impact has been both positive and negative.
 

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And I would say that other than Donovan.... Our Defenders and Goalkeeping have the most talent on the roster.

Our Midfield and Strikers continue to be unimpressive. No one can explain why we allow every team to control the middle of the field and our goal scoring options are almost non-existent.

Of course the MLS has had an impact. My argument is that the impact has been both positive and negative.

Ok defenders & goalkeepers have the most talent yet all 3 GK's played in MLS and 6 of our 9 defenders played MLS...or 9 of 12 players. Are you trying to prove my point?

You aren't going to get an argument that we have trouble producing effective strikers but a MF of Dempsey, Donovan, Bradley & Edu is not what I'd call terrible(everyone of them developed in MLS). The lack of possesion in the MF comes from coaching if you ask me.

What negative impact? Seriously, did you watch soccer prior to the existence of MLS? The US was TERRIBLE, we didn't see a WC from 1950 to 1990...since the creation of MLS in 1996 we have been the #1 qualifying team from CONCACAF in '06 & '10--won the Gold Cup 3 times and were runners up twice. Prior to MLS we never won the region in WCQ and had 1 Gold Cup championship.

The '02 WC team was jammed with guys who either played or were currently playing MLS..the only exception were Reyna (who was injured most of the tournament), Earnie Stewart and O'Brien..every other player on that team played in MLS at some point before that WC.

I fail to see the negative or any negative...it sure beats not having a pro league and not seeing any of our talent have a chance to develop aside from college soccer.
 

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I don't care what kind of form you're in in the MLS or the Premiership or the Bundesliga. You don't bring a guy with ONE CAP to the WC unless he is a young, budding star. Buddle is an older player who, for many reasons, could never make it onto a U.S. National team with a dearth of strikers. Now is not the time to get him experience; he needed that experience before we reached this point.

For now, you go with Altidore and Dempsey, and hope that Dempsey doesn't go cold and unmotivated, and that neither of them get hurt.
 

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I don't care what kind of form you're in in the MLS or the Premiership or the Bundesliga. You don't bring a guy with ONE CAP to the WC unless he is a young, budding star. Buddle is an older player who, for many reasons, could never make it onto a U.S. National team with a dearth of strikers. Now is not the time to get him experience; he needed that experience before we reached this point.

For now, you go with Altidore and Dempsey, and hope that Dempsey doesn't go cold and unmotivated, and that neither of them get hurt.

What is your problem with having bench players? I don't get it, what if Jozy gets a couple yellow cards, or, God forbid, goes down with an injury? What if Dempsey plays like crap up front? There's a reason why you bring more than 2 strikers to a tournament.

Amazing that all of you are satisfied with having 1 striker on the roster and that's it. I just don't get it.
 

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What is your problem with having bench players? I don't get it, what if Jozy gets a couple yellow cards, or, God forbid, goes down with an injury? What if Dempsey plays like crap up front? There's a reason why you bring more than 2 strikers to a tournament.

Amazing that all of you are satisfied with having 1 striker on the roster and that's it. I just don't get it.

I don't get it either. I'd rather have either Buddle or Gomez coming off the bench at this point than Eddie Johnson--caps be damned. It is a shame really, Eddie Johnson has all that athletic ability but so little of the mental toughness or soccer smarts you'd expect with someone with his experience.
 

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Say what you want about the other strikers on our roster, but at least they have all had big-game experience and won't crack under pressure. We have no idea if Buddle or Gomez would play scared or not. I don't want to look at a sub coming in IN THE WORLD CUP and have no idea how they play at the international level. As scary as the idea would be, they could very well tank it worse than a performance from a Ching or Johnson. In a pinch we could move Donovan up to striker too.

Man, does our striker situation SUCK!
 

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I don't care what kind of form you're in in the MLS or the Premiership or the Bundesliga. You don't bring a guy with ONE CAP to the WC unless he is a young, budding star. Buddle is an older player who, for many reasons, could never make it onto a U.S. National team with a dearth of strikers. Now is not the time to get him experience; he needed that experience before we reached this point.

It is not like this is the first time a player didn't get much attention with their national team until older than usual. Roger Milla was 26, Oliver Bierhoff was almost 28...thats not saying Buddle or Gomez are either of those 2 but it is not unprecedented and doesn't always spell disaster...heck old US Nat Thomas Dooley was 30 when he made his USNT debut.

Don't hold Buddle or Gomez to blame, blame Bob Bradley who insisted on bringing in known trash like Josh Wolff to repeated camps.
 

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It is not like this is the first time a player didn't get much attention with their national team until older than usual. Roger Milla was 26, Oliver Bierhoff was almost 28...thats not saying Buddle or Gomez are either of those 2 but it is not unprecedented and doesn't always spell disaster...heck old US Nat Thomas Dooley was 30 when he made his USNT debut.

Don't hold Buddle or Gomez to blame, blame Bob Bradley who insisted on bringing in known trash like Josh Wolff to repeated camps.

That I can certainly agree with.
 

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What is your problem with having bench players? I don't get it, what if Jozy gets a couple yellow cards, or, God forbid, goes down with an injury? What if Dempsey plays like crap up front? There's a reason why you bring more than 2 strikers to a tournament.

Amazing that all of you are satisfied with having 1 striker on the roster and that's it. I just don't get it.
I would have to agree with that. I really liked what I saw from charlie davies. to me, outside of altidore, he looked like a promising young player that didn't care who or where he was playing. now that he is gone, we need guys like that. I could care less about johnson or ching, because when the lights come on against the best teams they rarely take advantage of the little opportunities that they get. I hope bradley leave both of those guys off the 23 man roster(and beasley dare i say bocanegra). being a striker isn't easy. some games you get one or two touches in the box and those moments make or break the game. I like dempsey and altidore's ability to play in the box and score goals with minimal touch. They have shown that ability in big games. the world cup comes down to goals. you aren't going to hold everyone scoreless...so you have to score. In 1998 and 2006 we got 2 goals and an own goal combined. In 2002 we got more than that in one game at times. goals are a team effort though. you have to create the scoring chance...and our midfielders have rarely been good enough to hold the ball long enough..in a world cup against the best teams. so this is why it appears that guys like dempsey, donovan, and altidore are inconsistent at times because they just can't get the ball. hopefully that changes this time.
 
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it's funny I came here to ask about buddle and gomez and it appears there is conflict lol. I guess when you get service from donovan and beckham you are going to score goals in the MLS. although I am impressed with gomez' numbers in Mexico. Anyone watch him? I never have seen much of him. I have no problem with bradley bringing him onto the roster. outside of altidore you still have the spot up for grabs. to me, barring davies' injury, this is a good thing. the last thing I want is a guy like ching or johnson who may have seniority, thinking he has the spot on lock with no pressure to earn it when he doesn't deserve it in the first place. I think this was the problem 4 years ago with bruce arena.
 

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Tonights game should be really an audition for the fringe players. Supposedly Jozy Altidore, Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley and Carlos Bocanegra all won't be playing. The next 2 games after this(Turkey & Australia) will be working on the starting line up for the WC.

Personally I am hoping someone steps up so that Ching doesn't make the roster--but my guess is Bradley takes him over Buddle or Johnson. Supposedly Gomez has had a great camp and is pretty much a lock at this point, they say Beasley has had a good camp too.
 

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Turkey absolutely dominated the Czechs about a week ago. It'll be interesting to see how the US does against them
 

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Buddle is the real deal. He is a finisher. He creates space when there is none. He would be a great addition to this team, but because Bradley is a moron, we will probably see Eddie Johnson fumble around the pitch instead.

I love the "Buddle is only good in LA because he receives services from Donovan and Beckham" argument. Who exactly do you think would be servicing him in the WC? And any striker looks better when receiving great balls.

The success of this team will lie with the mids. But unfortunately, Bradley hasn't prepared this team and I fear the worst. Qualifying was a mess at times and I expect the same. Either way I can't wait.
 

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Tonights lineup from Steve Goff...

The latest buzz: Guzan; Cherundolo, Goodson, Onyewu, Bornstein; Holden, Torres, Edu, Beasley; Johnson, Buddle. [Update: It's now official.]

Eligible subs: Hahnemann, Spector, Marshall, Pearce, Bedoya, Rogers, Clark, Kljestan, Gomez, Ching, Findley.

Not in uniform: Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, Bocanegra, DeMerit, Altidore, Bradley, Feilhaber.

Come on somebody make Ching an after thought.
 

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How good are the Czechs?

They are just OK, kind of in a transition, their core for the past few years has moved on. We should be winning against them on our home soil even without a bunch of guys who will be starting in the WC but somehow they have managed 3 goals in 80 minutes against us.
 
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