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I disagree. Nash, J Rich, Amare is better than the Duncan, Parker, Ginobili trio ATM but it is close.
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I disagree. Nash, J Rich, Amare is better than the Duncan, Parker, Ginobili trio ATM but it is close.
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Qualifications:
1. Nash needs to be healthy
2. Nash needs to stick to the new company line of reduced dribbling and more energy to be spent on defense and particularly saved for crunch time.
Then, I'd say they were close. That's because Amare looks really unstoppable, better than 2005 or 2007 playoffs, as he now passes well and rarely commits off. fouls.
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I was referring to past matchups. Our current trio if fully healthy might be better but if so it's in part because Duncan has lost a little bit.
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You can keep saying it but that doesn't make it so. There was a stretch this season where Nash ended up trying to do too much but it was a dearth of options rather than a weakness in his game. Amare couldn't handle the bounce pass, Frye had lost his confidence, Richardson had lost his game and Barbosa was either unavailable or ineffective.
Nash has always dribbled a lot but for most of his career that's been a strength. His ability to keep the dribble alive allowed him to probe the defense and eventually find the best option. It didn't become over-dribbling until he lost most of his options, IMO. You seem to regard Gentry's comment as a statement on Nash's legacy rather than a moment in time problem.
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Parker isn't healthy, in fact he is still out. It's a wash there or pro Suns when he comes back.
Fair enough, although a trio of Nash, JJ, and Amare was arguably better than the Parker, Ginobili, Duncan trio. We didn't really get to see it though.
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Don't be surprised if the Spurs trade Parker over the next year. This team is playing better with George Hill out there and while they'd be even better if Parker was willing to be Hill's backup that's not likely. Hill is not the individual offensive threat that Parker is but he's not bad and he plays much better defense. Also, with Hill out there it becomes Manu's show and unfortunately that guy is pretty much unstoppable.
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Of the 4 teams now tied for 2nd, the Suns schedule is by far the toughest. Dallas is the easiest. The Suns would be doing very well to finish with the 4 seed IMO.
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agreed. there's apparently been a lot of Bosh talk around SA. If he's gonna leave, the Raptors couldn't come close to do anything as good as getting Tony Parker back in a sign and trade.
A new twin towers, plus a healthy Manu and George Hill would have a nice 3-4 year run in them.
At this point I am convinced that the Suns will lose a first round playoff series against the Spurs. If they have Lopez back it may be competitve but it still would be far and away the worst matchup for the Suns. With everything being so close the Suns should have control over where they end up, meaning that losing the last 2 against Denver and Utah (while ideally resting Nash) and finishing in the 6th or 7th spot against one of the current 2-4 seeds would be preferrable to playing the Spurs, even with home court.
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Plus Pop would have Bosh playing the kind of defense he's capable of. Bosh has a good enough foundation that he should be able to man up on just about anyone other than probably Howard. And his presence would help extend Duncan's viability.
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i would like nothing more than to finally get over on the spurs, but that doesn't mean i want to play 'em.
i see us finishing 53-29 and getting the 4th seed.
utah will finish against a weak sched at 54-28 and take the 2 seed.
dallas will also finish 53-29, but they have the tie breaker over us, so they get 3 seed.
denver limps in a bit at 52-30, surrendering 4th seed to us, and they'll be a difficult out in the first round for us as they have a ton of confidence from last year's run and chauncey just chews up stevie. plus though amare is on a tear, they've got a glut of bigs to throw at him.
i see us finishing 53-29 and getting the 4th seed.
utah will finish against a weak sched at 54-28 and take the 2 seed.
dallas will also finish 53-29, but they have the tie breaker over us, so they get 3 seed.
denver limps in a bit at 52-30, surrendering 4th seed to us, and they'll be a difficult out in the first round for us as they have a ton of confidence from last year's run and chauncey just chews up stevie. plus though amare is on a tear, they've got a glut of bigs to throw at him.
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Bosh wants his own team as the franchise player. He is not going to SA as the 2nd best bigman and 3rd option after TD and Manu. No way.
AzSteven,
in the past two years, Nash's dribble has not been effective enough against good teams. And his physical condition has declined so much that he has not been able to be clutch as he used to 3 years ago, as witnessed in a series of losses after blowing 10-20 pts lead in the 4th in Dec_Jan.
As to dearth of options, it's an egg-or-hen issue. As documented in my sig., coaching staff ordered reduction of dribbling because they felt that it severely limited other players' initiative options, yet without the success of early SSOL system. Nash obliged, most of the time, and suddenly Amare and JRich got unleashed after the allstar break and we went on the run.
AzSteven,
in the past two years, Nash's dribble has not been effective enough against good teams. And his physical condition has declined so much that he has not been able to be clutch as he used to 3 years ago, as witnessed in a series of losses after blowing 10-20 pts lead in the 4th in Dec_Jan.
As to dearth of options, it's an egg-or-hen issue. As documented in my sig., coaching staff ordered reduction of dribbling because they felt that it severely limited other players' initiative options, yet without the success of early SSOL system. Nash obliged, most of the time, and suddenly Amare and JRich got unleashed after the allstar break and we went on the run.
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Nice theory except Bosh would have to live in San Antonio?
Would you rather live in New York, Miami or San Antonio?
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One thing's certain. You can forget about the Nuggets after Popcorngate.
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I'm not exactly sure what you're saying(in terms of my position). I have been one of the few here who have given the SPURS all the credit in the world over the last few years. They do it the way its supposed to be done...with size,defense,rebounding,real coaching,mental & physical toughness,dirty tactics, whatever.....no gimmicks. I have all the respect in the world for those A-holes.
I do happen to think that we had the superior talent during our title run....but S.A. simply did all the little things that we were either unable or unwilling to do to get it done. They were a better team.
If we're talking about who's the better team this year....i don't know....i don't really care actually.
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So now Utah is ahead of the Suns, because they beat Thunder last night. Except that they didn't really beat them; Durant was fouled on the last play, but no call was made and Utah one by 1 point. Today, the league admitted that a foul should have been called. But the result stands, so Utah gets a W where it should have been an L (unless you assume that Durant would have missed all three FT attempts). Now Utah could finish tied with the Suns and get home court in a playoff series, because of a blown call. Of course, it's also possible that the Thunder "loss" will prevent them from catching the Suns. I just wish that these crucial games were decided by the players, not the refs, but I guess that's asking too much. Makes me not even want to think about the calls that we're going to see in the playoffs.
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That's not a blown call; it was the expected call. Sloan's Utah has always gotten the best home court calls of any team in the NBA. The world would have stopped spinning if an NBA ref had possessed the courage and decency to make the correct call at that time in that arena.
It wasn't the worst non-call I've ever seen but the ref clearly saw the foul and declined to call it. To me, a blown call means they missed it rather than chose to not do their job.
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They were better last night, but head to head when it counts nash and amare have been owned by those 3. nash going back to his dallas days as well. parker has killed him. the problem for SA is duncan is not what he once was so at this point amare should be able to outplay duncan given the major difference in age.
dallas also owns the tiebreaker over the nuggets I believe. They play portland next. that is a team that is a thorn in the mavs' side. I would not want to see dallas draw portland, OKC, or Utah. although i think they can beat those teams...they scare me worse than other teams(aside from LA).
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We just need to win out the rest of our games and hold the destiny of playoff seeding in our own hands.
mavs won a ugly physical...borderline out of control game in portland tonight. Cities with one professional team like SA/Portland etc have desperate fans. They were actually throwing things at the refs. they should have been throwing things and chanting at their players not the refs. On a night that dallas shot 30 percent and only had dirk going they still lost.We just need to win out the rest of our games and hold the destiny of playoff seeding in our own hands.
tonights standings with dallas winning their division:
2. Mavs
3. Nuggets
4. Jazz
5. Suns
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I gotta tell you, seeing as it looks pretty bleak to get any kind of homecourt advantage in the first round, I wouldn't be unhappy if we dropped to the 6 seed and had to face Denver in the first round. For some reason, we match up well with them and I could see us stealing that series, with or without Lopez. Also keeps us away from a royal ass-kicking by the Lakers in the second round if we were somehow to survive a Jazz series that would have all of us pulling our hair out.
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