The reported price for Kolb

AsUpRoDiGy · Jul 27, 2011

Cbus cardsfan said:
you did not just say get Jake Delhomme

lol, unfortunately i did

would you trade kolb for andrew luck though? thats the trade off, but obviously a fairy tale

Dayman · Jul 27, 2011

My true feelings will depend on the moves the Cards make after the trade. Another vet corner needs to be added. I would not feel comfortable going into the season with Toler, Peterson and Adams.

However, I'm starting to realize that DRC really doesn't fit Horton's system. I HATE to see him leave, but if replacing him ends up improving the D, I'll get over it fast.

AZ Native · Jul 27, 2011

Brian in Mesa said:
I was really looking forward to having (potentially) TWO shutdown corners.

Shutdown? They threw at DRC last year.

Brian in Mesa · Jul 27, 2011

AZ Native said:
Shutdown? They threw at DRC last year.

That's why I clarified with "potentially." I think he has the potential...just loses focus sometimes and/or takes too many chances.

JeffGollin · Jul 27, 2011

oaken1 said:
That price is too damned high......check back with me after Kolb's second pro bowl in the next three years....and I may re evaluate

Roger that.

Pariah · Jul 27, 2011

Hope he lives up to the price tag. It's a tall order...I'm not sure I'll think it's worth it until he wins a few (ie more than 2) playoff games for us.

AsUdUdE · Jul 27, 2011

Here is the thing... at first glance I agree it just seems like too much..

But if you really take a minute to evaluate it and accept certain principles (ala Horton's system REQUIRES a CB who can play zone and is responsible many times as the last line of defense) in other words he needs a CB who is a sure tackler...

In reality that is crux of the defense, and I just don't think DRC is that guy... and if Horton saw that and realized while DRC is a good player, he just doesn't fit what he is trying to do...

If we can sign another solid CB, I will feel a lot more comfortable, but if you can accept that DRC's poor mental make-up and tackling abilty would make him a HUGE liability on the defense this year then you can swallow a 2nd round pick for Kolb..

Think about it..

Evil Ash · Jul 27, 2011

AsUdUdE said:
Here is the thing... at first glance I agree it just seems like too much..

But if you really take a minute to evaluate it and accept certain principles (ala Horton's system REQUIRES a CB who can play zone and is responsible many times as the last line of defense) in other words he needs a CB who is a sure tackler...

In reality that is crux of the defense, and I just don't think DRC is that guy... and if Horton saw that and realized while DRC is a good player, he just doesn't fit what he is trying to do...

If we can sign another solid CB, I will feel a lot more comfortable, but if you can accept that DRC's poor mental make-up and tackling abilty would make him a HUGE liability on the defense this year then you can swallow a 2nd round pick for Kolb..

Think about it..

If we sign a good replacement for DRC then this isn't that hefty of a price tag (its basically just trading a 2nd rounder at that point). If not then this was way, way too high

DemsMyBoys · Jul 27, 2011

desertdawg said:
I like leaving the table when they won't budge, then you wait for it, and they usually call you right back to said table.

I'm taking you with next time I buy a car.

Chopper0080 · Jul 27, 2011

Cbus cardsfan said:
I'm fine with it. If he's their guy then they should be doing it.

Agreed, especially because Whis and GRaves have their jobs tied to Kolb if this deal goes through.

Brian in Mesa · Jul 27, 2011

Evil Ash said:
If we sign a good replacement for DRC then this isn't that hefty of a price tag (its basically just trading a 2nd rounder at that point). If not then this was way, way too high

Proteus · Jul 27, 2011

Way to get screwed over Graves.

Gaddabout · Jul 27, 2011

The rumor on the East Coast is Adrian Wilson, other D vets, had issues with DRC and he was on the block whether or not the Cards acquired Kolb.

Shane · Jul 27, 2011

The price is high. But if we make all the signings we hope for tomorrow nobody will care. Especially IF Kolb turns into real deal! We will all be doing cartwheels!

ASUCHRIS · Jul 27, 2011

1. QB Kevin Kolb

Eagles head coach Andy Reid knows how to get his quarterbacks to effectively manage their risk-taking tendencies. For proof, consider the fact that when McNabb left Philadelphia, he did so with the third-lowest interception percentage in NFL history.

Kolb has been under Reid's tutelage for four years now, yet he still hasn't been able to get his risk-taking under control. His 4.0 percent bad-decision rate (defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads to a turnover or a near-turnover) was tied for the third-highest mark in the league.

If Reid could not coach this tendency out of Kolb, it is hard to believe any other coach will be able to do so. Put that together with the high contract and draft pick prices he is all but certain to command and it makes Kolb the riskiest acquisition of the 2011 offseason.

Joyner analysis of Kolb...pretty scary stuff.

Gaddabout · Jul 27, 2011

ASUCHRIS said:
1. QB Kevin Kolb

Eagles head coach Andy Reid knows how to get his quarterbacks to effectively manage their risk-taking tendencies. For proof, consider the fact that when McNabb left Philadelphia, he did so with the third-lowest interception percentage in NFL history.

Kolb has been under Reid's tutelage for four years now, yet he still hasn't been able to get his risk-taking under control. His 4.0 percent bad-decision rate (defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads to a turnover or a near-turnover) was tied for the third-highest mark in the league.

If Reid could not coach this tendency out of Kolb, it is hard to believe any other coach will be able to do so. Put that together with the high contract and draft pick prices he is all but certain to command and it makes Kolb the riskiest acquisition of the 2011 offseason.

Joyner analysis of Kolb...pretty scary stuff.

I'm not a fan of Kolb and in no small part because of his TD/INT ratio, but that bad-decision rate stat is garbage, IMO. Great QBs take risks and make them work. It's not a bad decision if it leads to a TD. Bad decisions aren't something that can be measured properly by a metric. They're best measured by a knowledgable coach who knows the offensive and defensive schemes and watched all the film. Even then, it's possible only the QB and the offensive staff know what was really a good or bad decision. There are far too many variables there.

CtCardinals78 · Jul 27, 2011

ASUCHRIS said:
1. QB Kevin Kolb

Eagles head coach Andy Reid knows how to get his quarterbacks to effectively manage their risk-taking tendencies. For proof, consider the fact that when McNabb left Philadelphia, he did so with the third-lowest interception percentage in NFL history.

Kolb has been under Reid's tutelage for four years now, yet he still hasn't been able to get his risk-taking under control. His 4.0 percent bad-decision rate (defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads to a turnover or a near-turnover) was tied for the third-highest mark in the league.

If Reid could not coach this tendency out of Kolb, it is hard to believe any other coach will be able to do so. Put that together with the high contract and draft pick prices he is all but certain to command and it makes Kolb the riskiest acquisition of the 2011 offseason.

Joyner analysis of Kolb...pretty scary stuff.

The Cards will just have to coach the Philadelphia out of him

Gaddabout · Jul 27, 2011

CtCardinals78 said:
The Cards will just have to coach the Philadelphia out of him

There is something to be said about the challenge of an Andy Reid QB going elsewhere. I wouldn't expect him to be better prepared going someplace else.

Jersey Girl · Jul 27, 2011

Evil Ash said:
If we sign a good replacement for DRC then this isn't that hefty of a price tag (its basically just trading a 2nd rounder at that point). If not then this was way, way too high

This.

I think this is a bad move. I hope you guys can tell me I was wrong every week for the next five years.

Shane · Jul 27, 2011

Jersey Girl said:
This.

I think this is a bad move. I hope you guys can tell me I was wrong every week for the next five years.

You are a Debbie downer

Gaddabout · Jul 27, 2011

Jersey Girl said:
This.

I think this is a bad move. I hope you guys can tell me I was wrong every week for the next five years.

Is it possible Cards fans have overvalued DRC?

AZ Native · Jul 27, 2011

Matt Self said:
The rumor on the East Coast is Adrian Wilson, other D vets, had issues with DRC and he was on the block whether or not the Cards acquired Kolb.

I see Horton behind thisl

ActingWild · Jul 27, 2011

Brian in Mesa said:
I was really looking forward to having (potentially) TWO shutdown corners.

Me too. The only way I can stomach this deal going through is if we have Joseph or Asomugha signed. Otherwise, UUUGH!

Buckybird · Jul 27, 2011

Hey, we can't draft a damn good QB so we might as well trade for one & see what happens!!!

LoyaltyisaCurse · Jul 27, 2011

Phi Loves Fleecing Graves, Just Look At Last Offseason.

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