The Season The Future; The 2009 Suns

[AsUdUdE]

I was reading Bill Simmons new article today, and came across a segement which he was talking about the Knicks not having their 2010 1st round pick this year, and how most knick fans don't know this because it was part of the Marbury deal 6 years ago...

For a few seconds I got really stoked, thinking somehow, SOMEWAY, I had missed this fact, and for ONCE the Suns would have made a smart savvy basketball move..

Alas, checking NBAdraft.net, confirmed we sent the pick which could and should be a top 8 pick next year for the Utah Jazz to take the remaining 4 months of Googs' salary that year, because Sarver refused to pay it.. (and yes Sarver made that decision, because it was part of the deal in order to get him to buy the team)...

Bill concludes that that trade still haunts the knicks, but in reality, outside of signing Nash (which was obviously a great move), we did nothing with the other assets but screw them up or give them away....

SO here is to the 2009-10 Suns season, PLEASE PLEASE be competitve, because the writing is on the wall, the door is closing, and the light is flickering.... We have the worst looking future in the NBA and it is not even close, so hopefully we win now and enjoy, and then brace for tomorrow...

 

[slinslin]

Haha yeah nice.. we could have our own lotto pick and the Knicks lotto pick..

Instead we have to watch another run and gun season with a playoff exit with nothing to look forward to in the future.

Just imagine if we had simply held on to our picks instead of selling them to sign other players and then sell more picks to get rid off them again...

Joe Johnson, Andre Iguodala, Rajon Rondo, Nate Robinson and many more...Plus the fact that we could have taken Chris Paul or Deron Williams the year after we traded the Iguodala pick to sign Q-Rich plus Nash if only we accepted one rebuilding season..

Plus we could have traded Marion for a center like Camby or Chandler because we would have still had Johnson, Amare and Iguodala.

 

[Griffin]

There have been so many bad, financially-motivated deals since JC decided to sell the team that I have lost count. To think how good we had it before Sarver when bad trades were at least made with good intentions.

 

[krazyasiankid]

Joe Johnson, Andre Iguodala, Rajon Rondo, Nate Robinson and many more....

.... David Lee, Luol Deng, (potentially) Danny Granger... and that is just the picks we gave(sold) away... Doesnt count the picks we HAD, but screwed up...e.g Picking RoLo over Courtney Lee...

do you want me to continue? lol

 

[slinslin]

There have been so many bad, financially-motivated deals since JC decided to sell the team that I have lost count. To think how good we had it before Sarver when bad trades were at least made with good intentions.

BC started it all with the Googs trade, Nash signing, #7 pick trade to sign Q...

 

[AsUdUdE]

If the suns surprise the league and can compete at a high level this year, it will help some of the sting go away, and much will be forgiven especially with a Championship...

If they miss the playoffs this year, it will be the single most depressing situation of my sports life...

Ladies and Gentleman your 2009-10 Phoenix Suns

 

[Bufalay]

They should've resigned Gugliotta to a max contract.

 

[dodie53]

if if if if

 

[green machine]

Yeah the Googs trade was done under JC's watch, not Sarver's. Colangelo was trying to trim payroll to make selling the team easier, but to say it was Sarver's decision before he even owned the team seems a bit off.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Yeah the Googs trade was done under JC's watch, not Sarver's. Colangelo was trying to trim payroll to make selling the team easier, but to say it was Sarver's decision before he even owned the team seems a bit off.

I didn't mean to say Sarver had the final say, but from I understand, at the time, Sarver was already in major discussions for the suns, and getting rid of Googs' remaining salary that year was something he insisted on before agreeing to finalize the deal, (because he would have been responsible for much of the back contract of googs at the time, because of the 201 Million in team debt he was to incur)...

SO in the end, Sarver didn't make the desicion, but influenced it, either way, it ridiculous, and the Suns are THE ONLY FRANCHISE THAT WOULD DO THAT...

The point of it is regardless of the way the suns have been run into the ground, and a once promising future is bleak (and that is being kind)... this season is huge for the Suns, period...

Without a draft pick this year, we have no hope and no optimism for the future, all we have is tonight @LAC...

All we have is this season...

 

[AsUdUdE]

We should have all seen it coming... In an interview the day after he purchased the Suns:

..

Sarver, who lives near San Diego, said he would take his wife and three young boys to a Red Robin restaurant to celebrate completion of the sale.

"I may even splurge and get a chocolate milkshake," he said.

..

who knew just how true this statement would prove 5 years later, in speaking about Sarver and how he would run his NBA franchise..

I think I am going to be sick...

 

[green machine]

SO in the end, Sarver didn't make the desicion, but influenced it, either way, it ridiculous, and the Suns are THE ONLY FRANCHISE THAT WOULD DO THAT...

That is just plain not true. The Grizzlies sold Pau Gasol for nothing, pretty sure the Hornets are trimming payroll. I'm not sure who else has been sold or is looking to sell, but teams selling off assets before a sale is nothing new and certainly not something the Suns and Sarver have invented.

 

[HooverDam]

I know people dont want the Suns to go into the lottery this year because itll be painful to watch OKC get their pick, but it really doesn't effect the Suns either way. OKCs window will open while the Suns is closed and the Suns dont have the pick either way, so it doesn't really matter at this point.

I hope the Suns make the playoffs of course, but not because I think theyll win the title. Just because hopefully itll give guys like Earl Clark and Dudley (and to a lesser degree LB) more playing time together and maybe they can grow.

If the Suns do end up missing the playoffs I wish nothing but luck to OKC. I like the core they're building and Im of course pulling for Harden to have a great career. Heck Id probably end up laughing (what else could you do?) if the Suns miss the playoffs, OKC gets the #1 pick and takes some franchise big man who sets up OKC for years to come.

 

[AsUdUdE]

That is just plain not true. The Grizzlies sold Pau Gasol for nothing, pretty sure the Hornets are trimming payroll. I'm not sure who else has been sold or is looking to sell, but teams selling off assets before a sale is nothing new and certainly not something the Suns and Sarver have invented.

The Griz did give Gasol away.... but when is the last time a franchise sold as many top picks, or traded top picks and players for basically nothing...

Lets not forget the Googs trade, it was not like we were stuck with ahim for 4 more years at 8 Million per... we only had 4 more MONTHS, and we traded mulitple draft picks...

The KT deal, he had one year left, it is not like we were trading Dampier's 10 illion dollar deal for the next 4... we traded an expiering contract that could have been VERY VAULEABLE at that coming years Trade Deadline (IE EXACTLY what OKC did get at the Trade dealine FOR KT)..

Saying that the Suns are just like every other franchise when it comes to bone headed basketball moves is just plain not true.. There is a reason that they are the laughing stock of NBA front offices...

Are they in better shape than some teams like the Griz.. Sure, will they be in 5 years when all these bone headed moves finally catches up... Not at all....

Which is why we have THIS year.... To root for something special, because the Future is something to fear rather than embrace...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That is just plain not true. The Grizzlies sold Pau Gasol for nothing, pretty sure the Hornets are trimming payroll. I'm not sure who else has been sold or is looking to sell, but teams selling off assets before a sale is nothing new and certainly not something the Suns and Sarver have invented.

Actually Marc Gasol is going to be a pretty good player for the Grizz.

If this organization had the foresight acquire some decent young talent like that in our fire sales this team's future would look mugh, much brighter.

 

[Maligzar]

Please take a look at the Phoenix Coyotes if you want to see what happens when a franchise acts like it's owned by fans and spends money without any regard.

We had our Championship window under Sarver and we'll probobly have it again. Our window was from the start of the 2005 season, until the end of the 2007 season. At any port during that time we could have won a championship. We had all the right pieces, but "that's why they play the games" and we lost. From JJ's face being broken to the suspensions.

Sarver has made some bad decisions. However, those who continue to act like there is no difference between 4 million and 15 million; who act like paying a guy 4 million dollars so you have a chance at another franchises draft pick (most of which turnout to be worthless) should be a no-brainer really need to take a moment and gut check.

Some of your statements are absolutely ridiculous. Like any of you have inside knowledge on the inner financial negotiations of the franchsie. ****. The constant bashing of Sarver and messification of Colangelo is embarassing as a fellow Suns fan. It's like you guys forget who gave Marbury that ridiculous contract to begin with.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Please take a look at the Phoenix Coyotes if you want to see what happens when a franchise acts like it's owned by fans and spends money without any regard.

We had our Championship window under Sarver and we'll probobly have it again. Our window was from the start of the 2005 season, until the end of the 2007 season. At any port during that time we could have won a championship. We had all the right pieces, but "that's why they play the games" and we lost. From JJ's face being broken to the suspensions.

Sarver has made some bad decisions. However, those who continue to act like there is no difference between 4 million and 15 million; who act like paying a guy 4 million dollars so you have a chance at another franchises draft pick (most of which turnout to be worthless) should be a no-brainer really need to take a moment and gut check.

Some of your statements are absolutely ridiculous. Like any of you have inside knowledge on the inner financial negotiations of the franchsie. ****. The constant bashing of Sarver and messification of Colangelo is embarassing as a fellow Suns fan. It's like you guys forget who gave Marbury that ridiculous contract to begin with.

Its statements like that, that makes it hard for anyone on this board to take you seriously..

You have proved time and time again that you are in Sarver's corner, no matter what... But to say that "most" draftpicks turn out worthless is short sided and ignorant...

DO all? absolutely not, but the assets that Sarver has soo willingly sold, it a disgrace to all suns fans.. That is not an opinion, it is a fact, he has done such a piss poor job at running the suns, the "what ifs" are 2 miles long...

Trading KT AND 2 DRAFT PICKS... when KT was THEN TRADED for Francisco Elson, Brent Barry and the Spurs' 2009 first round draft pick just 4 months later....

So please don't sit on your pirch all high and mirghty and talk about how suns fans should be gratefull that Sarver is running the team and how the Suns are in a better position since he took the helm... It is ridiculous

The bottom line is HE has taken much of the future from the suns... Ask any knowledgeable suns fan about the future, you will not got very many positive responses... That is why this year is so important, THIS YEAR... period

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Sarver sucks all the way from his meddling ways to his finger-waving douchebaggery. People hate working for the suns these days which was never the case in the Colangelo years. The guy's a clown.

I also think Kerr's vilification has been a bit unfair. Granted he's made some poor moves but he's also made the right ones and considering he took over when the window was already shut he's done a decent job keeping this franchise from drowning. He's been mediocre, not the disaster everyone else makes him out to be.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Sarver sucks all the way from his meddling ways to his finger-waving douchebaggery. People hate working for the suns these days which was never the case in the Colangelo years. The guy's a clown.

I also think Kerr's vilification has been a bit unfair. Granted he's made some poor moves but he's also made the right ones and considering he took over when the window was already shut he's done a decent job keeping this franchise from drowning. He's been mediocre, not the disaster everyone else makes him out to be.

+1

Kerr's biggest problems came from philosophy more than anything.. He wanted to change the Suns' style, so he "fired" (not really but we all know how THAT went down ) D'Antoni and hired a guy that I have erased from memory.. Then traded for Shaq (but to be fair he did get rid of Marcus Banks' ridiculous deal) which was his mistake too...

Outside of those 2 errors, I think all others were "dictated" for lack of a better word by Sarver.. I don't think Kerr is a bottom 5 GM in the league, like Sarver is an Owner...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I could care less about getting rid of D'Antoni. All the guy did was the roll the ball out to Steve Nash, refuse to develop youth, and incessantly cry to the officials. He'll get canned in NY within the next 24 months. The Shaq trade in retorspect was the right one. This team wasn't winning under the old style and O'Neal considerably outperformed Marion post-trade.

 

[slinslin]

Changing philosophies was the right thing, Kerr just failed when he gave up on changing things half a year later already and going back to where we were before...

Maybe it wasn't his choice however maybe ownership and team was pressing him hard to get back and he or the whole staff didnt have the guts to completely rebuild..

 

[HooverDam]

O'Neal considerably outperformed Marion post-trade.

But thats entirely meaningless. You cant just compare what they did post trade as if they are equal or comparable situations. The Shaq trade was ********, look at their pre and post trade records. They traded away what made them special for a silly, short sighted plan.

Kerr has been a disaster and is one of the top 5 worst GMs in the league. The KT trade alone should tell you that, its one of the worst trades if not the worst in the history of the organization. They traded a good player, and TWO picks for nothing. Now that McHale isn't a GM anymore Kerr will likely become the laughing stock of NBA GMs.