The Suns r preparing to lose Amare (report)

[Cheesebeef]

Bottom line is... you were contenders when the big change came. No, you did not make the finals prior, but you were in the hunt.

no we weren't. we were contenders with KT and JR as depth, but with zero big men and a lack of shooters, that team last year with Marion was a complete fraud and got proved as such every time they played someone good in the West.

the blunder was moving KT and JR. that's what killed the team. Those were the first two dominoes that dropped and everything after that was just the line coming crashing down.

but continue on with your bitter bashing of the big fella. It's not his fault that Sarvkerr gutted the middle of the team and it's spacing by getting rid of KT and JR and then had to scramble to make up for those blunders after.

and if this team didn't have a complete moron who acts more like Mr. Potato head than a head coach, they'd be a hell of a lot better as well. But the Suns went cheap with the coach and now they're getting what they paid for.

 

[Mainstreet]

It was a mistake then and it is now. You traded your best defensive player for a guy who did not fit the system and players on your team. Yes he has had a good first half of the year... but lets not forget, he's taking off many games and its still just halfway through the year. Who is to say he wont break down or slow up as the year winds done? Not to mention the 20 million price tag. If he continues to play at this level the facts still remain that the team is divided between the slow down feed the post faction and the run and gun one. If you were able to completely retool around Shaq then thats another story but that takes time. A lot more time than he has left.

Bottom line is... you were contenders when the big change came. No, you did not make the finals prior, but you were in the hunt. Now your not even in the playoffs. So it baffles me why you would feel it odd that people would say it was the biggest mistake. The poll was not asking who between the two has played better. It was what was Suns biggest mistake.... and bringing in Shaq (without retooling) was it. Also, do not forget there was no indication that Shaq would come back this year as good as he has.... so completely retooling around him would have been a gamble at best.

Let's do a do-over and leave out Banks. I know it's madness. A healthy Shaq does fit in Miami and Riley knows how to play him. Marion should be happy with the Suns since he knows he is not the man.

 

[cobbler]

no we weren't. we were contenders with KT and JR as depth, but with zero big men and a lack of shooters, that team last year with Marion was a complete fraud and got proved as such every time they played someone good in the West.

the blunder was moving KT and JR. that's what killed the team. Those were the first two dominoes that dropped and everything after that was just the line coming crashing down.

but continue on with your bitter bashing of the big fella. It's not his fault that Sarvkerr gutted the middle of the team and it's spacing by getting rid of KT and JR and then had to scramble to make up for those blunders after.

and if this team didn't have a complete moron who acts more like Mr. Potato head than a head coach, they'd be a hell of a lot better as well. But the Suns went cheap with the coach and now they're getting what they paid for.

How exactly did I bitterly bash Shaq in my post? By acknowledging that he is having a great year and the team didn't build around him? You are a fool.

 

[cly2tw]

Penny pinching? You do realize that Banks got a ridiculous contract, right?

Well, penny pinching because Salmons' contract from the Kings was about less than 1mil per year higher than Banks for the same length.

Actually I think Salmons had a spiritual moment as I recall and chose the Kings. I don't think it was about money but he did get a decent contract.

He had a spiritual moment with the Greek God of money I believe and on his advice chose Kings over Raptors over Suns.

 

[mojorizen7]

What was the Suns' biggest mistake?

32% Trading Shawn Marion for Shaq

29% Letting Mike D'Antoni leave

11% Replacing D'Antoni with Terry Porter

11% Trading Bell and Diaw for J Rich

17% Naming Steve Kerr as president
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This one gets my vote.

 

[AfroSuns]

and if this team didn't have a complete moron who acts more like Mr. Potato head than a head coach,

 

[cly2tw]

What was the Suns' biggest mistake?

32% Trading Shawn Marion for Shaq

29% Letting Mike D'Antoni leave

11% Replacing D'Antoni with Terry Porter

11% Trading Bell and Diaw for J Rich

17% Naming Steve Kerr as president
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This one gets my vote.

The replacing DA part or the with Porter part?

 

[mojorizen7]

The replacing DA part or the with Porter part?

..........the wrong guy replaced him.

 

[devilalum]

Getting rid of DA wasn't the mistake, he definitely wasn't getting us anywhere. Kerr just picked the wrong guy to replace him.

Add that to the list of questionable moves and the blame seems to point squarely at one guy.

 

[devilalum]

Or you could just blame Sarver for hiring Kerr because of his UA connection.

 

[devilalum]

Maybe we should blame the University of Arizona!!!

 

[Mainstreet]

Getting rid of DA wasn't the mistake, he definitely wasn't getting us anywhere. Kerr just picked the wrong guy to replace him.

Avoiding the facts I see. I bet most NBA fans around the country would not agree with you. But never mind, this topic always ends in division. Let's let it rest. There is never a winner by reasonable standards. Four full seasons was not enough time IMO.

Add that to the list of questionable moves and the blame seems to point squarely at one guy.

You're right about Kerr and I might add Sarver for not extending Joe Johnson and hiring Kerr.

 

[Mainstreet]

Or you could just blame Sarver for hiring Kerr because of his UA connection.

Sun Devils feel that way for sure.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe we should blame the University of Arizona!!!

That's the link. Just having fun.

 

[Covert Rain]

It was a mistake then and it is now. You traded your best defensive player for a guy who did not fit the system and players on your team. Yes he has had a good first half of the year... but lets not forget, he's taking off many games and its still just halfway through the year. Who is to say he wont break down or slow up as the year winds done? Not to mention the 20 million price tag. If he continues to play at this level the facts still remain that the team is divided between the slow down feed the post faction and the run and gun one. If you were able to completely retool around Shaq then thats another story but that takes time. A lot more time than he has left.

Bottom line is... you were contenders when the big change came. No, you did not make the finals prior, but you were in the hunt. Now your not even in the playoffs. So it baffles me why you would feel it odd that people would say it was the biggest mistake. The poll was not asking who between the two has played better. It was what was Suns biggest mistake.... and bringing in Shaq (without retooling) was it. Also, do not forget there was no indication that Shaq would come back this year as good as he has.... so completely retooling around him would have been a gamble at best.

Hilarious.

Marion was struggling even on defense all last year. He was getting burned by guys he should never have been covering. Maybe you forgot that??? Marion was also reported to be a cancer in the locker room towards then end.

Trading for Shaq was the right thing to do. This team was never going to win a title playing small ball, run and gun offense either. Regardless of what the koolaid drinkers say. This team was a total pretender leading up to the Shaq trade.

Shaq has been fantastic. I would do the trade again. Your right about one thing. This team should have retooled around Shaq. They should not have stopped at Shaq. The problem was that D'Antoni wouldn't have allowed it to happen.

Dude you are so transparent. Anything to take a dig at Shaq or Shaq being on this team.

 

[cobbler]

You know... you never cease to amaze me with your BS digs at me. My point was that you traded for a guy who was completely opposite of what the team was made of. I understand your trading Marion because he was a cancer etc. He may have been getting beat on D but regardless, he was still yout best defender. You could have gotten a player for Marion that better fit your style. You didn't. You went for Shaq. It takes years to retool around a player that completely changes your system. There was no indication Shaq was going to turn it around like he has this year and clearly he is on his last years anyway. Therefore trading for Shaq with no clear plan to quickly build around him was a huge mistake...

and your record and decline into the irrelevant prove it!


...and it has nothing to do with my dislike of Shaq. Facts are facts.

Geeeeeez... you are sure defensive when anything is said about Shaq. I even posted that he's played great but i still think it wasn't the best trade due to the team you had. Im not alone in that view you kinow. Maybe you should stop sniffing Shaq's jock and hand it back to Andrew and take an objective look at how you have gone from a contender to lottery team in a years time. Just because Shaq has been your best player for the year so far doesn't make the trade a good one. What a tool...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You know... you never cease to amaze me with your BS digs at me. My point was that you traded for a guy who was completely opposite of what the team was made of. I understand your trading Marion because he was a cancer etc. He may have been getting beat on D but regardless, he was still yout best defender. You could have gotten a player for Marion that better fit your style. You didn't. You went for Shaq. It takes years to retool around a player that completely changes your system. There was no indication Shaq was going to turn it around like he has this year and clearly he is on his last years anyway. Therefore trading for Shaq with no clear plan to quickly build around him was a huge mistake...

and your record and decline into the irrelevant prove it!


...and it has nothing to do with my dislike of Shaq. Facts are facts.

Geeeeeez... you are sure defensive when anything is said about Shaq. I even posted that he's played great but i still think it wasn't the best trade due to the team you had. Im not alone in that view you kinow. Maybe you should stop sniffing Shaq's jock and hand it back to Andrew and take an objective look at how you have gone from a contender to lottery team in a years time. Just because Shaq has been your best player for the year so far doesn't make the trade a good one. What a tool...

i'm going to save the majority of my words to prove my point and cut right to the chase . . . you're an idiot if you think the trade was a bad one. i'm done here.

 

[cobbler]

i'm going to save the majority of my words to prove my point and cut right to the chase . . . you're an idiot if you think the trade was a bad one. i'm done here.

And your team is in 9th place... I'm done as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

You know... you never cease to amaze me with your BS digs at me. My point was that you traded for a guy who was completely opposite of what the team was made of. I understand your trading Marion because he was a cancer etc. He may have been getting beat on D but regardless, he was still yout best defender. You could have gotten a player for Marion that better fit your style. You didn't. You went for Shaq. It takes years to retool around a player that completely changes your system. There was no indication Shaq was going to turn it around like he has this year and clearly he is on his last years anyway. Therefore trading for Shaq with no clear plan to quickly build around him was a huge mistake...

and your record and decline into the irrelevant prove it!

...and it has nothing to do with my dislike of Shaq. Facts are facts.

Good points, however, I don't think the Suns FO ever thought Shaq would be more than a role player. And it played out that way last season with Amare still the top dog. Who would have thought Shaq had this much gas left in the tank where he would over-shadow Amare this season.

Geeeeeez... you are sure defensive when anything is said about Shaq. I even posted that he's played great but i still think it wasn't the best trade due to the team you had. Im not alone in that view you kinow. Maybe you should stop sniffing Shaq's jock and hand it back to Andrew and take an objective look at how you have gone from a contender to lottery team in a years time. Just because Shaq has been your best player for the year so far doesn't make the trade a good one. What a tool...

Good post except for the cheap shot.

 

[jagu]

If Amare played at half his potential and played to win rather than stats, we'd be better off. That's the fact. He is lazy and a ******* on the court. I'm sick of the Suns team and I want him gone, and I want Porter gone.

 

[nowagimp]

the blunder was moving KT and JR. that's what killed the team. Those were the first two dominoes that dropped and everything after that was just the line coming crashing down.

Yup the most damage was set into motion on those moves. That led to needing a center, which led to trading the most versatile wing defender and needing big time starter minutes from grant Hill. Like a dominoe effect it started it all.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I wouldn't be so sad to see Amare go he is like Owens now thinks he is the number one player in the league and he is far from that. A real powerfoward just doesn't score and amare isn't even do that latley he plays defense, rebounds, and actually trys to block shots. I would be somewhat sad to see Amare depart since i've been following the suns forever but I would deftntally welcome a Amare to detriot trade for Wallace, and Tyshawn Prince. Also after we trade Amare get rid of Porter soon afterwards he has done nothing since being coach here expect making us the 9th seed in the west . But i'm sure something big will happen pretty darn soon can't wait.

 

[Ryanwb]

I wish I could call out Amare to his face right now. Why is he doing this? Has he no self respect?

BTW, WTF are you using "r" in place of "are" come on, grow up

 

[Blackification]

I wish I could call out Amare to his face right now. Why is he doing this? Has he no self respect?

BTW, WTF are you using "r" in place of "are" come on, grow up

what exactly are you talking about?

 

[Ryanwb]

what exactly are you talking about?

How Amare has no self respect, he is mailing it in right now