The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[JCSunsfan]

So. Some thoughts about Sarver liking Doncic over Ayton. It makes a lot more sense than Sarver liking Ayton because of the UofA connection.

Sarver has gone to Europe and watched Doncic at least twice now. He did not just see the games. He saw Luka's face everywhere. He saw rabid Luka fans. He is the great Euro hope for the NBA. What Sarver saw was money, merch, advertising. Let's face it. There are 750 million people in Europe and LOTS of them are Luka fans. He is going to be a cash cow in a way similar to Yao for the Rockets.

Its a business after all.

Sorry Cheese. Your paranoia can build now.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

So. Some thoughts about Sarver liking Doncic over Ayton. It makes a lot more sense than Sarver liking Ayton because of the UofA connection.

Sarver has gone to Europe and watched Doncic at least twice now. He did not just see the games. He saw Luka's face everywhere. He saw rabid Luka fans. He is the great Euro hope for the NBA. What Sarver saw was money, merch, advertising. Let's face it. There are 750 million people in Europe and LOTS of them are Luka fans. He is going to be a cash cow in a way similar to Yao for the Rockets.

Its a business after all.

Sorry Cheese. Your paranoia can build now.

Good post. Hope you don't cut back too much!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I just want the pick made already so I can either be elated or furious.

The limbo for another month is gonna suuuuuck!

Eh I’ll be elated or curious. I don’t think furious will enter my mindset.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I should hope so. It's amazing just how anti- the Doncic and Ayton camps are against each other.

I’m in the Ayton camp and not the least bit anti-Doncic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So. Let's lay aside the Ayton/Luka both draft pipe dream. Let's say Sarver really likes Luka and sees both wins and franchise value in his future with that pick with all those Suns jersies getting shipped to Europe. Would you be highly disappointed if we walked away from this draft with. . .

Luka and Wendell Carter
Luka and JJJr
Luka and Porter Jr.
Luka and Bamba.

Let's say Lukas team can manipulate the draft enough to get him to fall to 3. We take Ayton, Sac balks and take Bagley. Now we offer Ayton for the #3 and Atlanta's unprotected first next year. Luka's people tell Atlanta he will not play for them. I think Atlanta takes that deal.

Now we take that Atlanta pick (or our own) and offer it along with 16 and 31 to move up. If we really want to make that pick valuable, offer the team we trade to the CHOICE of the Atlanta pick our our pick next year. With the new draft odds, that would be VERY tempting for anyone. I think we could move up into the 6-8 range with that offer.

Wendell Carter is just such a solid all around weapon.

 

[BC867]

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I'll say it again. Sarver is an investor. Not a GM or Head Coach. And certainly not the best judge of roster decisions. His egotistical on-court opinions should not be getting publicity.

 

[AzStevenCal]

So. Some thoughts about Sarver liking Doncic over Ayton. It makes a lot more sense than Sarver liking Ayton because of the UofA connection.

Sarver has gone to Europe and watched Doncic at least twice now. He did not just see the games. He saw Luka's face everywhere. He saw rabid Luka fans. He is the great Euro hope for the NBA. What Sarver saw was money, merch, advertising. Let's face it. There are 750 million people in Europe and LOTS of them are Luka fans. He is going to be a cash cow in a way similar to Yao for the Rockets.

Its a business after all.

Sorry Cheese. Your paranoia can build now.

I don't think it will be anywhere close to the Yao situation. He'll be very marketable but he won't draw a fraction of the attention that Yao did. Europe lacks any kind of common identity.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'll say it again. Sarver is an investor. Not a GM or Head Coach. And certainly not the best judge of roster decisions. His egotistical on-court opinions should not be getting publicity.

Maybe so but it's not Sarver that's doing it. There is no credible report out there that suggests he's standing alone on Doncic or likely to overrule the basketball people.

 

[Superbone]

I get where you are coming from. I think Doncic is unique though. An overall very good player..but there is some gamble to him because his game is hard to describe or understand

Doncic's game is more Ben Simmons like.

 

[Superbone]

Just cut back. Not be gone completely.

You definitely can't keep your current pace.

 

[Chaplin]

I’m in the Ayton camp and not the least bit anti-Doncic.

Most of the pro-Doncic crowd is pretty anti-Ayton. They focus on what makes Doncic good and what makes Ayton bad and nothing else.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'll say it again. Sarver is an investor. Not a GM or Head Coach. And certainly not the best judge of roster decisions. His egotistical on-court opinions should not be getting publicity.

Sarver is the managing general partner. He is the CEO of the Suns. He is not just an investor. All the wishing in the world will not make it so. He holds a position that has a job description. He is doing the things that people in those positions do.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

That's a tough guarantee to stand up to. I guarantee they wouldn't want to trade him for a single pick but they don't trade a KAT unless he's unhappy and demanding a trade. At that point, it's no longer strictly about what he's worth.

Maybe someone will offer up a treasure chest of assets but if the guy is as flawed as so many here are saying, why wouldn't they trade him for a prospect that's pegged as a can't miss superstar?

If the Wolves traded KAT straight up for #1, that means even they think Ayton has a better future.

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[HeHasRosen]

If the Wolves traded KAT straight up for #1, that means even they think Ayton has a better future.

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I think most do. Except Sarver apparently. Half the suns fans and Slovenia.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Doncic's game is more Ben Simmons like.

Except he’s two inches shorter and not as athletic... and a better shooter.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If the Wolves traded KAT straight up for #1, that means even they think Ayton has a better future.

Or it could mean they have a very unhappy Towns and they are trying to make the best of a bad situation.

 

[Superbone]

Except he’s two inches shorter and not as athletic... and a better shooter.

I'm just saying he's closer to Simmons than AI or Irving.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm just saying he's closer to Simmons than AI or Irving.

Gotcha.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Or it could mean they have a very unhappy Towns and they are trying to make the best of a bad situation.

Which means they see more in Ayton...either way, if you're the Sun's in that situation, you run for the hills.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't think it will be anywhere close to the Yao situation. He'll be very marketable but he won't draw a fraction of the attention that Yao did. Europe lacks any kind of common identity.

Not to mention, there was ONE Yao and billions of Chinese. There are a myriad of European players in the nba. Many of which are very good. This isn’t the days of Petro.

 

[1tinsoldier]

imo, management is simply milking the spotlight
besides Booker, they've made few good decisions
now they lucked out with the ping pong balls
but if they admit the highest rated pick, Ayton, is their man
they're awarded no credit

despite the noise they're making,
the reason they won't trade for someone like Townes
is the same reason they won't pick Doncic.
they'll be held faultless even if Ayton fails
but if he becomes a superstar
and Townes (or Doncic) is only an All-Star
their decision will be second only to the lost Kareem flip in the history of Suns misforture

in 3 weeks they pick Ayton after attributing it to their "careful consideration of all options"

 

[Western Font]

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/kings-hawks-likely-pass-luka-doncic-draft/

All conjecture. But if the Suns were set on Doncic, I wonder if they’d explore trading down with Sacramento. They’d have to convince SAC that they believe Ayton > Doncic without an additional asset and that they will draft Ayron without it.

I’m still in favour of just taking Ayton, though.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Which means they see more in Ayton...either way, if you're the Sun's in that situation, you run for the hills.

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I don't get it? Rumors are, KAT is unhappy in Minnesota. If he's happy there and the Wolves are willing to trade him for Ayton, you're correct. But if he's demanding a trade, giving him to us for the first pick doesn't say they like Ayton better in any way. Heck, they could take the trade and draft Bamba for all we know.

 

[Cheesebeef]

imo, management is simply milking the spotlight
besides Booker, they've made few good decisions
now they lucked out with the ping pong balls
but if they admit the highest rated pick, Ayton, is their man
they're awarded no credit

despite the noise they're making,
the reason they won't trade for someone like Townes
is the same reason they won't pick Doncic.
they'll be held faultless even if Ayton fails
but if he becomes a superstar
and Townes (or Doncic) is only an All-Star
their decision will be second only to the lost Kareem flip in the history of Suns misforture

in 3 weeks they pick Ayton after attributing it to their "careful consideration of all options"

This makes sense. They’re doing a REALLY good job making us relevant right now. And even though it’s frayed nerves a little, it’s DEFINITELY making the Suns the talk of the basketball town. All said, I hope at the end of the day, the above is spot on.

 

[pokerface]

So. Some thoughts about Sarver liking Doncic over Ayton. It makes a lot more sense than Sarver liking Ayton because of the UofA connection.

Sarver has gone to Europe and watched Doncic at least twice now. He did not just see the games. He saw Luka's face everywhere. He saw rabid Luka fans. He is the great Euro hope for the NBA. What Sarver saw was money, merch, advertising. Let's face it. There are 750 million people in Europe and LOTS of them are Luka fans. He is going to be a cash cow in a way similar to Yao for the Rockets.

Its a business after all.

Sorry Cheese. Your paranoia can build now.

If Sarver really really liked Doncic I wouldn't cut my wrists . I mean let's look at the positives ...

He probably would coexist with Booker nicely

He probably would help get better production out of Bender/Chriss

I think the suns would run more smoothly ...more like a machine

He can play almost any position

He's been improving consistently

He comes across as a winner and clutch...more than Ayton