The Walking Dead (AMC)

[Cheesebeef]

Ratings are LITERALLY the barometer of success in TV, no matter what the genre. And judging from the fact that ratings have continually Declined all the way down to season 3 levels says that episode was a pretty big failure.

Ratings continue to drop...

http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-finale-ratings-low/

 

[BigRedRage]

Lol... you're nothing if not loyal.

Rick's idiotic plans have gotten so many people needlessly killed (and should have gotten many more if not for the hand of God... or extremely suspect writing) that I've stopped counting at this point.

I'd fight for Rick. bad decisions happen, especially in zombie land

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[BigRedRage]

Ratings continue to drop...

http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-finale-ratings-low/

I wonder how the coming primary focus of human vs human goes. It's a natural progression at this point, years into a zombie apocalypse most people still alive have figured out the zombies. I've always been wary of if I'll still enjoy it as much. We'll see.

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[oaken1]

what about that skinny white chick kicking the crap out of michonne?? anyone else call ******** on that?

 

[UncleChris]

what about that skinny white chick kicking the crap out of michonne?? anyone else call ******** on that?

And how about Rick, a trained police officer, standing 2 feet away from Jadis, being unable to disarm her, yet every other member of Rick's group can overcome their adversarial counterparts? As close as they were standing, he could have grabbed her gun and stuffed it up her backside before she knew what was happening: Basic self defense.

And along with what Cheese is saying, why in the world wouldn't Rick have a safety valve or two set up for the trash people. They had minimal contact with them before the big fight and it was clear they were mercenary and not to be fully trusted. A hidden sniper or two seems obvious as a safety measure, but Rick is dumber than a bag of hammers a good deal of the time.

I like this show and I like most of the characters. But they just blew it with this show as the finale.

P.S. I thought I'd puke at the very end where everyone was walking around all normal, handing out apples and the like.

P.P.S. I appreciate extra time with Sasha, being they killed her off.... but it was way too much. I didn't tune in to see "The Sasha Show."

 

[BigRedRage]

Ratings continue to drop...

http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-finale-ratings-low/

After reading this I tried googling what the real ratings were today assuming those numbers would be in. It doesnt appear they are completed but I learned some interesting info in the meantime from 2016:

In the four weeks ending April 10, the Top 25 shows on broadcast and cable (excluding sports telecasts) gathered two-thirds (66 percent) of their seven-day 18-49 ratings and 76 percent of their seven-day total audience the day a show airs (anyone who watches a show by 3 a.m. the following morning is part of the same-day audience).

The number of people who actually sit down to watch when a show starts, however, is considerably lower. Less than half (48 percent) of the Top 25 shows’ 18-49 ratings in those four weeks came from live viewing*, and only four shows in the Top 25 in the time frame — the ACM Awards and three episodes of “Little Big Shots” — earned as much as 67 percent of their rating from live viewing.

Even the season finale of “The Walking Dead,” which you might think fans would want to see unfold in real time, had only 43 percent of its seven-day audience tuning in at 9 p.m. ET on April 3. That was, however, a slightly larger share of the final rating than in the previous two weeks, in which the live audience made up only 37.5 percent of the seven-day total.

In a number of cases, in fact, the biggest DVR gain is not from same-day to Live +3 or Live +3 to Live +7, but from live to live + same-day. The “Walking Dead” finale, for instance, grew 68 percent from live to live + same-day (4.1 to 6.9) and just 32 percent from same-day to Live +3 (6.9 to 9.1).

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dv...g-brings-less-than-half-of-top-shows-ratings/

 

[BigRedRage]

A little more interesting info:

http://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/4/4/15180602/the-walking-dead-finale-ratings-wrestlemania

Now, AMC has to deal with another blow following the show’s less-than-stellar reviews: poor ratings. It should be noted, however, that while the numbers Nielsen released are considered bad for the show, the ratings are not abysmal. The finale brought in just over 11 million viewers when it aired, which may pale in comparison to last season’s numbers, a whopping 14.2 million viewers, but it’s still considered incredibly high.

While some of that slide in viewers can be attributed to lower ratings for the show overall, there is one big event that must be mentioned as its absolutely crucial: WrestleMania. The Walking Dead was competing with wrestling’s biggest event of the year. Last year’s WrestleMania had just over 18 million viewers; and it’s fair to say that there is probably a bit of crossover between those who watch The Walking Dead and those who watch wrestling.

The big question is what does this mean for the show? Nothing, necessarily. Even with 11.3 viewers, The Walking Dead is still one of the most watched shows on television. Plus, this doesn’t include numbers for those who watch it on demand afterward, digital downloads or streaming. For example, Westworld’s finale only got 2.2 million live viewers, while Game of Thrones’ season six finale drew in 8.9. Although Westworld and Game of Thrones are two of HBO’s biggest series, they don’t even come close to The Walking Dead’s numbers. Even on network television, the only show giving The Walking Dead a run for its money is The Big Bang Theory, which is still one of the most watched shows on television. Its season nine finale, which aired last year, brought in just under 20 million viewers.

 

[jf-08]

And how about Rick, a trained police officer, standing 2 feet away from Jadis, being unable to disarm her, yet every other member of Rick's group can overcome their adversarial counterparts? As close as they were standing, he could have grabbed her gun and stuffed it up her backside before she knew what was happening: Basic self defense.

And along with what Cheese is saying, why in the world wouldn't Rick have a safety valve or two set up for the trash people. They had minimal contact with them before the big fight and it was clear they were mercenary and not to be fully trusted. A hidden sniper or two seems obvious as a safety measure, but Rick is dumber than a bag of hammers a good deal of the time.

I like this show and I like most of the characters. But they just blew it with this show as the finale.

P.S. I thought I'd puke at the very end where everyone was walking around all normal, handing out apples and the like.

P.P.S. I appreciate extra time with Sasha, being they killed her off.... but it was way too much. I didn't tune in to see "The Sasha Show."

Agree 100% with everything that you said.

 

[BigRedRage]

found some post live viewing numbers:

And those are just the live-plus-same day ratings. The show is also on top in terms of delayed viewing. Season 7 is averaging 15.5 million viewers per episode in live-plus-three and 16.4 million in live-plus-seven, though those figures do not reflect delayed viewing for the season finale.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/walking-dead-season-7-ratings-1202012456/

15.5 million is incredible on its own. Geez.

 

[BigRedRage]

The figurine Daryl found at the end explained:

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2017/04/03/the-walking-dead-wooden-figurine-daryl-dwight-/

I was wondering what the hell that was.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm not sure how I feel about the finale. Still don't like a lot of the characters (as many do here), but I still love Maggie, Daryl and Carol. I know he gets a lot of hate, but I liked Carl a lot in this episode as well, even though he has have VERY little to do all season. Morgan has finally started to redeem himself also. But Rick and Negan are the worst. The best parts of the episode were when Negan was actually startled and serious (mainly when he was attacked by Zasha and when Rick told him he was already dead).

So I would say I'm closer to indifferent with this episode than negative towards it. And thanks to a giant tiger, a little positive too, even with the cheesy medieval dialogue that Ezekiel shouts.

 

[Covert Rain]

Ratings continue to drop...

http://tvweb.com/walking-dead-season-7-finale-ratings-low/

Oh come on. I know you have an issues with show but that is some cherry picking there. The success of a show is it's ratings is what you said before. The show has been a smash hit from day one. Yes, the ratings are down and I think there is probably multiple reasons.

The show is entering Season 8. Most shows don't make it this far and have a drop off no matter what. Not to mention that very same article you linked says that 11.3 million "That is still a massive number" and the show "it is still a monster hit." and "is still the highest-rated show on TV". Plus DVR and streaming numbers are not in yet and could get to 15 million?!!?

Seriously Cheese, I get what your saying about Rick but it's not even close to the stupidity I see on FTWD or other shows on TV. To me, Rick's decisions just have not been the thorn in my side. It's the stupid setups (i.e. fire fight in the finale) and some other non-nonsensical moments verses character decisions that drive me crazy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh come on. I know you have an issues with show but that is some cherry picking there. The success of a show is it's ratings is what you said before. The show has been a smash hit from day one. Yes, the ratings are down and I think there is probably multiple reasons.

The show is entering Season 8. Most shows don't make it this far and have a drop off no matter what. Not to mention that very same article you linked says that 11.3 million "That is still a massive number" and the show "it is still a monster hit." and "is still the highest-rated show on TV". Plus DVR and streaming numbers are not in yet and could get to 15 million?!!?

Seriously Cheese, I get what your saying about Rick but it's not even close to the stupidity I see on FTWD or other shows on TV. To me, Rick's decisions just have not been the thorn in my side. It's the stupid setups (i.e. fire fight in the finale) and some other non-nonsensical moments verses character decisions that drive me crazy.

The show has lost SEVEN MILLION viewers from Season Premiere to Finale... that's seven million within ONE season. I think that speaks volumes as to how good the season has been.

And agree to disagree on Rick. Remember his genius plan with zombies in the quarry that got half of Alexandria killed? That was another master stroke.

 

[Covert Rain]

The show has lost SEVEN MILLION viewers from Season Premiere to Finale... that's seven million within ONE season. I think that speaks volumes as to how good the season has been.

And agree to disagree on Rick. Remember his genius plan with zombies in the quarry that got half of Alexandria killed? That was another master stroke.

Yes but you are acting like it's now the worst ratings wise show in TV. It's the opposite even with the drop off.

So ratings wise it's great just not as great.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes but you are acting like it's now the worst ratings wise show in TV. It's the opposite even with the drop off.

So ratings wise it's great just not as great.

uh... no. I'm not acting like that at all and to be honest, it's annoying that you event went there. You and BigRed called the Season Premiere "horror gold" and in response to that, I've been arguing it was anything but, pointing to ratings plummeting since then. Sure the ratings are still great, but if you think the exec's aren't starting to worry about a FORTY percent drop over the course of a single season, you simply don't understand TV. This isn't a case of a show losing ratings over a sustained period of time. This is a case of a show at it's absolute peak losing 7 MILLION viewers in one season. if that's what you get from "gold", I'd hate to see what happens with a pile of crap.

 

[Covert Rain]

uh... no. I'm not acting like that at all and to be honest, it's annoying that you event went there. You and BigRed called the Season Premiere "horror gold" and in response to that, I've been arguing it was anything but, pointing to ratings plummeting since then. Sure the ratings are still great, but if you think the exec's aren't starting to worry about a FORTY percent drop over the course of a single season, you simply don't understand TV. This isn't a case of a show losing ratings over a sustained period of time. This is a case of a show at it's absolute peak losing 7 MILLION viewers in one season. if that's what you get from "gold", I'd hate to see what happens with a pile of crap.

I am sure they don't like the drop but it sounds like the drop is going to be much less than you thought with DVR and streaming numbers. Nobody is arguing that a drop isn't concerning. However, at the end of the day you are still number one. That's a far cry from hitting the panic button because you are on the bubble or on the verge of cancellation.

To me it just sounded like you are all doom and gloom. Sorry if that was misinterpreted.

 

[BigRedRage]

The show has lost SEVEN MILLION viewers from Season Premiere to Finale... that's seven million within ONE season. I think that speaks volumes as to how good the season has been.

And agree to disagree on Rick. Remember his genius plan with zombies in the quarry that got half of Alexandria killed? That was another master stroke.

How many people watched the premier? The finale 7 day is at 15 million


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[Covert Rain]

How many people watched the premier? The finale 7 day is at 15 million


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The show peaked at 15.8 million in season 5. If that number is correct the final numbers are not bad at all.

 

[BigRedRage]

uh... no. I'm not acting like that at all and to be honest, it's annoying that you event went there. You and BigRed called the Season Premiere "horror gold" and in response to that, I've been arguing it was anything but, pointing to ratings plummeting since then. Sure the ratings are still great, but if you think the exec's aren't starting to worry about a FORTY percent drop over the course of a single season, you simply don't understand TV. This isn't a case of a show losing ratings over a sustained period of time. This is a case of a show at it's absolute peak losing 7 MILLION viewers in one season. if that's what you get from "gold", I'd hate to see what happens with a pile of crap.

You can disagree all you want, I don't claim to be an expert or understand why me calling brains dropping off of a bat horror gold is such an insult to you.

I like violent horror, that was absolutely brutal and the brains dripping off the bat is still in my head and makes me want to watch the episode again. Just because I feel that way shouldn't have you still in a tizzy this much later.

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[Covert Rain]

You can disagree all you want, I don't claim to be an expert or understand why me calling brains dropping off of a bat horror gold is such an insult to you.

I like violent horror, that was absolutely brutal and the brains dripping off the bat is still in my head and makes me want to watch the episode again. Just because I feel that way shouldn't have you still in a tizzy this much later.

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This. Gory horror is a niche viewership anyway. Why would it shock me that it could have turned off casual fans?!? Doesn't mean it wasn't horror gold. Just means it didn't appeal to the casual fans that probably make up a sizable chunk of viewership.

 

[BigRedRage]

The show peaked at 15.8 million in season 5. If that number is correct the final numbers are not bad at all.

I posted a link to it a few posts ago in the thread. I think these articles, like the rest of the internet, just like to piss on the show. They are purposely writing negative headlines about the show and then inside the article clearly state that it's missing a huge chunk of views that will watch over the next few days and how TWD goes against a lot of the stiffest possible competition of Sunday night TV so people frequently dvr it.

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[BigRedRage]

This. Gory horror is a niche viewership anyway. Why would it shock me that it could have turned off casual fans?!? Doesn't mean it wasn't horror gold. Just means it didn't appeal to the casual fans that probably make up a sizable chunk of viewership.

That's exactly what I think too, glad I'm not alone. I guarantee massive casual mainstream type viewers felt uneasy watching something so brutal and stopped watching. Hell, some in this thread said just that. The show is so big that it sucks in people who aren't really in to these genres

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[chickenhead]

Can we at least all agree that Rick is the worst decision maker on TV?

Worst decision of this episode goes to Shiva. Why maul the guy next to Negan? Cats just never do what you want them to.

 

[Chaplin]

To be fair, in context, the ratings are pretty low FOR WALKING DEAD. They are not low for pretty much everything else. While I halfway agree with Cheese and Covert/BigRed, I think next season will be a much better gauge of just how bad the show can be. As you said, it's still ratings gold, even now, but if this downward trend continues, we could see only 4-5 million viewers by the end of next season. And THAT is extremely alarming to AMC, considering they don't have much else to replace such a ratings juggernaut.

 

[BigRedRage]

To be fair, in context, the ratings are pretty low FOR WALKING DEAD. They are not low for pretty much everything else. While I halfway agree with Cheese and Covert/BigRed, I think next season will be a much better gauge of just how bad the show can be. As you said, it's still ratings gold, even now, but if this downward trend continues, we could see only 4-5 million viewers by the end of next season. And THAT is extremely alarming to AMC, considering they don't have much else to replace such a ratings juggernaut.

FYI

And those are just the live-plus-same day ratings. The show is also on top in terms of delayed viewing. Season 7 is averaging 15.5 million viewers per episode in live-plus-three and 16.4 million in live-plus-seven, though those figures do not reflect delayed viewing for the season finale.

https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/walking-dead-season-7-ratings-1202012456/