The Way the Draft Picks 1-7 should go Down

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1. Chiefs: Luke Joeckel, OT, A&M - Shouldn't be any question here really. They are going to pay the FA injured LT Branden Albert or use the franchise tag on him for they will probably use that on Dwayne Bowe. They have probably the surest player in the draft in Joeckel to fill that need and shouldn't pass on him.

2. Jaguars: Demontre Moore, DE, A&M - Lots of DEs at the top of everyone's boards to fill the Jags need they have had for years now. They won't let another year go by without addressing their problems. I believe Moore is the best of the lot and would be surprised if the Jags find any reason not to agree with me and many others.

3. Raiders: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah - This is the hardest to figure, not only because it is the Raiders, but also because they have needs everywhere. Since Al Davis isn't around anymore, I believe they will pick the highest ranked player that looks to be a sure Star in the NFL.

4. Eagles: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama - The Eagles have more needs on D than on offense. However, I am going to say they make the first surprise pick in the draft due to their new coach's penchant for the running game, and need to help Vick stay upright.

5. Lions: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State - This is like playing spin the bottle on this pick. The Lions have to get a DE here and there are still 3 who warrant this high a pick after Moore was taken. I am going to guess here and say they go with Werner to blend in with their powerful DTs the best.

6. Browns: Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia - I think the Browns will be ecstatic to find Jones on the board for them and will see him as the answer to their defensive woes.

7. Cardinals: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama or Kenny Vaccaro, FS, Texas - This will be the surprise of the draft to this point. It will be fun to see Mel Kiper react to this one. The reasoning is simple however, as I go to my own Cardinal Big Board to make this BPA pick. With Joeckel and Warmack off the board the Cards will be looking to get the best value with their pick. Let's start at Safety first: With Rhodes and Wilson future dicey at best, the Cards will have to be making some major financial decisions regarding the position of safety. And with the young QBs in the NFCW, this is not a position to be weak at. Cards have a chance to pick up a great answer at safety for the next few years, making the pick of Vaccaro a wise cost effective pick. Now, as far as them picking Milliner instead, they again are going to have to address the depth issue at CB in a great passing NFCW. Milliner would make their D instantly better and give them one of the very best corner combos for years to come. Both of these players fit perfectly value wise with the 7th overall pick and address one of two issues mostly overlooked by their offensive needs, which they will obviously be addressing throughout the draft.

Personally between the two, Milliner and Vaccaro, I believe Vaccaro is a surer bet. I don't see any reason not to expect him to be a future all pro, and the nicest thing of all is that he is very capable of playing all 3 DB positions effectively. He is truly the stud of the DBs in the draft and will make a great replacement for our all pro Adrian Wilson in the near future.
 

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Dion Jordan > Dee Milliner or Kenny Vaccaro

Throwing an elite pass rusher into the mix will make our secondary much much better.
 

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I can't see Warmack going top five. 10 to 15 yes. I think if we don't take Fisher or Warmack then we go pass rusher. Jarvis Jones is my favorite pick for defense. I think he is the best pass rusher in this draft.
 

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I like Kenny V but hes in no way NO WAY #7 overall material.


Keep in mind: Eric Berry (one of the top safety talents drafted since maybe Ed Reed) went 5th overall.

Kenny V Wouldnt be Berrys backups backups backups backup. Thats how gapped they are in ability.

NO WAY..


Uf we were in the late teens, sure, Id take him. 7? Never
 

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I like Kenny V but hes in no way NO WAY #7 overall material.


Keep in mind: Eric Berry (one of the top safety talents drafted since maybe Ed Reed) went 5th overall.

Kenny V Wouldnt be Berrys backups backups backups backup. Thats how gapped they are in ability.

NO WAY..


Uf we were in the late teens, sure, Id take him. 7? Never

I wouldn't go that far lol... but there's definitely a gap.
 

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I wouldn't go that far lol... but there's definitely a gap.

If we are comparing him to Berry, yes it is.


The only reason I brought up EB is because he went 5th, and there was the suggestion that KV go 7th. So thats the closest comparison.


Eric Berry isnt nearly on the level of Antrel back when we took him (8th). Again, I like KV. But no where near top 10. Hes not even as good as Mark BArron last year.

Didn't Milliner already announce that he's having surgery soon??

Overrated.

Had he been in last years draft, hed be the 3rd best CB. (Behind Gilmore and Claiborne) You want to use a top 10 pick on the 3rd best option at that position?
 

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I will break things if we draft Kenny Vaccaro with the 7th overall pick and Arians and Keim will break the guy in two responsible for turning in our draft selection if this was the case...and I have watched Vaccaro play his whole tenure at college :)
 
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If we are comparing him to Berry, yes it is.


The only reason I brought up EB is because he went 5th, and there was the suggestion that KV go 7th. So thats the closest comparison.


Eric Berry isnt nearly on the level of Antrel back when we took him (8th). Again, I like KV. But no where near top 10. Hes not even as good as Mark BArron last year.

I agree with you. Vaccaro is a late 1st round to early 2nd (where he was originally projected) IMO.
 

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I can't see Warmack going top five. 10 to 15 yes. I think if we don't take Fisher or Warmack then we go pass rusher. Jarvis Jones is my favorite pick for defense. I think he is the best pass rusher in this draft.
Jones was the best college pass rusher and I like him. But I'm starting to think Jordan and Ansah get picked before him because they are bigger, every bit as athletic, maybe even more athletic, and have higher ceilings. I could see Jordan going to Philly with Chip, Ansah to Detroit, and Jones to Cleveland, which would really suck for the Cards if they wanted a pass rusher.
 

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Give Fisher to the Cards PLZ. And Warmack will not go that high

Why couldn't he go that high? Because he's a guard? Non sense. He's BPA AND fills a need for the Eagles. He's probably the safest pick in the entire draft, so why not? Just because history shows guards being drafted late, doesn't mean one can't get drafted early.


Eric Fisher? The guy that sky rocketed up the draft board because..

A) Taylor Lewan and Jake Matthews opted out of the draft
B) He did well in drills against a bunch of scrubs at the Senior Bowl

His only competition was Alex Okafor and Datone Jones (which their battles in practice went both ways). He's a mid 20 pick in my eyes. No thank you!
 

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Why couldn't he go that high? Because he's a guard? Non sense. He's BPA AND fills a need for the Eagles. He's probably the safest pick in the entire draft, so why not? Just because history shows guards being drafted late, doesn't mean one can't get drafted early.


Eric Fisher? The guy that sky rocketed up the draft board because..

A) Taylor Lewan and Jake Matthews opted out of the draft
B) He did well in drills against a bunch of scrubs at the Senior Bowl

His only competition was Alex Okafor and Datone Jones (which their battles in practice went both ways). He's a mid 20 pick in my eyes. No thank you!

He did EXTREMELY WELL. Most draft boards have him top 7 now, at least top 10. He moves better than Mathews does who projects as a top RT. Lewan was the one who was a little over rated. We'll see which one turns out to be the better pro. Bottom line is he's not a stretch where we are. But I'll be happy with either him or Warmack.
 

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Eric Fisher has the potential to be a elite left tackle.

I was talking about pass rusher vs defensive back.

Sure he does, but Warmack would be the better (and safer) pick.
 

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I will break things if we draft Kenny Vaccaro with the 7th overall pick and Arians and Keim will break the guy in two responsible for turning in our draft selection if this was the case...and I have watched Vaccaro play his whole tenure at college :)

I'm with you. Even if Vaccaro reminds me of Adrian Wilson in the way he plays and tackles.

If its a Longhorn Okafor is the better choice. 6'5" 260 on one side behind the 6'8" Campbell; try throwing over that. Acho at 6'3" 260 moves to the other. I'd like it. But I don't see it happening.
 

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I see all these top 10 mocks and just shake my head in disgust. I see every team taking an elite, high ceiling, potential difference maker like Joeckel, Werner, Jones, Jordan, Milliner, Moore, Lotulelei, Warmack, and even Mingo. Then, I see the Cards selecting a MAC OT in Fisher :barf:. He's a pretty pedestrain athlete that is a questionable late 1st round talent. Nobody even heard of this guy from perrenial power, Central Michiagn, until the Senior Bowl. Hell, I think Reid Fragel from Ohio State is a better, or as good as, prospect than Fisher and he's only played one year of OT.

I'm telling you, you don't take athlete's from the MAC conference in the top 10 of the draft. Without looking it up, name 1 defensive line prospect that Fisher has faced. I follow college prospects as much as many people and I can't even begin to think of a guy he faced that will even play in the NFL, much less a top talent.

As for his good Senior Bowl, I just went back and looked at the North roster. I almost willing to bet the entire roster, DE/OLB's, he faced doesn't COMBINE for 100 career NFL sacks, maybe even 50. Khaseem Greene, Alex Okafor, Donte Jones, and Margus Hunt are the only guys that could be eventual starters in the NFL. None of them are 1st round talents and only Jones, to me, shows the potential to be a top pass rusher.
 

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I see all these top 10 mocks and just shake my head in disgust. I see every team taking an elite, high ceiling, potential difference maker like Joeckel, Werner, Jones, Jordan, Milliner, Moore, Lotulelei, Warmack, and even Mingo. Then, I see the Cards selecting a MAC OT in Fisher :barf:. He's a pretty pedestrain athlete that is a questionable late 1st round talent. Nobody even heard of this guy from perrenial power, Central Michiagn, until the Senior Bowl. Hell, I think Reid Fragel from Ohio State is a better, or as good as, prospect than Fisher and he's only played one year of OT.

I'm telling you, you don't take athlete's from the MAC conference in the top 10 of the draft. Without looking it up, name 1 defensive line prospect that Fisher has faced. I follow college prospects as much as many people and I can't even begin to think of a guy he faced that will even play in the NFL, much less a top talent.

As for his good Senior Bowl, I just went back and looked at the North roster. I almost willing to bet the entire roster, DE/OLB's, he faced doesn't COMBINE for 100 career NFL sacks, maybe even 50. Khaseem Greene, Alex Okafor, Donte Jones, and Margus Hunt are the only guys that could be eventual starters in the NFL. None of them are 1st round talents and only Jones, to me, shows the potential to be a top pass rusher.

YES. Eric Fisher is NOT worth a top 10 pick.
 

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I see all these top 10 mocks and just shake my head in disgust. I see every team taking an elite, high ceiling, potential difference maker like Joeckel, Werner, Jones, Jordan, Milliner, Moore, Lotulelei, Warmack, and even Mingo. Then, I see the Cards selecting a MAC OT in Fisher :barf:. He's a pretty pedestrain athlete that is a questionable late 1st round talent. Nobody even heard of this guy from perrenial power, Central Michiagn, until the Senior Bowl. Hell, I think Reid Fragel from Ohio State is a better, or as good as, prospect than Fisher and he's only played one year of OT.

I'm telling you, you don't take athlete's from the MAC conference in the top 10 of the draft. Without looking it up, name 1 defensive line prospect that Fisher has faced. I follow college prospects as much as many people and I can't even begin to think of a guy he faced that will even play in the NFL, much less a top talent.

As for his good Senior Bowl, I just went back and looked at the North roster. I almost willing to bet the entire roster, DE/OLB's, he faced doesn't COMBINE for 100 career NFL sacks, maybe even 50. Khaseem Greene, Alex Okafor, Donte Jones, and Margus Hunt are the only guys that could be eventual starters in the NFL. None of them are 1st round talents and only Jones, to me, shows the potential to be a top pass rusher.

Your wrong, he'll be a very good LT for a long time. And he'll go no later than 11. Staley is one of the best LT's right now! Fisher can be better.
 

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Your wrong, he'll be a very good LT for a long time. And he'll go no later than 11. Staley is one of the best LT's right now! Fisher can be better.

Staley is a product of the system. He was drafted 28 overall, just like Eric Fisher SHOULD be.
 

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Your wrong, he'll be a very good LT for a long time. And he'll go no later than 11. Staley is one of the best LT's right now! Fisher can be better.
You may very well be correct, but what are you basing your prediction on? 3 days in Mobile? His dominance of MAC linemen (which I question anybody actually seeing)? His performance against top talent? That can't be it because there hasn't been any evidence on that front. I'm just curious as to why people are liking him as the 7th overall pick in the draft.

I've watched video on him.
negatives:
He's a zero in the run game. He's a pusher and creates very little movement.
Speed rushers give him problems.
lack of competition
strength, no punch

positives:
good set and re-set
handles smaller rushers quite well.
good feet
pretty good athlete for his level.
plays through the whistle.

I just watched his video against MSU and there is nothing that says top 10 pick. There really wasn't even anything that stood out about him. He was good when going against a LB or DB, but Gholston, a 3-5 round prospect with basically just a bull rush for his pass rushing arsenal, was pushing him around pretty good and usually drove him back.

I also watched his video against Iowa. I'll give him credit. He played very well and pretty much dominated his man. He was almost exclusively matched up one on one against #79 from Iowa, some guy named Dominic Alvis, who is an undersized 6'4 260lb jr. DE that will likely never be heard from again.
 

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I see all these top 10 mocks and just shake my head in disgust. I see every team taking an elite, high ceiling, potential difference maker like Joeckel, Werner, Jones, Jordan, Milliner, Moore, Lotulelei, Warmack, and even Mingo. Then, I see the Cards selecting a MAC OT in Fisher :barf:. He's a pretty pedestrain athlete that is a questionable late 1st round talent. Nobody even heard of this guy from perrenial power, Central Michiagn, until the Senior Bowl. Hell, I think Reid Fragel from Ohio State is a better, or as good as, prospect than Fisher and he's only played one year of OT.

I'm telling you, you don't take athlete's from the MAC conference in the top 10 of the draft. Without looking it up, name 1 defensive line prospect that Fisher has faced. I follow college prospects as much as many people and I can't even begin to think of a guy he faced that will even play in the NFL, much less a top talent.

As for his good Senior Bowl, I just went back and looked at the North roster. I almost willing to bet the entire roster, DE/OLB's, he faced doesn't COMBINE for 100 career NFL sacks, maybe even 50. Khaseem Greene, Alex Okafor, Donte Jones, and Margus Hunt are the only guys that could be eventual starters in the NFL. None of them are 1st round talents and only Jones, to me, shows the potential to be a top pass rusher.



What i find funny besides your usual big school bias is the fact that many draft people like Fisher and his skills and his potential.Si its obvious that the kid has talent and many think pretty highly of his talent.While he doesn`t have the pedigree of playing at that pillar of integrity called Ohio State most won`t hold that against him.
 

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