There’s still a possibility we draft Nabers

[kerouac9]

Joe Burrow went #1 based off 1 great year at LSU.

I think he goes top 3.

I'll join the pile on. Burrow's great year culminated in a National Championship. Daniels' resulted in a 10-3 record and third-place finish in the SEC West.

 

[cardncubfan]

Assuming all are available when we pick, between MJH/Odunze and Nabers, what do you think is the % chance that the Arizona Cardinals select the WR that will ultimately be the best out of the three?

33 1/3

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'll join the pile on. Burrow's great year culminated in a National Championship. Daniels' resulted in a 10-3 record and third-place finish in the SEC West.

And it only took having two likely first round picks at WR to propel him into that territory.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He was between 18 and 20 when playing for ASU. That's way young. Harsh to judge him on those years.

If Daniels NFL career follows the same progression, he's going to get "Rosened."

He was the biggest obstacle to success those years at ASU even into his third season. And then he pulled a last minute transfer after saying how much he wanted to have success at ASU.

He also got worse every year, not better. He stayed a damn bean pole the entire time. He didn't really get serious and bulk up some until before his fifth season. I just think he lacks work ethic and competitive drive.

 

[kerouac9]

And it only took having two likely first round picks at WR to propel him into that territory.

Let's not throw stones from our glass houses. The 2019 LSU National Championship team was LOADED.

1st round pick Clyde Edwards-Helaire
1st round pick Ja'Marr Chase
1st round pick Justin Jefferson

 

[Krangodnzr]

Let's not throw stones from our glass houses. The 2019 LSU National Championship team was LOADED.

1st round pick Clyde Edwards-Helaire
1st round pick Ja'Marr Chase
1st round pick Justin Jefferson

I understand...and Burrow had the best season any QB has ever had at that level.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'll join the pile on. Burrow's great year culminated in a National Championship. Daniels' resulted in a 10-3 record and third-place finish in the SEC West.

And by all accounts Burrow was/is about as alpha a leader/tough guy there is. That’s not Jayden Daniels who got trashed by ex-teammates and dealt with weird drama behind the scenes with his family. Probably a good kid but so much more than just performance is required to be a franchise QB.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If Daniels NFL career follows the same progression, he's going to get "Rosened."

He was the biggest obstacle to success those years at ASU even into his third season. And then he pulled a last minute transfer after saying how much he wanted to have success at ASU.

He also got worse every year, not better. He stayed a damn bean pole the entire time. He didn't really get serious and bulk up some until before his fifth season. I just think he lacks work ethic and competitive drive.

Yeah, his success at LSU was a surprise, and hearing people talk about his mental makeup as a strength is interesting.

I'm praying he goes top 3, but would never want him.

 

[Fitz4Ever]

Joe Burrow had the single greatest season in college football history

 

[DVontel]

I feel like Odunze might be the best of the bunch when the story is ultimately told

If MHJR ends up going to the Patriots then Nabers & Odunze will already have a head-start.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

And by all accounts Burrow was/is about as alpha a leader/tough guy there is. That’s not Jayden Daniels who got trashed by ex-teammates and dealt with weird drama behind the scenes with his family. Probably a good kid but so much more than just performance is required to be a franchise QB.

Like durability?

 

[SoonerLou]

Joe Burrow didn't have a bunch of bad tape out there before that, though. Burrow's "great" year at LSU was legendary. 5600 yards, 60 TDs.

TBF Burrow got to play 3 more games than Daniels. That LSU defense was absolutely horrid this year.

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Not saying he's Burrow, but he was dominant

 

[Mulli]

TBF Burrow got to play 3 more games than Daniels. That LSU defense was absolutely horrid this year.

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Not saying he's Burrow, but he was dominant

Burrrow was throwing to "generational talent"

 

[SoonerLou]

Burrrow was throwing to "generational talent"

I didnt think Jefferson would be better than a couple of those Alabama wrs. However, yea he's proved to be a generational talent. Burrow skillset got the most of them for sure.

Would be nice if there are a couple more generational Wrs from LSU this draft. Not sure Thomas will be of that caliber though.

 

[kerouac9]

TBF Burrow got to play 3 more games than Daniels. That LSU defense was absolutely horrid this year.

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Not saying he's Burrow, but he was dominant

I mean, this combines passing and rushing yards, which is useful for Heisman handicapping but probably less so for projecting to the pros?

 

[SoonerLou]

I mean, this combines passing and rushing yards, which is useful for Heisman handicapping but probably less so for projecting to the pros?

Its part of the package. Evaluators factored in Lamar and Kyler rushing ability when drafting them.

However, yes I believe Burrow threw about 60 more yards per game.

 

[kerouac9]

Its part of the package. Evaluators factored in Lamar and Kyler rushing ability when drafting them.

However, yes I believe Burrow threw about 60 more yards per game.

Kewl. What do their comparisons look like?

College passer rating calculations are deranged. Daniels had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio his Jr season at ASU and posted a 136.2 passer rating? Okay.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I mean, this combines passing and rushing yards, which is useful for Heisman handicapping but probably less so for projecting to the pros?

Why? His running ability is part of what makes him appealing as a dual threat QB.

 

[kerouac9]

Why? His running ability is part of what makes him appealing as a dual threat QB.

Agreed, but lumping in passing and rushing numbers so that he looks as good as or better than Joe Burrow is comparing apples and pineapples. Joe Burrow wasn't a dual-threat QB; let's evaluate them on their own terms as players.

As I said above, if we're looking at him as a dual-threat QB, let's compare his college production -- as a super-senior -- to Kyler and Lamar as juniors.

 

[SoonerLou]

Kewl. What do their comparisons look like?

College passer rating calculations are deranged. Daniels had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio his Jr season at ASU and posted a 136.2 passer rating? Okay.

Jayden Daniels threw for more yards, lets ints, more tds and higher passer rating than Joe Burrow their 4th year in college (first years at LSU).

Development is a tricky thing.

Edit: Thanks K9. I just realized every year in college Daniels had a higher passer rating than Burrow's RS JR year at LSU. Good info.

 

[AZCB34]

He was between 18 and 20 when playing for ASU. That's way young. Harsh to judge him on those years.

Even Daniels first year in LSU was not all that good.

 

[SoonerLou]

Even Daniels first year in LSU was not all that good.

And it was still better than Burrows.

 

[SoonerLou]

Agreed, but lumping in passing and rushing numbers so that he looks as good as or better than Joe Burrow is comparing apples and pineapples. Joe Burrow wasn't a dual-threat QB; let's evaluate them on their own terms as players.

As I said above, if we're looking at him as a dual-threat QB, let's compare his college production -- as a super-senior -- to Kyler and Lamar as juniors.

Kyler spent 4 years in college.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Burrrow was throwing to "generational talent"

I don't think I can remember a better set of WRs on a team at the same time...

 

[kerouac9]

Jayden Daniels threw for more yards, lets ints, more tds and higher passer rating than Joe Burrow their 4th year in college (first years at LSU).

Development is a tricky thing.

Edit: Thanks K9. I just realized every year in college Daniels had a higher passer rating than Burrow's RS JR year at LSU. Good info.

Do you think I won't look this up?

Daniels played one extra game than Burrow as fourth-year juniors at LSU. Burrow had 0.4 YPA more (completing fewer than 10% of his passes compared to Daniels, BTW). If you don't think that Burrow would've been able to make up the 19 yards and one TD in an additional start, more power to you.

This is silly.