There is nothing wrong with sucking for Luck

[dinesh15]

I have seen many posters who say they dont wanna lose games to draft a good players. They quote Herm Edwards and go "You play to win the game and all that". But whats wrong with sucking for a great player like Peyton Manning.

Indy enjoyed 10 + years of playoff success because they sucked for a great QB.. Why should a team go through 15 or so years of heartbreak because of a couple of meaningless wins?? a meaningless win makes a fan happy for a week at the most, but a great players gives us 15 years of football viewing pleasure.

Now, if Suck is gonna be as good as Peyton or not is another question. but if we are close to 1st pick and if we win a meaningless game on the 16th week and miss out on him, i would be @#@$$@# pissed....

I am sure some will agree with me.. whats the use of this season? we are out of it in the 5th week..

I would like to requote Herm Edwards.. "You play.. to get into the playoffs" so if needed, lets suck so that we can enjoy some 10+ years of playoff football...

 

[WarnerHOF]

Andrew Luck won't come to the Cardinals because they will turn him into the next Tim Couch. Bad coaching + bad front office + bad team = no Luck.

 

[Phrazbit]

Andrew Luck won't come to the Cardinals because they will turn him into the next Tim Couch. Bad coaching + bad front office + bad team = no Luck.

This I disagree with. I think most of the problem of the front office and coaching is talent evaluation. If they stumble into a talented player they can do very well, they just tend to take garbage players over good ones.

 

[GatorAZ]

We will not get the #1 pick. Still play the Rams twice, Hawks and Browns. I think we will be in the 3-5 win range... Colts and Fins will win 2 tops IMO.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I think people are forgetting the fact that Luck went to Stanford when they were a pretty horrible program at the time, so that indicates he's a competitive individual who will take on a challenge. I don't see why most people think he would force a trade with the Cards, because other than our horrible OT's, which will be replaced after this year, we have two good RB's, some good TE's, and one of the best WR's in the game. If we do get the #1 pick, that means either Whiz and/or Graves will be gone, and we can rebuild with one of the best QB prospects ever. I think Luck would like to take on that challenge, just as he did at Stanford.

 

[cardsfanmd]

We're too good to lose the remainder of our games and I honestly don't see the colts even trying to win one unless every other team already has two wins. If I were a Colts fan, I'd be fine with them forfeiting the rest of the season at this point.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

We will not get the #1 pick. Still play the Rams twice, Hawks and Browns. I think we will be in the 3-5 win range... Colts and Fins will win 2 tops IMO.

The Dolphins should have won their last two games. The Colts were competitive in 3 of their games as well. I don't think there will be an 0-16 team this year. I also think the Cards will win 1-2 more.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I wonder if Mr. Luck thinks "nothing is wrong with it"

Stanford QB calls Suck for Luck campaigns “stupid”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/15/stanford-qb-calls-suck-for-luck-campaigns-stupid/

Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck knows that some fans of some of the worst teams in the league are openly rooting for their teams to lose this season if it means getting the first pick in the draft, and therefore getting Luck.

But Luck says those aren’t the kinds of fans he wants to play for.

“I am aware of it,” Luck told the New York Times. “A couple of guys told me about it. I think it’s stupid. Simply put.”

Hmm....

 

[conraddobler]

What if the top pick went to the best team?

Is it right to allow a team exclusive rights to sign a player in the first place?

Nature dosen't reward failure, we all come from nature, thus it's against our nature to reward failure in the first place.

So why do we reward failing with a hostage situation for a new entrant into the realm of NFL players?

People are applying free market honorable traits, winning, honor, effort, dedication, drive, competition all these things without stopping to figure out the entire league is setup to reward failure so that competitive balance can be maintained, the rules on the draft, free agency all these things are setup opposite of the free market ideas of being free to sell your labor wherever you want.

Under a system that rewards failure it's good to fail spectacularly at opportune times, I didn't setup the system by the way.

 

[chickenhead]

I wouldn't be opposed to a draft lottery in the NFL. It almost makes more sense in a sport with only 16 games per season.

 

[crisper57]

Let me ask all the Suck For Luck supporters out there something. Even if we get this kid, we will still have the same offensive line protecting him. So can we really expect this kid to turn things around for us?

Given that we will have what, around $100 million tied up at the QB position, how are we going to fill our other needs?

Sucking for Luck only makes sense if you plan to trade away that first round pick for a boatload of picks in order to rebuild quickly. Anyone who expects us to suck for him to actually be on this team next year is a sucker.

Suck for Luck ---> Suck with Luck

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Let me ask all the Suck For Luck supporters out there something. Even if we get this kid, we will still have the same offensive line protecting him. So can we really expect this kid to turn things around for us?

Given that we will have what, around $100 million tied up at the QB position, how are we going to fill our other needs?

Sucking for Luck only makes sense if you plan to trade away that first round pick for a boatload of picks in order to rebuild quickly. Anyone who expects us to suck for him to actually be on this team next year is a sucker.

In a word, probably. Kurt Warner was able to thrive with the same offensive line. There are some players who are good enough to turn around entire franchises because they are so good. Manning, Montana, Barry Sanders, etc.

Do what you can to get him. He will be damn good. Luck truly is a can't miss prospect that even our FO can't mess up.

 

[crisper57]

I see your point, but Warner may have been the greatest of all time at knowing what a D was going to throw at him before the ball was snapped. If he knew pressure was coming, he'd get the ball out.

Plus, with Levi moved over to LT, our line has gone from average to pathetic.

I am still a firm believer that a team's success starts and ends with the OL. You can have all the nice shiny weapons you want, but if the QB can't have more than a couple of seconds to throw and our RB's are getting stood up at the LOS, it doesn't matter who they are.

So I hope, really hope, that sucking for Luck will result in a trade that will net us a First Round LT and some can't-miss help on the Defensive side of the ball.

I guess actually using the first overall pick would have one benefit. Our pathetic talent evaluators couldn't possibly screw this one up, could they?

 

[WildBB]

I see your point, but Warner may have been the greatest of all time at knowing what a D was going to throw at him before the ball was snapped. If he knew pressure was coming, he'd get the ball out.

Plus, with Levi moved over to LT, our line has gone from average to pathetic.

I am still a firm believer that a team's success starts and ends with the OL. You can have all the nice shiny weapons you want, but if the QB can't have more than a couple of seconds to throw and our RB's are getting stood up at the LOS, it doesn't matter who they are.

So I hope, really hope, that sucking for Luck will result in a trade that will net us a First Round LT and some can't-miss help on the Defensive side of the ball.

I guess actually using the first overall pick would have one benefit. Our pathetic talent evaluators couldn't possibly screw this one up, could they?

They're not getting the #1, that I can guarantee... it's the Cardinals.

#2, forget about much help for the D, they don't have their 2nd rounder next year.

 

[crisper57]

They're not getting the #1, that I can guarantee... it's the Cardinals.

#2, forget about much help for the D, they don't have their 2nd rounder next year.

Yeah, that's why if I had the #1 pick, I would hold it ransom for as many picks as possible to make up for that fact.

 

[Early]

I agree with Luck; that is stupid. It's not winner mentality.

It's stupid because this game is all about winning. If Cardinals get Luck and have no defense and start to lose and even if he plays good, do they need to suck again to get a great passrusher? There will always be an excuse for losing.

It's stupid because you have no idea that he will be like Peyton Manning. Even if you believe he will, you still don't know it for sure.

It's stupid because you send a signal to the players that it is OK to lose.

It's stupid because the Cards are 1-6 and still can go to playoffs. If things are done correctly with decisions and coaching and playcalling and brining the team together, the Cards can win all of the remaining games. If you don't believe that as a coach, you shouldn't be one.

Personally as a fan I don't believe the Cards are going to turn it around because there are no changes to what is going on now, no adjustments, it's terrible coaching. But they could with proper decisions and if I was a coach, for sure I would believe in that. Every coach should believe in that he can turn it around and not give up and be a loser.

All i want to see is that they win the games and play well. That's what we deserve as fans.

 

[Duckjake]

I am still a firm believer that a team's success starts and ends with the OL. You can have all the nice shiny weapons you want, but if the QB can't have more than a couple of seconds to throw and our RB's are getting stood up at the LOS, it doesn't matter who they are.

And yet under those exact circumstances, with nice shiny weapons in Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston, and Edge/Hightower getting stood up at the LOS, Kurt Warner took the Cards to the SB and followed up by dealing a 2nd season as NFC West Champs.

How stupid are the coaches when they move Levi to LT so he isn't protecting Leinart's blind side and then don't move him back when they send Leinart packing and go with a right handed QB?

Don't get me started on them having our ILBs stand still after the snap until an offensive lineman, TE or FB can get to them.

Idiots. It is no wonder they've coached the team to 17 losses in the last 23 games.

 

[crisper57]

And yet under those exact circumstances, with nice shiny weapons in Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston, and Edge/Hightower getting stood up at the LOS, Kurt Warner took the Cards to the SB and followed up by dealing a 2nd season as NFC West Champs.

How stupid are the coaches when they move Levi to LT so he isn't protecting Leinart's blind side and then don't move him back when they send Leinart packing and go with a right handed QB?

Don't get me started on them having our ILBs stand still after the snap until an offensive lineman, TE or FB can get to them.

Idiots. It is no wonder they've coached the team to 17 losses in the last 23 games.

Our O-Line played better that year than in has at any other time in recent memory. Their play that year was an anomaly, not the norm for a Cards OL. Did Warner make them better with his play? Absolutely. But without a HOF QB under center, they came crashing back down to their true selves.

The weapons around an OL can mask some deficiencies for sure. But a crappy OL will unhinge a team faster than just about anything else.

They can't protect the QB.
They can't open running lanes.
They can't get a push to convert on 3rd-and-short.
They get plenty of drive-killing penalties.
They suck.

 

[Duckjake]

Our O-Line played better that year than in has at any other time in recent memory. Their play that year was an anomaly, not the norm for a Cards OL. Did Warner make them better with his play? Absolutely. But without a HOF QB under center, they came crashing back down to their true selves.

The weapons around an OL can mask some deficiencies for sure. But a crappy OL will unhinge a team faster than just about anything else.

They can't protect the QB.
They can't open running lanes.
They can't get a push to convert on 3rd-and-short.
They get plenty of drive-killing penalties.
They suck.

The reason it was an anomaly was because it was the first time in recent memory that the same 5 guys played two seasons in a row together on the Cards offensive line.

And that's the point. If the line was good in 2008-2009 why did they blow it up in 2010 and again in 2011?!? Idiots.

 

[conraddobler]

The reason it was an anomaly was because it was the first time in recent memory that the same 5 guys played two seasons in a row together on the Cards offensive line.

And that's the point. If the line was good in 2008-2009 why did they blow it up in 2010 and again in 2011?!? Idiots.

Cause Deuce came in too heavy?

Cause Levi has to be a LT?

I don't know I'm grasping at straws trying to explain their behavior.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Cause Levi has to be a LT?

I call it the 'Denny Green offensive line.' The most expensive player on the line has to play LT, even if it is not his best position.

 

[Duckjake]

Cause Deuce came in too heavy?

Cause Levi has to be a LT?

I don't know I'm grasping at straws trying to explain their behavior.

What makes it even more incredibly ridiculous is that 4 of the 5 guys who started on the offensive line vs Green Bay in the Wild Card postseason game, a game where the Cards had 531 yards of offense and 6 TDs vs the #2 ranked defense in the NFL, are still on the roster!!!!

Bridges, Lutui, Sendlein and Brown.

 

[BigRedFan]

i would rather have had DRC and our #2 next yr and play Skelton at this point, then they could play Peterson more on offense, pick one of the top 2 or 3 QBS next yr and still have the #2. But not going to happen, oh well.

 

[Dayman]

I don't care about sucking for Luck. Sucking enough to get Graves and some (if not all) of this coaching staff fired, however, wouldn't be too bad. Nothing is going to change until the ones running the show here are sent packing.

 

[conraddobler]

What makes it even more incredibly ridiculous is that 4 of the 5 guys who started on the offensive line vs Green Bay in the Wild Card postseason game, a game where the Cards had 531 yards of offense and 6 TDs vs the #2 ranked defense in the NFL, are still on the roster!!!!

Bridges, Lutui, Sendlein and Brown.

Yeah and all we had to do was replace Gandy and leave it as good enough.

I mean replacing Gandy while he was a good player is not that TALL of an order, well it's not for most teams, for us it might as well be flying to the moon with a rubber band powered spacecraft.