Things that Won't Happen Update:

[kerouac9]

Patriots corner Samuels plant to sit until Week 10

"I'm not coming to camp," he told the newspaper. "I'm not showing up until the 10th week [of the season]. I feel unappreciated. The way they're treating me is just wrong."

Um... okay, Asante. We'll see you in Week 10.

I love the franchise tag.

 

[CardinalChris]

Maybe he and Lance Briggs could leave the 7 mil on the table and play Arena League.

My guess is they sign the tender, with the stipulation that they cannot be tagged next year (a-la Shaun Alexander) and earn their tag number this year.

 

[Gambit]

Patriots corner Samuels plant to sit until Week 10





Um... okay, Asante. We'll see you in Week 10.

I love the franchise tag.

I guess he doesn't want to be outdone by Chris Henry and Tank Johnson in terms of missed games.

I choose exile! says Asante.

 

[kerouac9]

I choose exile! says Asante.

5/5

Fabulous Work.

 

[Stout]

I don't blame the guy one bit. The system is being manipulated to screw players and to withhold long-term deals from star players. He's manipulating the system right back in their faces. I mean, if New England had shown any good faith in trying to work out a deal, then I'd feel differently, but they pretty much just showed him a closed door. I'm glad he's sticking it to them.

 

[nurnay]

I don't blame the guy one bit. The system is being manipulated to screw players and to withhold long-term deals from star players.

The "system" that was agreed to by the player's union...

 

[Stout]

The "system" that was agreed to by the player's union...

Oh, I know. That's why it's always up in the air as to who is right and who is wrong--the player or the team. In this instance, I think the player has a legitimate gripe.

 

[Shane]

Oh, I know. That's why it's always up in the air as to who is right and who is wrong--the player or the team. In this instance, I think the player has a legitimate gripe.

I actually agree.

 

[ajcardfan]

It wasn't too cool that he didn't attend Marquise Hill's wake or funeral though.

 

[CardinalChris]

I don't blame the guy one bit. The system is being manipulated to screw players and to withhold long-term deals from star players. He's manipulating the system right back in their faces. I mean, if New England had shown any good faith in trying to work out a deal, then I'd feel differently, but they pretty much just showed him a closed door. I'm glad he's sticking it to them.

I disagree. It is set up so that you get the average of the top 5 players or a 20% increase of your previous year's salary. It keeps teams from repeatedly using the tag on the same player, while still handsomely rewarding the player.

Now, I have no problem with a tagged player sitting out camp, but to sit 10 games and give up that money is silly. Sign a tag with the stipulation you can't be tagged next year, play for top 5 money and get your huge bonus in less than a year. From what I understand, Samuels is asking for a LOT of money, so I see the Patriot's side also. Wasn't Samuels the guy with the tattoo "Get Paid" on his arm?

Neither is getting over on this one. Basically, both are losing. Samuels doesn't get his bonus money and the Pats may be missing a corner for 10 games.

 

[CardinalChris]

And the "unappreciated" thing is like listening to a teenage girl complain about not being first chair in her high school choir.

 

[blindseyed]

Here's what doesn't make sense. He has until July 15th to sign the franchise offer. If he doesn't sign, he loses money, if he does sign and sits out until the 10th game...he loses money...if he's trying to make a statement, it's gonna just cost him $$
The Pats don't sign like that, just like a few years ago with Seymour, Branch etc...the Pats do what they want (I hate the Pats by the way)

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Anytime you can make around 7 million in a matter of a few months it is a good deal.

 

[kerouac9]

Here's what doesn't make sense. He has until July 15th to sign the franchise offer. If he doesn't sign, he loses money, if he does sign and sits out until the 10th game...he loses money...if he's trying to make a statement, it's gonna just cost him $$
The Pats don't sign like that, just like a few years ago with Seymour, Branch etc...the Pats do what they want (I hate the Pats by the way)

Actually, the way I remember it, Seymour sat our of the beginning of camp, and then the Pats gave him a little raise for that season and extended his contract later on.

 

[Stout]

I disagree. It is set up so that you get the average of the top 5 players or a 20% increase of your previous year's salary. It keeps teams from repeatedly using the tag on the same player, while still handsomely rewarding the player.

Now, I have no problem with a tagged player sitting out camp, but to sit 10 games and give up that money is silly. Sign a tag with the stipulation you can't be tagged next year, play for top 5 money and get your huge bonus in less than a year. From what I understand, Samuels is asking for a LOT of money, so I see the Patriot's side also. Wasn't Samuels the guy with the tattoo "Get Paid" on his arm?

Neither is getting over on this one. Basically, both are losing. Samuels doesn't get his bonus money and the Pats may be missing a corner for 10 games.

I don't think it does. I know there didn't used to be a limit on the amount of times a player could be franchised--just ask Walter Jones. I think they changed that somewhat recently, but I think you could still get the tag two or three years in a row. Someone in the know, could you help me out here?

 

[phillycard]

It wasn't too cool that he didn't attend Marquise Hill's wake or funeral though.

Wow. didn't hear that. That's not cool at all.

 

[blindseyed]

Actually, the way I remember it, Seymour sat our of the beginning of camp, and then the Pats gave him a little raise for that season and extended his contract later on.

Oh yea, that's right. They didn't 'give in' right away I guess is what I was thinking. I doubt he'll sit for 10 weeks

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think it does. I know there didn't used to be a limit on the amount of times a player could be franchised--just ask Walter Jones. I think they changed that somewhat recently, but I think you could still get the tag two or three years in a row. Someone in the know, could you help me out here?

No, you're right, technically speaking. But I think the point being made is that at most positions (Donovin Darius was given the Franchise Tag multiple times, as well), even giving the Franchise tag twice can cripple most teams' salary cap flexibility.

Now, after Shaun Alexander, designees are going to demand that one-time-only stipulation to their tenders. I can understand that there's a very small chance that Asante will be able to duplicate his 2006 productivity this season. That's why he's pissed that he can't cash in on it. But it didn't seem to hurt Nate Clements too much, so Samuels should stop bitching and cash his giant guaranteed check.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Asante,where were you on the afternoon of Saturday June the 2nd ? www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/patriots/2007-06-05-hill-relative_N.htm

 

[CardinalChris]

No, you're right, technically speaking. But I think the point being made is that at most positions (Donovin Darius was given the Franchise Tag multiple times, as well), even giving the Franchise tag twice can cripple most teams' salary cap flexibility.

Now, after Shaun Alexander, designees are going to demand that one-time-only stipulation to their tenders. I can understand that there's a very small chance that Asante will be able to duplicate his 2006 productivity this season. That's why he's pissed that he can't cash in on it. But it didn't seem to hurt Nate Clements too much, so Samuels should stop bitching and cash his giant guaranteed check.

Yeah, it states that you get the larger of top 5 paid players at that position OR 120% of the previous year's salary. The year Peyton Manning almost hit the market because his salary was so high that the tag would have meant a franchise number of something insane like 18 million. It is set up so that it gets harder and harder to tag the same guy on purpose. I agree, more players are going to sign those tenders with the "you can't tag me next year" because they still make their coin and get that big bonus the following year.

As for Samuel repeating his performance.... it is only the fans that look at the INT numbers. A lot of those can be "right place, right time". Reports are already that several teams have contacted NE and are willing to give Asante his $, but don't want to give up the picks for him. Those scouts watch film and know how good a guy is, regardless of INT # going from 10 to say 5.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Anytime you can make around 7 million in a matter of a few months it is a good deal.

Anytime you can make around 7 million in a matter of a lifetime it is a good deal

 

[Gambit]

Anytime you can make around 7 million in a matter of a lifetime it is a good deal

Anytime you can make $7 in a lifetime it's a good deal (I don't have high expectations)