this afternoon's silly trade proposal

[elindholm]

PHO/MEM/GSW

Phoenix gives up
Shawn Marion ($11.3 million, 2009)
Zarko Cabarkapa (1.3, 2007)

Phoenix gets
Stromile Swift (sign and trade, starting at $6 million)
Mike Dunleavy (3.6, 2006)
Shane Battier (3.2, 2005)

Memphis gives up
Stromile Swift
Shane Battier
a future first-round pick

Memphis gets
Erick Dampier (sign and trade, starting at $9 million)

Golden State gives up
Erick Dampier
Mike Dunleavy

Golden State gets
Shawn Marion
Zarko Cabarkapa
a future first-round pick from MEM

Phoenix gets one of the best big men left on the market, as well as two versatile team players with good fundamentals. Their logjam at SF/SG gets even worse, but they have the luxury of letting players compete for spots or, if necessary, making additional trades.

Memphis gets the center they’ve had their eyes on for more than a year, and all it costs them is a pick and two players who, apparently, don’t fit into their long-term plans.

Golden State gets an All-Star level player for their future, as well as a decent European project and additional draft help down the road. It costs them Dunleavy, but the option appears to be losing Dampier for nothing.

 

[NJYAJ09]

Golden State easily wins this one.

 

[NJYAJ09]

Mem and Phx lose a little.

 

[fordronken]

Can Battier be traded? I thought he just signed an extension?

I've also heard that the reason no Memphis deal has gone down for Dampier is because West wants to hang onto Swift.

 

[elindholm]

Can Battier be traded? I thought he just signed an extension?

Did he? Hoopshype doesn't have it listed, but they have been wrong before. But if he has, then oops, so much for this brilliant idea.

I've also heard that the reason no Memphis deal has gone down for Dampier is because West wants to hang onto Swift.

Really? All I keep reading is that West wants to hang onto Swift to use him as trade bait, not because he actually wants him. I don't know how he expects to land Dampier without giving up some sort of quality big man in return.

 

[sunsfn]

"this afternoon's silly trade proposal"

You are right about that!

 

[fordronken]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nba&id=1840460

There's the Battier link. As for Swift, I'm not really sure if West actually wants him, or if he wants him as a trade asset. I remember hearing a couple times(though for all I know it could have been the same source) that West not wanting to include Swift was what held up the deal. If that's the case, it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to keep him. Swift's name came up in the Eddy Curry rumours too. It may have to do with not wanting to give up his onlyyoung big man asset unless he gets some big youth back in return.

 

[cepstrum]

I think the problem is that memphis doesn't want to give up that much to get damp. GS would be stupid not to go for swift, battier, and a pick for damp. That's a smoking deal. And it doesnt have to tie them down long term like marion does.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think the problem is that memphis doesn't want to give up that much to get damp. GS would be stupid not to go for swift, battier, and a pick for damp. That's a smoking deal. And it doesnt have to tie them down long term like marion does.

Plus, GS already has three centers, so Swift could play PF where is happier and much better suited. Actually, they'd have one of the better frontlines in basketball if they could add him.

Battier will make any team smarter.

 

[slinslin]

Phoenix gets the shaft. So we get 2 SFs.

Marion >>>>>>>> Battier
Zarko = Dunleavy pretty similiar actually even their career so far
Swift for big money

 

[scoutmasterdave]

I don't think it matters that Battier just signed an extension. If I remember correctly, as long as he never became a free agent (RFA or UFA) he can still be traded.

 

[AmareFan]

Please do not trade Marion for Dampier....Dampier is not that good, and not the answer to our long term needs....I don't care if you throw in RUN TMC into the mix...Marion is too good to have Damp-nothing replace him...stop already...pick somebody up for the minimum and wait until the trade deadline to make a move.

 

[elindholm]

Zarko = Dunleavy

You have to be kidding me. Dunleavy has been a disappointment so far, but to put him on Cabarkapa's level is lunacy.

And you overestimate the difference between Marion and Battier. Marion is better, yes, but Battier is a better overall shooter and probably a comparable defender.

I don't think $6 million to start for Swift is too big of an overpayment, especially considering the market for big men this summer.

 

[slinslin]

Dunleavy didn't do anything more than Zarko in his rookie season.

 

[elindholm]

Dunleavy didn't do anything more than Zarko in his rookie season.

He played more than twice as many total minutes, and all of his averages were higher, except for overall FG%, which was very slightly lower.

 

[slinslin]

Phoenix trades Shawn Marion, Howard Eisley,Jackson Vroman, Casey Jacobsen Chicago's first round pick
19M$
Phoenix gets Darius Miles 4M$,Eddy Curry, Antonio Davis 19.8M$

Chicago trades eddy curry, Antonio Davis ~15.8M$
Chicago gets Shareef Abdur Rahim, Casey Jacobsen Their own 2005 pick back ~14.6M$

Portland trades Shareef Abdur Rahim, Darius Miles S&T 18.6M$
Portland gets Shawn Marion, Howard Eisley, Jackson Vroman 17.6M$

Phoenix

Curry/Davis/Voskuhl
Amare/Lampe
Johnson/Miles/Zarko
Q/ (Johnson , Barbosa) + a camp invitee or something cheap
Nash/Barbosa

Chicago

Chandler/Mutombo/FA pickup like Hunter or Tsakalidis
SAR/Harrington
Deng/Nocioni
Gordon/Jacobsen/Jefferies
Hinrich/Williams

Portland

Ratliff/Stepania
Randolph/Vroman
Marion/Patterson/Outlaw
Anderson//Woods
Van Exel/Stoudamire/Telfair

Curry could be replaced with Chandler. Though Chandler is probably the biggest risk highest reward. Kwame Brown would be the lowest risk maybe lowest reward and Curry might be the middle way. Chandlers' back problems are just scarier than Curry being overweight after a harmstring injury in the offseason.

 

[NJYAJ09]

VOSKUHL!!!!!!!


not voshkul


VOSKUHL!!!!!!

 

[NJYAJ09]

by the way... I'd much rather have Kwame Brown the Chandler, even though Brown is more of a PF. We could have the twin towers playing PF/C with Amare and Kwame.

 

[sunsfn]

This afternoon's silly trade proposal thread just got sillier!

 

[NJYAJ09]

And IIRC we can't trade Vroman for a little while because we just signed him.

 

[NJYAJ09]

Silly Silly Silly!~


*drinks margarita*

 

[slinslin]

by the way... I'd much rather have Kwame Brown the Chandler, even though Brown is more of a PF. We could have the twin towers playing PF/C with Amare and Kwame.

And that's why Kwame is probably not on the block. He doesn't have weigth or work attitude problems or chronic injury problems.
He is also 7' or close to it and very strong.

But Curry and Chandler could still turn into better players than Brown if all realize their potential although Brown is probably the safest choice to be at least an above average center for many years.

 

[NJYAJ09]

Kwame is one of the few guys I would give up marion and the chicago pick for.

Amare + Kwame = *******

 

[elindholm]

Phoenix trades Shawn Marion, Howard Eisley,Jackson Vroman, Casey Jacobsen Chicago's first round pick
19M$
Phoenix gets Darius Miles 4M$,Eddy Curry, Antonio Davis 19.8M$

And you said MY trade proposal was bad for Phoenix?

Besides, Portland doesn't want Marion, and Miles won't sign for only $4 million.

 

[slinslin]

I think Miles would sign a deal starting at 4M$ simply because Miles wants to be on the same team as Q.

Antonio Davis is servicable and 12M$ off the cap next season.