This supports my point the PAC is overrated

[Skkorpion]

Look at these RPIs as of yesterday and Stanford's will have gone down. ASU is nowhere on there. Six PAC teams in the dance? No more than four, max.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

I'm going to try to insert that as a screen capture.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I think we will again agree to disagree...

Let me quote Jay Bilas

"The RPI is a joke, Kentucky loses by 42, AND THERE RPI GOES UP!, if a day comes where the comittee uses the RPI over common sense, the tournament will lose its luster"

I think RPI is used to an extent, but I also think common sense will prevail, and I think Ultimately the PAC-10 gets 6 in...

I am just not as sure as some that one of those will be ASU... Though comparred to you, I look like the kid from Charleys Chocolate factory in my opptimisim...

GO ASU, common Committee, prove SKKORPION wrong...

 

[FArting]

Most of the experts have ASU in the NCAA Tournament.

 

[PoolBoy]

pac 10 overrated. HAHA. UCLA is excellent so clutch at the end of games, Stanford is good, ASU UA, Washington State above average-good, tournament teams, and Cal, Oregon, Washington will put up a fight.

 

[PoolBoy]

top to second to the bottom best conference in basketball. oregon state is so bad.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Just one more point...

The reason the PAC-10 is considered the toughest conference (though maybe not "the best"), is because of how many quality teams there are...

Perfect point, one of your arguments a lot is that conferences like the Big East, ACC, and Big 12 are better... no one even compares to the PAC-10 top to bottom..

West Virginia is a PERFECT EXAMPLE....

They are 22-9 11-7 in the Big East sitting in 6th position... But out of those 11 wins, 2 wins against St Johns (OSU-esce), Rutgers (OSU-esce), USF (OSU-esce), and Providence twice (Washington-esce... Meaning 6 of their 11 wins were against levels of competiton comparable to the bottom 2 teams of the PAC-10...

What if West Virginia could ONLY play against Uconn, Pitt, GU, Syracuse, Louisville, Marquette, Nortre Dame, Villinova, and say Rutgers.

If they had to play these teams week in and week out a total of 18 times, what would their record be?

The fact that they only had to play GU, Louisville, Uconn, and ND once this year is huge, and BTW they lost all four....

The fact is these other conferences may be considered better, as far as having more teams, but the PAC-10 is the Toughest, and coming out 9-9 or better is impressive no matter where you are....

 

[Skkorpion]

UA? They just choked again at OSU.

The PAC is top heavy, not deep. In order, UCLA, USC, Stanford. The rest are average and Stanford has been exposed. The end of the season has shown that. Jay Bilas is wrong, in my opinion.

I'm praying ASU gets to dance but I think we are a year away. If we win two PAC tournament games, that changes things.

UCLA is not a final 4 team, in my opinion. Without PAC refs and a mostly boring offense, somebody will knock them off.

 

[PoolBoy]

how is UCLA's offense boring? i think their games are crazy fun to watch, and i could care less about UCLA.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Further Evidence that the RPI is a joke...

ASU wins by 13 on the road, and they drop 3 spots...

Mean while Kentucky loses by 42 and they rise two spots..

Now you tell me how you can put so much trust in a system that does that....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The Pac-10's lack of quality teams will be exposed in the Dance. The conference is basically UCLA, a bunch of okay teams, and three bad ones. The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 are all better.

 

[Skkorpion]

The Pac-10's lack of quality teams will be exposed in the Dance. The conference is basically UCLA, a bunch of okay teams, and three bad ones. The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 are all better.

Again, agree and I throw the Big East in there as being better as well.

 

[ajcardfan]

Again, agree and I throw the Big East in there as being better as well.

The PAC 10 had a nice showing last year. UCLA made the final four, Oregon the elite 8, and USC went to the Sweet 16. I'd say the conference is noticably better this year than last year. I think they match up well with about anyone.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Yesterday I shot an email at Andy Glockner of ESPN, and he wrote back last night regarding the state of the RPI, and the committee, here is what was said:

Re: A quick question regarding the RPI‏From:Andy Glockner ([email protected])Sent:Sun 3/09/08 2:07 PMTo: Ryan Walker ([email protected])

Ryan-

The RPI is terribly flawed and the committee claims it's not the gospel, but if you are a major-conference team in the RPI top 40, it's a virtual certainty you're getting in. Chicken and egg, maybe, but that's what history tells us.

Yes, ASU has a few good wins, I still think they'll get there, the fact that they have more big wins then almost all other Bubble schools is a huge help, but I don't think it's its a lock, because of the non-conference schedule. So yes, the RPI can be a joke, but the committee doesn't put as much stock in it as many would like to think.

On 3/9/08, Ryan Walker <[email protected]> wrote:

Andy-
I am a Sun Devil fan, and have found your bubble watch very intertesting to read over the season. However, there is one thing that has REALLY bothered me, and I was wondering if you can explain. Why do people put SOO much stock in the RPI? Kentucky lost by 41 points, and they actually ROSE TWO SPOTS in the RPI. Meanwhile, Arizona State wins by 13 on the road last night, and they drop 3 spots! Does the committee truly put a lot of stock into this system? Meaning becuase a team like ASU has a low RPI, but has more top-25 wins than 95% of the nation, they could be left out? 4 wins in the top-25 in impressive no matter who you are, but I am afraid because of this system which makes LESS SENSE than the BCS, may actually keep them out. PLEASE write back and explain this. Thank you for your time and I'll look forward to your response!
-Ryan Walker
​

 

[Russ Smith]

UA? They just choked again at OSU.

The PAC is top heavy, not deep. In order, UCLA, USC, Stanford. The rest are average and Stanford has been exposed. The end of the season has shown that. Jay Bilas is wrong, in my opinion.

I'm praying ASU gets to dance but I think we are a year away. If we win two PAC tournament games, that changes things.

UCLA is not a final 4 team, in my opinion. Without PAC refs and a mostly boring offense, somebody will knock them off.

I don't see Stanford having been exposed I see a team that knew the conf title went out the window on a bad call and they were hung over when they played USC. USC played their best game of the year and won. They pressed Stanford and took them off their game, but come on they DOMINATED Stanford on the boards, that just doesn't happen to Stanford if they play again you'll see Stanford win the rebound battle. SC had the perfect storm they were amped up and Stanford was flat.

I think ASU is in a position where if they beat USC they're in for sure, if they lose close they're in, if they get blown out they might be out.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't see Stanford having been exposed I see a team that knew the conf title went out the window on a bad call and they were hung over when they played USC. USC played their best game of the year and won. They pressed Stanford and took them off their game, but come on they DOMINATED Stanford on the boards, that just doesn't happen to Stanford if they play again you'll see Stanford win the rebound battle. SC had the perfect storm they were amped up and Stanford was flat.

I think ASU is in a position where if they beat USC they're in for sure, if they lose close they're in, if they get blown out they might be out.

ASU, like all bubble teams, really needs the conference tournaments to run close to form. A couple of surprise champs will quite possibly bump them out, win or lose vs. SC.


For example, it would be bad if San Diego beat Gonzaga tonight. Gonzaga and St. Mary's will both make it as at large teams if that happens. That would bump out one big conference bubble team.

 

[Gaddabout]

All Pac-10 teams except UCLA lack great depth. Some teams have good depth and no big star. Other teams have really good starting 4 or 5 but little to nothing off the bench. It's created a sea of mediocrity from 2 to 8. That's just how recruiting has been too evenly distributed across the West Coast the past two years.

 

[Russ Smith]

All Pac-10 teams except UCLA lack great depth. Some teams have good depth and no big star. Other teams have really good starting 4 or 5 but little to nothing off the bench. It's created a sea of mediocrity from 2 to 8. That's just how recruiting has been too evenly distributed across the West Coast the past two years.

Have you watched UCLA lately? UCLA is a 5 man team right now, the depth is Aboya, Mata-Real and Keefe. Keefe barely plays and Aboya and Mata-Real give no offense. They play a 7 man rotation where only 5 guys score.

Honestly UCLA is no deeper than the rest of the Pac 10 right now, if they had Roll they would be because they'd have offense off the bench. Obviously they have 2 very experience bigs to bring in off the bench but that's it.

 

[Scot1]

Ahem. For those who are counting, in the Sweet 16, the Pac-10 has 3 [out of 6 to start], the Big East 3 [out of 8, if I'm not miscounting], the Big 10 and Big 12 2 each, and other conferences 1 each. For what it's worth, I think after the Sweet 16, you don't get any reflection at all of conference depth, but of how the very top teams compare. But this weekend, the Pac-10 did OK.

 

[ajcardfan]

Ahem. For those who are counting, in the Sweet 16, the Pac-10 has 3 [out of 6 to start], the Big East 3 [out of 8, if I'm not miscounting], the Big 10 and Big 12 2 each, and other conferences 1 each. For what it's worth, I think after the Sweet 16, you don't get any reflection at all of conference depth, but of how the very top teams compare. But this weekend, the Pac-10 did OK.

Yep, they did. Stanford and UCLA narrowly survived, so the conference looks pretty good. It easily could've been just one team in the Sweet 16 though. I have to give credit to both schools for hanging tough against tough opponents.

 

[Dback Jon]

Yep, they did. Stanford and UCLA narrowly survived, so the conference looks pretty good. It easily could've been just one team in the Sweet 16 though. I have to give credit to both schools for hanging tough against tough opponents.

And the SEC just as easily could have none, instead of one.


ACC was way over-rated this year. Duke was NOT a top-ten team. Hardly a top-twenty five team.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Wazzu got really good matchups thus far, they got Winthrop and then a Notre Dame team that is just as unathletic as they are but without the execution and experience. I think it could get ugly against UNC this weekend although Tony Bennett could keep it close by taking the air out of the ball. It will also be interesting to see how WSU handles the distractions that will come with Indiana's pursuit of Bennett and with the Charlotte crowd.

Stanford's backcourt gets exposed every time they take the court including against Marquette where it took amazing performances by both Lopez twins just to win a squeaker in OT in front of a friendly crowd. Now they are matched up against one of if not the best backcourt tandems in the country in Texas at a game in Houston.

 

[ajcardfan]

I just saw a replay of the final play in the A&M-UCLA game. Sloan got decked, there should've been a foul call IMO. Probably would've been one, had the roles been reversed.

Did any of you see it that way? Or, am I still biased by the gift calls UCLA got during conference play?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I just saw a replay of the final play in the A&M-UCLA game. Sloan got decked, there should've been a foul call IMO. Probably would've been one, had the roles been reversed.

Did any of you see it that way? Or, am I still biased by the gift calls UCLA got during conference play?

It could've been a foul, but who knows?

Like with Bruce Bowen and NBA refs, UCLA hacks and slaps so frequently that only the grossly obvious ones seem to get called. Also the calls they get away with when they hedge off pick and rolls is flat out amazing but they do it every time down the court so the refs only call the really bad ones.

 

[Dback Jon]

The Pac-10's lack of quality teams will be exposed in the Dance. The conference is basically UCLA, a bunch of okay teams, and three bad ones. The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 are all better.

you still think the one sweet 16 ACC and SEC are better??

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

you still think the one sweet 16 ACC and SEC are better??

Mississippi State did handle Oregon rather easily. Not sure what happened to Vandy, although the same Siena team smoked Stanford earlier this year although that was without Brook Lopez. I was definitely wrong on the ACC though, Duke looked absolutely horrible.