This year's draft may be the one I have the least interest in

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Haskins should’ve stayed at OS...I saw him at the rose bowl and he’s not that impressive.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Analysts at Draft Network had Patrick Mahomes as a 3rd rounder. They had an article on it.

I cried from every rooftop that Patrick Mahomes was the best player in that draft, better than Trubisky, Watson, etc.

That's what watching tape told me; Mahomes could make throws that the other QBs could not and he was in control of the offense at all times. Made playing QB look super easy.

 

[Shane]

Analysts at Draft Network had Patrick Mahomes as a 3rd rounder. They had an article on it.

I cried from every rooftop that Patrick Mahomes was the best player in that draft, better than Trubisky, Watson, etc.

That's what watching tape told me; Mahomes could make throws that the other QBs could not and he was in control of the offense at all times. Made playing QB look super easy.

Well that’s it you’re an expert... SOLD

 

[slanidrac16]

Proof?

Various reports I heard. Not imminent. It’s been mentioned they liked him going into the draft last year. You’re on the Rosen side of the fence correct?

 

[Veer]

What 4.3 speed? Proof of this?

We don't know if Murray would run the 40 in the 4.3s in underwear starting out of a 3 point stance. Maybe. Mabye not. Maybe in the 4.4s or even 4.5s (which I don't think though).

But we can judge his speed by watching his tape in real games. His acceleration from 0 to 100 is amazing, as is his shiftiness. If he couldn't throw the football, Murray could probably pursue a NFL RB career, or at least be a very good returner.

On top of his athletic ability, Murray is a natural passer of the football. Mechanically very sound, he can throw it with ease from different platforms and angles, doesn't lose his poise when throwing under pressure or on the run. The latter two attributes are something Rosen could never do, because he needs perfect circumstances, just like Palmer needed.

The take on Rosen maybe turning into a great NFL QB and the Cards looking dumb for drafting Murray is just stubborn. Rosen was a very good pick last year, fairly cheap in comparison what others paid for 1st round QBs in recent history. However, there were legit questions about his game when we drafted him, and there are possibly even more questions right now. If Murray has a higher grade than Rosen had last year, there is no way this franchise can pass on Murray to pick an edge or interior defender.

 

[JeffGollin]

This is from WalterFootball

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2019QB.php#ixzz5idkZ81uI

All team sources were in agreement that an offense would have to be changed and built around Murray. They all said that he will have to play out of the shotgun. And at 5-foot-10, he is too short to be under center and do quick passing off of three-step drops. Thus, the offense is going to have to be built around Murray and he is not a quarterback who can be plugged into any NFL offense. That also presents some problems for his pro team in finding a backup quarterback who can execute the same plays. Therefore, it is going to take a team that is willing to commit to Murray and go all-in on building the offense around him.

I would think that being unable to go under center and being unable to execute a 3 step drop pass would put some limitations how much you can do on offense and make it easier for the defense to defend. You certainly will not be able to run play action. The quick out will be slower since the snap will have to travel 5 yards.

I buy into the general logic of WalterFootball but am not sold on Murray's not being able to go under center. I see him succeeding on wide rolls/boots/fakes/screens off play action to clear out those passing lanes.

 

[TJ]

Im so burned out by all of this Kyler Murray talk. It would be more interesting if the media would report more on the other prospective picks. But as Ian Rapoport indicated on Friday, even if he knew that the Cards were taking Murray, he wouldn't tell a soul because this makes for good commentary.

At least the media has something to discuss. Maybe my interest will increase upon hearing actual, unexpected news about Murray and Rosen. For now, it's just perseveration.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I buy into the general logic of WalterFootball but am not sold on Murray's not being able to go under center. I see him succeeding on wide rolls/boots/fakes/screens off play action to clear out those passing lanes.

Russell Wilson lines up under center all of the time.

Does his half an in height difference magically give him the ability to do so?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Draft day will be exciting for Cards fans without a doubt. I don't think the FO will leak any information on who the #1 pick will be. Just like almost nobody expected the Browns to pick Mayfield at #1. Although if we trade down, it would probably leak in the days leading up to the draft. But in this case the speculation on which top prospect slips to us would still be exciting.

If we pick Bosa or Quinnen at #1, the rest of the 1st round would indeed be boring. I don't care which QB goes where if it doesn't concern the Cardinals.

But what would make this whole draft really spicy is picking Murray at #1. This would basically open the bidding for Rosen. Make no mistake, he just turned 22 and would probably be a top 10 pick in this draft, similar to Haskins. I would imagine a mid 1st would be the ultimate price paid for Rosen. At the very least a late 1st round pick. So we would suddenly pick again in the 1st again after taking Murray at #1, either using the deep DL pool, adding an offensive weapon or building the OL.

Your last paragraph is a fine argument for sticking with Rosen and selecting from the elite end of this deep 'D' draft pool at #1 or trading with Oakland, for example, picking a top 4 'D' prospect and adding another 1st round piece at #24 or #27.

That's the type of spice I'd savour.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Well that’s it you’re an expert... SOLD

Thanks for finally admitting it!

(I've also love Connor Cook and a few other BOZOS in the past)

 

[Krangodnzr]

We don't know if Murray would run the 40 in the 4.3s in underwear starting out of a 3 point stance. Maybe. Mabye not. Maybe in the 4.4s or even 4.5s (which I don't think though).

But we can judge his speed by watching his tape in real games. His acceleration from 0 to 100 is amazing, as is his shiftiness. If he couldn't throw the football, Murray could probably pursue a NFL RB career, or at least be a very good returner.

On top of his athletic ability, Murray is a natural passer of the football. Mechanically very sound, he can throw it with ease from different platforms and angles, doesn't lose his poise when throwing under pressure or on the run. The latter two attributes are something Rosen could never do, because he needs perfect circumstances, just like Palmer needed.

The take on Rosen maybe turning into a great NFL QB and the Cards looking dumb for drafting Murray is just stubborn. Rosen was a very good pick last year, fairly cheap in comparison what others paid for 1st round QBs in recent history. However, there were legit questions about his game when we drafted him, and there are possibly even more questions right now. If Murray has a higher grade than Rosen had last year, there is no way this franchise can pass on Murray to pick an edge or interior defender.

I'd take Rosen over Haskins. It would have been cool to see Rosen in an easy mode offense like OSU with outstanding players around him.

Haskins has delivery issues. He throws a really weak spiral and doesn't follow through on his throws. On the plus side, his decision making is really good. Haskins needs more time IMO.

 

[Dr. Jones]

A potential generational QB is already on the roster.

Of this..... You and I completely disagree.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Raise your hand if you purchased a Rosen jersey.

If so, keep it safe for when he is inducted into the HoF as a Giant in 20 yrs and no one remembers he was once the future of the Cards. I suppose we'll all share big laughs on that day, he said with tears in his eyes!

 

[Minski]

Thanks for finally admitting it!

(I've also love Connor Cook and a few other BOZOS in the past)

And your current Bozo is Murray?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Eyeball test. He easily outran CBs on his long runs.

Murray isnt running the 40 because he doesn't want people to think of him as Vick.

He threw for more yardage in one season than Vick did in two. Even mentioning the two in the same sentence makes no sense. Before I did any research on Murray, I believed he was a "running QB". I learned I was WRONG, he is a QB who can run.

The same 'eye ball' test that leads some to believe that beating up on UTEP, Tulane, Fl Atlantic and sneaking by Army translates into the second coming of Andrew Luck in pint size.

 

[BW52]

Thanks for finally admitting it!

(I've also love Connor Cook and a few other BOZOS in the past)

I thought Brian Brohm was going to be a solid NFL QB...and Stepanovich was going to anchor the Cards OLine for years

 

[Dr. Jones]

Kyler Murray AT WORST is a 4.45 guy. At best is 4.35 IMO

He runs away from everyone. Breaking Ankles & Angles on every piece of tape you pull up. Corners, safeties, & other primarily fast dudes lose ground to him all the time. But it's the short burst that gets him to top speed quicker than everyone else that is his best trait IMO.

Mahomes & Baker: 4.8
Rosen 4.9
Newton 4.59
RG3 was 4.41 IIRC

 

[Krangodnzr]

I thought Brian Brohm was going to be a solid NFL QB...and Stepanovich was going to anchor the Cards OLine for years

Me too on Stepanovich. He looked the part and he was tough as nails.

That center we drafted from Missouri a few years ago....totally sold on him before the draft. Watched ample film and I thought he was going to be a beast. (Boehm)

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kyler Murray AT WORST is a 4.45 guy. At best is 4.35 IMO

He runs away from everyone. Breaking Ankles & Angles on every piece of tape you pull up. Corners, safeties, & other primarily fast dudes lose ground to him all the time. But it's the short burst that gets him to top speed quicker than everyone else that is his best trait IMO.

Mahomes & Baker: 4.8
Rosen 4.9
Newton 4.59
RG3 was 4.41 IIRC

I'm with you. His long runs, he showed an elite extra gear. IMO he's faster than any QB I've ever seen, except maybe Michael Vick.

He's 1000x the passer Vick was coming out. Way better.

 

[Veer]

Run to the podium already! Can't risk to forfeit the pick and the 49ers taking Murray away from us!

 

[BW52]

Run to the podium already! Can't risk to forfeit the pick and the 49ers taking Murray away from us!

Run to the podium to pick Bosa.

 

[Cardinal]

I'd take Rosen over Haskins. It would have been cool to see Rosen in an easy mode offense like OSU with outstanding players around him.

Haskins has delivery issues. He throws a really weak spiral and doesn't follow through on his throws. On the plus side, his decision making is really good. Haskins needs more time IMO.

People don't realize that Haskins had two WRs (Campbell & McLaurin) that ran 4.3 at the combine and another WR (Dixon) that ran a 4.41. I know speed isn't everything in a WR but he was playing with elite athletes.

 

[splitsecond]

There's a reason why the media is pushing Murray so hard. This draft is boring and lacking in storylines - big time.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Run to the podium already! Can't risk to forfeit the pick and the 49ers taking Murray away from us!

Let me help you with that, you forgot this:

 

[football karma]

People don't realize that Haskins had two WRs (Campbell & McLaurin) that ran 4.3 at the combine and another WR (Dixon) that ran a 4.41. I know speed isn't everything in a WR but he was playing with elite athletes.

yep

Murray as well: Marquise Brown, as well as CeDe Lamb (Mayfields squad was even better than that with those players, plus Mark Andrews at TE, a really good receiving fullback, etc)