Thomas as Cards QBOF

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Right now there are stories, and speculations, flying all over the place about when, or even if, Logan Thomas will, (or should), be considered to be the Cardinal's QB of the future.

In a well written article by Walter Mitchell, which appears in the ASFN Magazine, it is shown that everything points to a repeat of what happened last year with Thomas. We all know of his over the top QB rating in his first appearance as a Cardinal. We also know that in his first regular season game, he came into the game late, and then threw and improbable touchdown pass to win the game.

His practices were apparently so horrendous that he was never given a chance to work with the ones at any time, and we all know how that turned out when Ryan Lindley was called upon to lead this team into the playoffs, based on the fact that he knew the offense and Thomas did not.

From verbal mumblings going round and round, many speculate that given Logan Thomas' fine outing against the Chiefs, that we are simply looking at a repeat of last year. I say BULL to that. Bruce Arians was the first to say that he is going to split the snaps in the Charger's game by quarters this Saturday, with Palmer getting the first quarter, Stanton the second, Thomas the third, and Sims the fourth. That alone should dispel the situation that arose last year causing Thomas to never get any more snaps with the ones.

He will at least be given a chance to show his ability and his level of competence for an entire quarter just after half time, even if it is not against the ones. I don't recall that happening last year, and everyone knows how hard it is to learn BA's offense. But there is one more thing that almost NO ONE is talking about, and that is just how Thomas became so confident in the reps that he got in the Chief's game. This is where I get a chance to do some speculation.

Some time back it was disclosed that Michael Bidwill put out the money to purchase a virtual system that could put ANY signal caller onto the field merely by putting on the head set designed for this purpose and putting himself into the game calls, or practice calls as needed. I am just guessing when I say this, but I would strongly consider that Logan Thomas, (knowing what happened last year), has taken it upon himself to get as many reps from practices, and even from the Chief's game, as is possible by using the virtual system. If he couples that, with the time and effort that he has obviously put in to correct his bad footwork and throwing habits, he might just become that much sought after treasure that the Cards have been lacking, their QBOF.

That is precisely why I look forward to the beginning of the second half of Saturday evening's game with the Chargers. That is scheduled to be Logan Thomas time, and I, for one, am betting that this time, Thomas will be up to the task at hand and will begin the process of calming his many, many critics, and giving us fans a peek into what could become a very bright future with Logan Thomas as Cards, QBOF.
 
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I think that would be a little bit fun to be able to use the virtual system for about an hour...
 

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I know of a freak touchdown to Ellington where as the Broncos proceeded to whop our ass after but this "he came into the game late, and then threw and improbable touchdown pass to win the game" eludes the Jetstream... now Jake Plummer seems to fit that history to a tee :)
 

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I'd be happy with him just becoming the #2 QBOF, no way I expect him to develop in to a quality starting QB anytime soon.
 

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Sorry Fish but there's not a chance for this kid regardless of who's the coach, VR or whatever. He's just not accurate or consistent & never will be Imo.

Physical tools, talent & anticipation are differant animals.
 

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I know of a freak touchdown to Ellington where as the Broncos proceeded to whop our ass after but this "he came into the game late, and then threw and improbable touchdown pass to win the game" eludes the Jetstream... now Jake Plummer seems to fit that history to a tee :)

:thumbup:

We used to lose games on throws like that by bad opposing QBs years ago lol
 

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Well, I am on the side of giving Thomas a chance. Last year he was thrown into the starting role, was a rookie, and still need time to develop. He may have issues at the beginning of TC but he look so much better play this Saturday then he did last year.

Yea he played well last year in preseason, but this game, he looked more poised, stepping into the pocket, making his reads. He looked like a NFL QB. Of course this was against 2nd stringers, but his pocket presence was light years better then last year. I am not giving up on him just yet.
 

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Well, I am on the side of giving Thomas a chance. Last year he was thrown into the starting role, was a rookie, and still need time to develop. He may have issues at the beginning of TC but he look so much better play this Saturday then he did last year.

Yea he played well last year in preseason, but this game, he looked more poised, stepping into the pocket, making his reads. He looked like a NFL QB. Of course this was against 2nd stringers, but his pocket presence was light years better then last year. I am not giving up on him just yet.

he will get lots more reps to prove himself including most of game 4.
 

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he will get lots more reps to prove himself including most of game 4.

I might be eating my words when those games come, but I think he will be a QB we will love to have at 3rd string. Stanton better step up his game as he wasn't all that great Saturday..
 

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There is no way he is the QBOF. He is not accurate at all. Frankly I think he is one of the misses the FO made in the draft.
 

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I watched him at practice the other day and he made Derrick Anderson look like a Hall of Famer. Looked like he had ZERO improvement. I'll admit that he showed some progress against the Chiefs 3rd stringers. I just don't see him being anything more than a backup at this point.

Stanton has nothing to worry about. He is lightyears ahead of Thomas IMO.
 

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Regardless of how he looked in the game, if he can't practice well, he's never even going to make the second team. The QB1's job in practice is to make sure that everyone is where they're supposed to be and execute the offense against air with precision. Remember that 90% of the time spent as a professional football player in-season is practice time.

Even a QB2 has to make the most of limited practice reps. You know what you call a QB who you just roll out there and hope for the best? Tim Tebow.
 

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Regardless of how he looked in the game, if he can't practice well, he's never even going to make the second team. The QB1's job in practice is to make sure that everyone is where they're supposed to be and execute the offense against air with precision. Remember that 90% of the time spent as a professional football player in-season is practice time.

Even a QB2 has to make the most of limited practice reps. You know what you call a QB who you just roll out there and hope for the best? Tim Tebow.
Damn good post K9. :thumbup:
 
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As with so much on this board, everything seems to be interpreted as being either all or nothing. I had no intention of making Thomas into our savior of the future.

What I did intend, was to show that even Carson Palmer needed twelve games of reps, plus all the reps with the ones in practice, before he was able to conquer BA's intricate offense. Last year, not only did Logan Thomas never get ANY reps with the ones, the only reps he got in practice, were of the offense we were going to play against on Sunday. He hardly ever got any reps of our offense at all. That being said, I cannot fathom how ANYONE could be expected to learn the nuances of BA's offense, and that includes BA himself.

What I also am saying now, is that even if BA chooses not to give him reps with our offense, Thomas can still get every rep he need, by using the new virtual system, and by doing so can put himself in the QB's shoes during every practice play, and every game play in real time. He can see the sets, and get used to making the correct reads, and also see what happens if he doesn't. He can see it all from the QB's perspective, and thus get reps that were totally unavailable to him last year. That HAS to be something that he can hang his hat on, that did not exist last year, and if he uses it properly, he CAN become the success we all were hoping for.
 

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It's pretty funny to me how many people are willing to give up on a guy that is in his second year and was essentially drafted to be a 3 year project. The key for a project like that is to show improvement year by year and I would say Thomas is doing that. The key now is to show some consistency through the rest of pre-season and then show more improvement next year. If they are serious about him being a 3 year project than if he is going to be ready to start it should be in his 4th year.

The key as to whether or not we can afford to wait will depend on Palmer's and Stanton's health. If they struggle to stay healthy this year than next year could end up being LT's make or break year. However if Stanton and Palmer can stay healthy this year than LT can enter next season with at most the expectations of grabbing the QB2 role.
 
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Thomas as Cards QBOF

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Rodgers sat for 3 years behind Favre. His stats weren't so great his first 2 years. 40% completion pct. Not saying he's the next Rodgers, just saying QB's take time to develop.

Year Team G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD Fum Lost As Starter
2005 GNB 3 0 9 16 56.3 65 4.1 0 1 39.8 2 7 3.5 0 2 2 0–0
2006 GNB 2 0 6 15 40.0 46 3.1 0 0 48.2 2 11 5.5 0 1 1 0–0
 
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It's pretty funny to me how many people are willing to give up on a guy that is in his second year and was essentially drafted to be a 3 year project. The key for a project like that is to show improvement year by year and I would say Thomas is doing that. The key now is to show some consistency through the rest of pre-season and then show more improvement next year. If they are serious about him being a 3 year project than if he is going to be ready to start it should be in his 4th year.

The key as to whether or not we can afford to wait will depend on Palmer's and Stanton's health. If they struggle to stay healthy this year than next year could end up being LT's make or break year. However if Stanton and Palmer can stay healthy this year than LT can enter next season with at most the expectations of grabbing the QB2 role.

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I might be eating my words when those games come, but I think he will be a QB we will love to have at 3rd string. Stanton better step up his game as he wasn't all that great Saturday..

I am not all that impressed with Stanton. He sure didn't look all that good last Saturday.
 

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The fact remains that you can't waste a 4th rounder on someone who will not be ready to play in the NFL for three or four years. That's what UDFA's are for. No one else was going to draft Thomas in any round. That's the lunacy of it. You could have gotten him in the 7th and made an understandable project out of him.
 

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Couple of things:
1. Stanton did NOT look good against KC, although he was only in (I believe) for three plays. And in Bert's video didn't seem to have had a good practice on Tuesday. However, last year he was more than capable filling in for CP. Let's give him a little time.
2. There are not many/any fourth round draft picks who are able to play QB right away. Other positions yes, QB, no. This is just my opinion and not based on any research.
 

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Rodgers sat for 3 years behind Favre. His stats weren't so great his first 2 years. 40% completion pct. Not saying he's the next Rodgers, just saying QB's take time to develop.

Year Team G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD Fum Lost As Starter
2005 GNB 3 0 9 16 56.3 65 4.1 0 1 39.8 2 7 3.5 0 2 2 0–0
2006 GNB 2 0 6 15 40.0 46 3.1 0 0 48.2 2 11 5.5 0 1 1 0–0

Toss those stats out the window. Seriously. He basically did not play - just like every other Favre backup ever. To base anything off 31 passes in 2 of his first 3 years is ridiculous and the percentages mean nothing.

Rodgers was a first round stud QB pick who easily could have played for a team that didn't already have a solid starting QB.

Thomas was a surprise pick in the fourth round when most had him going much later.

No comparison.
 

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