Thomas as Cards QBOF

[oaken1]

This isn't about being lazy or incapable Oaken, this is about talent!

I know BA, Keim & his staff have forgot more than I will ever know about the NFL game but this kid imo wasn't worth the 4th round gamble in the first place! Thomas was unproductive in college outside of 1 great game against the U. 1 freaking game!

I almost bet if he would've been drafted in the 7th rd or a FA he probably would've been cut last year.

ya see that's just it....the kid does have talent...... maybe not Manning/Luck talent...but talent. There are hundreds of college QB's out there who put up better college numbers than Thomas who would never get to the level of play he showed last Saturday,..not with any amount of coaching.

Tony Romo was undrafted. Brady went real late. Both of them have talent,...so why were they not first round picks?? How come Romo has never won a championship?
For the QB position more than any other position on the field it is about situation,...... if a player gets drafted by the wrong team they have a very poor chance of being successful,...if a player from a bad college situation gets drafted by the right team,...he can be successful. IMO Thomas was not in the ideal situation for him in college. The offense, the coaches,...there just wasn't a great fit...so we saw mediocre play...but the ability is there.
we have several coaches on this staff with decades of experience... I think this was the best place for him to come to play,...he may fail,...but he has not failed yet.

 

[Cardiac]

This debate cracks me up and annoys me at the same time.

NFL quality QB's are incredibly hard to find, especially after the first ten picks in round 1 of the draft. So taking a flyer on LT in the 4th rd is worth the risk, even though Keim has great success with mid round draft picks.

Expecting LT to do anything worth while in his rookie season is unreasonable. It was stated countless times that LT was a project who needed a TON of work but his physical skills/measurable's made him worthy of a 4th rd pick. QB's are over drafted and taken earlier then their true draft grade because the QB position is so critical.

Those saying they know LT would have lasted until a later round are full of themselves, none of us now that. Even if he would have so freaking what, if BASK thinks LT could become a legit NFL QB then you have to go for it.

Oaken nailed it with his posts.

My preference is that we draft a QB in the top ten of the 1st rd but SK needs more time to accumulate the draft capital to make that move up in the draft. Until then if they see someone who they think is the next Russell Wilson or Drew Brees or Arron Rodgers or heck even Joe Flacko then yes they should go for it. Am I forgetting any quality starting QB's currently playing in the NFL that weren't drafted in the top 10 of the draft? (Rothlisberger was 11th IIRC). Edit, big duh on my part, of course Romo and Brady.

Yes a player taken in the 4th or even 5th rd should be expected to contribute if needed in their first year, unless they are a QB.

 

[cardncubfan]

ya see that's just it....the kid does have talent...... maybe not Manning/Luck talent...but talent. There are hundreds of college QB's out there who put up better college numbers than Thomas who would never get to the level of play he showed last Saturday,..not with any amount of coaching.

Tony Romo was undrafted. Brady went real late. Both of them have talent,...so why were they not first round picks?? How come Romo has never won a championship?
For the QB position more than any other position on the field it is about situation,...... if a player gets drafted by the wrong team they have a very poor chance of being successful,...if a player from a bad college situation gets drafted by the right team,...he can be successful. IMO Thomas was not in the ideal situation for him in college. The offense, the coaches,...there just wasn't a great fit...so we saw mediocre play...but the ability is there.
we have several coaches on this staff with decades of experience... I think this was the best place for him to come to play,...he may fail,...but he has not failed yet.

Good post oaken1.

 

[WildBB]

He's shown a bit of progress. People want results yesterday. Like has been said, we need some patience and maybe we can bide some more time if he shows more development.

I did see some improved foot work. There's a big need for consistency, and that takes some time.

 

[Catfish]

He's shown a bit of progress. People want results yesterday. Like has been said, we need some patience and maybe we can bide some more time if he shows more development.

I did see some improved foot work. There's a big need for consistency, and that takes some time.

What I saw, was that the improved footwork allowed him to make throws with complete confidence into incredibly tight windows. Not all were caught, but all were catchable----------that is a huge difference from his college days and even last year when he led our practice team. I am also happy to see that he was making 2nd and 3rd reads for open receivers in his progression rather than fixating on his first.

Remember, It took Palmer 4 pre season games AND 8 regular season games before he felt comfortable in BA's offense. This kid has had very little opportunity to accumulate any reps in BA's offense. Given all that, I feel he has shown that he is making significant progress thus far.

 

[Mitch]

What I saw, was that the improved footwork allowed him to make throws with complete confidence into incredibly tight windows. Not all were caught, but all were catchable----------that is a huge difference from his college days and even last year when he led our practice team. I am also happy to see that he was making 2nd and 3rd reads for open receivers in his progression rather than fixating on his first.

Remember, It took Palmer 4 pre season games AND 8 regular season games before he felt comfortable in BA's offense. This kid has had very little opportunity to accumulate any reps in BA's offense. Given all that, I feel he has shown that he is making significant progress thus far.

I echo all of this!

 

[CardNots]

I echo all of this!

Add in oaken1 and I'm onboard

 

[CardNots]

Add in oaken1 and I'm onboard

Oh yeah, nice thread!

 

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[Jetstream Green]

Heard they are using a virtual high tech simulator with Thomas so he can progress quickly... here is a secret tape of it that came out lol

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[Garthshort]

I don't know IF there is any hope for LT as a starting QB in the NFL, but it seems that the way he played against KC has increased his confidence level. The videos of this week's practice sessions shows a much improved LT compared to the early practice sessions shown on the NFL channel with Kurt Warner and Ron Wolfey. If nothing else it gives this fan reason to hope.

 

[Mitch]

I don't know IF there is any hope for LT as a starting QB in the NFL, but it seems that the way he played against KC has increased his confidence level. The videos of this week's practice sessions shows a much improved LT compared to the early practice sessions shown on the NFL channel with Kurt Warner and Ron Wolfey. If nothing else it gives this fan reason to hope.

+1

 

[Catfish]

I keep saying that the major difference between a college player and an NFL player lies between his ears. Logan Thomas has ALWAYS had the measurable to be an NFL QB. He has the size, speed, huge arm etc that make coaches drool.

Now, if the light is beginning to come on for him, and he gains that confidence needed to get in there and compete for the position, and he is beginning to see success because of that, then the only thing that can keep him from achieving what he wants is himself, or injury. This kid does NOT appear to be injury prone, so I would think that he has an excellent chance to succeed, given the coaching he will receive on this team, and the availability of the virtual reality system in order for him to get reps that he was unable to get last year.

He has already shown that his accuracy depends upon his footwork and placement. When he has that right, he can throw into incredibly tight windows, as shown by his performance against the Chiefs. He has obviously worked on that aspect of his game or he would not have been able to make those throws. He has also obviously worked on his reads, as he was pretty much on with them in the Chiefs game as well. Given the complexity of BA's offense, he at least handled the vanilla offense last week. I am anxious to see how he responds this week, given that he feels pretty good about what he has done so far.

Confidence is the name of the game with him now, and he is beginning to show some of that. If this kid ever gets to the point that he BELIEVES he can be that guy on this team, then I see no reason why he won't be that guy, given the coaching, veteran leadership, and equipment available for him to take advantage of.

 

[moklerman]

I just got around to watching the KC/AZ game and from reading all of the negative stuff about LT I expected to see a very ineffective QB.

But I saw quite the opposite. This guy's got all the physical tools and Arians is making progress with him. Maybe he isn't ready for prime time yet but I wouldn't bet against Arians making him into something.

In a year or two, it won't surprise me at all to see LT terrorizing the NFCW.

 

[juza76]

in 2 quarters thomas played against second and third string players but couldnt put any points in the scoreboard

 

[Buckybird]

I find it just amazing that some fans still think Blogan will amount to anything.

He's the ultimate tease because of his athletic ability, cannon arm & not anything else. I just don't buy the argument that his so called improved footwork will improve his accuracy to make him a solid NFL passer. I still say that's a God given talent, along with anticipation & ball location which I just don't think he's good enough at or will ever be. Will he ever get a shot to prove he can play against the 1st teamers? I doubt it because this team is in the win now mode.

I compare LT to EJ Manuel & Josh Freeman. Lots of physical tools & not enough talent mainly in the accuracy department. The guy basically had 1 great game in college...1. Sure some guys here will bring up Brady, Favre, Montana among others. But imo those QBs flashed at points of their college careers, not just once. They had games of greatness which seems to be a trait for an unfinished & unpolished QB.

Let's not forget Blogan once again showed up against mostly 3-4 teamers that most will be out of a job because they simply aren't quite NFL caliber. I can't even see him having more than a 3-4 year career because he's not good enough to be able to possibly step in & do a serviceable job while another teams QB is hurt or whatever else.

Many here thought Levi Clown simply needed to improve his technique to be a serviceable NFL OT. Well if he did, his play on the field didn't reflect that. He got cut twice & traded once & yet in the prime of his career can't make an NFL roster because imo, he simply isn't good enough.

I wish LT was good enough so the Cards had a QBOTF, but unfortunately he's isn't imo & the Cards need to move on & make a trade for Mike Glennon ASAP.

 

[Buckybird]

in 2 quarters thomas played against second and third string players but couldnt put any points in the scoreboard

Now you making to much sense

 

[DVontel]

I find it just amazing that some fans still think Blogan will amount to anything.

He's the ultimate tease because of his athletic ability, cannon arm & not anything else. I just don't buy the argument that his so called improved footwork will improve his accuracy to make him a solid NFL passer. I still say that's a God given talent, along with anticipation & ball location which I just don't think he's good enough at or will ever be. Will he ever get a shot to prove he can play against the 1st teamers? I doubt it because this team is in the win now mode.

I compare LT to EJ Manuel & Josh Freeman. Lots of physical tools & not enough talent mainly in the accuracy department. The guy basically had 1 great game in college...1. Sure some guys here will bring up Brady, Favre, Montana among others. But imo those QBs flashed at points of their college careers, not just once. They had games of greatness which seems to be a trait for an unfinished & unpolished QB.

Let's not forget Blogan once again showed up against mostly 3-4 teamers that most will be out of a job because they simply aren't quite NFL caliber. I can't even see him having more than a 3-4 year career because he's not good enough to be able to possibly step in & do a serviceable job while another teams QB is hurt or whatever else.

Many here thought Levi Clown simply needed to improve his technique to be a serviceable NFL OT. Well if he did, his play on the field didn't reflect that. He got cut twice & traded once & yet in the prime of his career can't make an NFL roster because imo, he simply isn't good enough.

I wish LT was good enough so the Cards had a QBOTF, but unfortunately he's isn't imo & the Cards need to move on & make a trade for Mike Glennon ASAP.

Agreed.

And even if the numbers don't show it, I feel Sims looked better against the Chiefs, especially what with he had to work it. If you go back & watch the game, you can see Sims connecting to the WRs on several passes but of course they were dropped. Sims also has this thing called "Touch" which Blogan does not.

 

[oaken1]

y'all must have watched a different game. Thomas had a pick....because the WR let the ball slip through his hands and bounce off his numbers....don't recall which WR it was,.. but that dude would have never made a roster trying to catch passes from Elway or Favre.. or even Marino........... Thomas also threw a TD...which Golden could not hang on too...which kinda shocked me,.. hell, I could have pulled that in before going out of bounds.
You fellas can hate if you want to. But we may not see a true franchise caliber QB here for another twenty years.... Mannings and Brady's and Rodgers',...well they just do not come along very often.
We are very fortunate to have a situation where a young guy with all of the tools can come in and spend a few seasons learning behind a good QB,...and not have to be thrown into a game before he is fully ready to lead the offense. Bad habits and damaged psychology are much harder to fix under live fire.
The guy played at VT...not USC, or Bama, or even Michigan...... but VT....there is a mile wide gap not only between the caliber of competition seen daily, but also between the caliber of coaching received daily.

 

[Shaggy]

in 2 quarters thomas played against second and third string players but couldnt put any points in the scoreboard

True, but how many drops did the WR have especially Golden at the end zone and his INT was right at the numbers of the WR that bounced off when he should have caught it. He played well, just admit it.

y'all must have watched a different game. Thomas had a pick....because the WR let the ball slip through his hands and bounce off his numbers....don't recall which WR it was,.. but that dude would have never made a roster trying to catch passes from Elway or Favre.. or even Marino........... Thomas also threw a TD...which Golden could not hang on too...which kinda shocked me,.. hell, I could have pulled that in before going out of bounds.
You fellas can hate if you want to. But we may not see a true franchise caliber QB here for another twenty years.... Mannings and Brady's and Rodgers',...well they just do not come along very often.
We are very fortunate to have a situation where a young guy with all of the tools can come in and spend a few seasons learning behind a good QB,...and not have to be thrown into a game before he is fully ready to lead the offense. Bad habits and damaged psychology are much harder to fix under live fire.
The guy played at VT...not USC, or Bama, or even Michigan...... but VT....there is a mile wide gap not only between the caliber of competition seen daily, but also between the caliber of coaching received daily.

I don't get it either oaken. I understand he didn't do well in the games he played but we all knew he wasn't ready. I might be wrong if he tanks tomorrow, but what I saw last Saturday, he was a totally different QB then last year.

 

[Buckybird]

True, but how many drops did the WR have especially Golden at the end zone and his INT was right at the numbers of the WR that bounced off when he should have caught it. He played well, just admit it.

/QUOTE]

I guess you missed the other throw that was terrible on a crossing route that should've been a pick 6, but the LB dropped it!

Did he play better than he has all camp? You bet, but his so so play isn't gonna get him advanced up the depth anytime soon imo.

 

[Shaggy]

I guess you missed the other throw that was terrible on a crossing route that should've been a pick 6, but the LB dropped it!

Did he play better than he has all camp? You bet, but his so so play isn't gonna get him advanced up the depth anytime soon imo.

I don't expect him to, but calling him a bust with just one year under his belt when BA even said he was a 3 year project, is wasted breath.

 

[cardncubfan]

y'all must have watched a different game. Thomas had a pick....because the WR let the ball slip through his hands and bounce off his numbers....don't recall which WR it was,.. but that dude would have never made a roster trying to catch passes from Elway or Favre.. or even Marino........... Thomas also threw a TD...which Golden could not hang on too...which kinda shocked me,.. hell, I could have pulled that in before going out of bounds.
You fellas can hate if you want to. But we may not see a true franchise caliber QB here for another twenty years.... Mannings and Brady's and Rodgers',...well they just do not come along very often.
We are very fortunate to have a situation where a young guy with all of the tools can come in and spend a few seasons learning behind a good QB,...and not have to be thrown into a game before he is fully ready to lead the offense. Bad habits and damaged psychology are much harder to fix under live fire.
The guy played at VT...not USC, or Bama, or even Michigan...... but VT....there is a mile wide gap not only between the caliber of competition seen daily, but also between the caliber of coaching received daily.

That was Jaron Brown. It hit him right in the chest & bounced back into the hands of a defender. Definitely wasn't LT's fault.

 

[cardncubfan]

Perfect pass by LT to Jaxon Shipley.

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos/v...rd-catch/4240dfc5-1934-400b-9e4b-91dbbad429ae