Thomas as Cards QBOF

[oaken1]

Toss those stats out the window. Seriously. He basically did not play - just like every other Favre backup ever. To base anything off 31 passes in 2 of his first 3 years is ridiculous and the percentages mean nothing.

Rodgers was a first round stud QB pick who easily could have played for a team that didn't already have a solid starting QB.

Thomas was a surprise pick in the fourth round when most had him going much later.

No comparison.

Brian....dude,.... really??


Rodgers was a Jeff Tedford QB....statistically he should have been a top 5 pick...he slid to GB because he came from a college program the had proven their QB's do not transfer well to the NFL.... every Tedford QB prior to Rodgers was a huge failure at the NFL level.. know what else they had in common other than Tedford?? They went to teams that needed them to play right now instead of teams that could take a few years to develop them.

– Trent Dilfer (Tampa Bay, 1994), Akili Smith (Cincinnati, 1999), David Carr (Houston, 2002), Joey Harrington (Detroit, 2002) and Kyle Boller (Baltimore, 2003) – has pretty much flopped both aggregately and individually.

Carr was arguably the best of the bunch,...while Dilfer actually won a Super Bowl.....but when you look at these four guys can you honestly say you want one of them starting for your team?? Trent Dilfer has been the main argument that a team can succeed with just a game manager behind center...in which case we would be fine with just Stanton.....

But Rodgers got lucky with his long slide in the green room....because of the Tedford stigma, san fran decided not to select him first overall and he slid...........to a team with a great coaching staff that could afford to let him sit behind a pro bowl caliber QB for a few years....

Rodgers actually sat behind a guy who in his first four seasons threw for 70 TD's and 53 INT's...that is a 17.5/13.25 ratio.....pretty piss poor accuracy really

53 interceptions in four years....but Green Bay stuck with the guy.......and now he is headed to Canton.

you said "To base anything off 31 passes in 2 of his first 3 years is ridiculous and the percentages mean nothing."

however, you appear to be willing to condemn Thomas based on two preseason games and a single late season sub in which he had zero reps to prepare...zero reps all season in fact...unless you count running the scout team...which is not even our offense...

 

[Brian in Mesa]

you said "To base anything off 31 passes in 2 of his first 3 years is ridiculous and the percentages mean nothing."

however, you appear to be willing to condemn Thomas based on two preseason games and a single late season sub in which he had zero reps to prepare...zero reps all season in fact...unless you count running the scout team...which is not even our offense...

Thomas should have real game stats to look at but the coaching staff was afraid to play him. So much so that they brought back Ryan Lindley - who had shown nothing at the pro level - and played him instead.

I was one of the ones on here rallying for Thomas to play. If the guy cannot go - why the heck did you waste a pick on him? He had plenty of opportunities to take ALL of the snaps in practices and play in real games with both top QB's out for injuries, yet the staff had ZERO faith in him.

Seriously, most teams would have gone to a vanilla offense if needed and played their draft pick.

Had Favre gone down in any of those three seasons - would the Packers have played Rodgers or some scrub from the waiver wire?

 

[DVontel]

I honestly have more faith in Sims as an NFL QB than Logan.

 

[kerouac9]

Toss those stats out the window. Seriously. He basically did not play - just like every other Favre backup ever. To base anything off 31 passes in 2 of his first 3 years is ridiculous and the percentages mean nothing.

Rodgers was a first round stud QB pick who easily could have played for a team that didn't already have a solid starting QB.

Thomas was a surprise pick in the fourth round when most had him going much later.

No comparison.

I don't know if Rodgers was a "first-round stud QB pick" — that feels like the benefit of a lot of hindsight. And Rodgers was at least unconvincing enough that the Packers invested a 2nd or 3rd round pick in Brian Brohm two years later.

Rodgers in his second preseason completed 57.9% of his attempts with 3 TDs and 1 INT and 8.5 YPA. I'll feel comfortable with Thomas's progression if he can put those numbers together in his preseason action.

I think that putting a lot of weight in the virtual reality setup is misunderstanding what's actually out there. Basically (and people who have been to practices will back me up), an assistant puts a camera on a tripod behind the QBs during seven-on-seven work and films a 360-degree view. That's it. I don't think it's light-years ahead than the All-22 look; the angle of view has just changed.

What I do know about Rodgers is that after

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I don't know if Rodgers was a "first-round stud QB pick" — that feels like the benefit of a lot of hindsight.

He was projected by many, including USA Today, to be selected #1 overall by the 49ers. Once the Niners went with Alex Smith, he slipped down to the Packers at #24. The teams in between all went with non-QB needs. Rodgers was still the second QB taken.

I don't think Logan Thomas was ever projected to be the #1 overall pick, unless you have access to some sources I do not.

 

[kerouac9]

He was projected by many, including USA Today, to be selected #1 overall by the 49ers. Once the Niners went with Alex Smith, he slipped down to the Packers at #24. The teams in between all went with non-QB needs. Rodgers was still the second QB taken.

I don't think Logan Thomas was ever projected to be the #1 overall pick, unless you have access to some sources I do not.

I agree with you that comparing Logan Thomas to Aaron Rodgers is inane. I just don't agree with you that Rodgers was a top QB prospect — he did a lot of work in two offseasons to turn himself into the best QB in the NFL when his number was finally called.

Top-shelf QB prospects don't fall to #24. Guys with warts do.

 

[Shaggy]

He was projected by many, including USA Today, to be selected #1 overall by the 49ers. Once the Niners went with Alex Smith, he slipped down to the Packers at #24. The teams in between all went with non-QB needs. Rodgers was still the second QB taken.

I don't think Logan Thomas was ever projected to be the #1 overall pick, unless you have access to some sources I do not.

I'm not sure where you stand here. Are you for Thomas or against? If against, then why are you, when he was just a 4th rd pick that we all knew was going to be a guy that needed at least 3 years to develop and you think he is a wasted pick 2 years in?

I love how we are now arguing over our 3 string QB but to think Thomas is a wasted pick now is crazy.

 

[Zeno]

I'm not sure where you stand here. Are you for Thomas or against? If against, then why are you when he was just a 4th rd pick that we all knew was going to be a guy that needed at least 3 years to develop and you think he is a wasted pick 2 years in?

I love how we are now arguing over our 3 string QB but to think Thomas is a wasted pick now is crazy.

You can't afford to waste 3 years on project QBs anymore...by the time you figure out if they have it figured out their rookie contract has expired.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'm not sure where you stand here. Are you for Thomas or against? If against, then why are you when he was just a 4th rd pick that we all knew was going to be a guy that needed at least 3 years to develop and you think he is a wasted pick 2 years in?

I love how we are now arguing over our 3 string QB but to think Thomas is a wasted pick now is crazy.

I'm not a project QB kind of guy. If you draft a player to play a position and the players ahead of him get hurt - he better be ready to suit up. If not, he shouldn't be on the roster.

Last year we were "Next Man Up, except at the QB position." SMH

Logan should have suited up and played once #1 and #2 were hurt. Simple as that. If playing in the NFL "too soon" is going to ruin a player ... that player might not be equipped for an NFL career.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'm not a project QB kind of guy. If you draft a player to play a position and the players ahead of him get hurt - he better be ready to suit up. If not, he shouldn't be on the roster.

Last year we were "Next Man Up, except at the QB position." SMH

Logan should have suited up and played once #1 and #2 were hurt. Simple as that. If playing in the NFL "too soon" is going to ruin a player ... that player might not be equipped for an NFL career.

And how many rookie QBs in even the last few years would have been ready to step into BA's offense and be successful in the rookie year? They didn't want to go with Thomas because they didn't feel like he had a firm enough grasp on the system. That seems to have more to do with him being a rookie than a lost cause IMO.

 

[Buckybird]

And how many rookie QBs in even the last few years would have been ready to step into BA's offense and be successful in the rookie year? They didn't want to go with Thomas because they didn't feel like he had a firm enough grasp on the system. That seems to have more to do with him being a rookie than a lost cause IMO.

And yet we started a guy in the playoffs whom every Cards fan knew sucked ass!!

The result...worst playoff offensive performance EVER lol

 

[Brian in Mesa]

And yet we started a guy in the playoffs whom every Cards fan knew sucked ass!!

The result...worst playoff offensive performance EVER lol

Exactly.

They played a lost cause over a rookie.

 

[Mitch]

Exactly.

They played a lost cause over a rookie.

Primarily because Lindley knew the plays and Thomas didn't.

It seems many people are blaming this on Thomas---but, because BA had no intentions of playing Thomas for a couple of years, Thomas received 0 reps with the first team, which during the season means 0 reps. Thomas was running the scout team---which meant running other team's plays.

It wasn't fair to Thomas or the team to throw him out there as under-prepared as he was. See Lindley in his rookie year. Same deal, only the head coach then insisted on it because of how fed up he was with the other QBs.

 

[Shaggy]

Like Mitch said, no need to blame Thomas. If he hasn't made any strides to be better this year then last, then I understand being upset with the pick. So for in the preseason game, he has looked so much better then he did last year. Not just on accuracy but on knowing what to do by stepping into the pocket rather then running. If he ends up looking like he did last year in the next few games, yep it was a wasted pick. I don't see that happening though.

 

[Buckybird]

Primarily because Lindley knew the plays and Thomas didn't.

It seems many people are blaming this on Thomas---but, because BA had no intentions of playing Thomas for a couple of years, Thomas received 0 reps with the first team, which during the season means 0 reps. Thomas was running the scout team---which meant running other team's plays.

It wasn't fair to Thomas or the team to throw him out there as under-prepared as he was. See Lindley in his rookie year. Same deal, only the head coach then insisted on it because of how fed up he was with the other QBs.

And yet he cut Blindley because he wasn't good enough. You know I'm no Thomas fan but picking up almost anyone off the street gave the Cards a better shot to win than playing that waste!!!

I luv BA, but that move was a dumb as cutting Levi, then being dumb enough to resign him again then cutting him again after his poor play!!!

 

[Shaggy]

And yet he cut Blindley because he wasn't good enough. You know I'm no Thomas fan but picking up almost anyone off the street gave the Cards a better shot to win than playing that waste!!!

I luv BA, but that move was a dumb as cutting Levi, then being dumb enough to resign him again then cutting him again after his poor play!!!

Speaking of Levi, is he playing anywhere?

 

[Buckybird]

Speaking of Levi, is he playing anywhere?

Negatory & some teams Oline & sacks are better off because of it lol

 

[oaken1]

BA brought Lindley in because he knew the offense,...and because he did not want to risk turning Thomas into another Lindley.

as frustrating as it was at the time IMO he made the right call............. the error he made was in assuming he would never have to see a third stringer play significant snaps. From the comments he has made recently I would guess he will not make that same mistake again.
You folks want to hate on the player...but regardless of how much money these guys are paid,...it is a job, the coach is their boss,...they do at practice what they are told to do it practice.....when coach says run the other teams plays, they run the other teams plays. having a player on your team, in an important position, and not prepared to play,...well,...that is the coaching staffs fault as much as anybody.

Had the staff put the work into him last season, but it turned out the kid was butt assed lazy or completely incapable of playing at this level,..as many of you assume,...they would have cut him back in January.

 

[Buckybird]

Had the staff put the work into him last season, but it turned out the kid was butt assed lazy or completely incapable of playing at this level,..as many of you assume,...they would have cut him back in January.

This isn't about being lazy or incapable Oaken, this is about talent!

I know BA, Keim & his staff have forgot more than I will ever know about the NFL game but this kid imo wasn't worth the 4th round gamble in the first place! Thomas was unproductive in college outside of 1 great game against the U. 1 freaking game!

I almost bet if he would've been drafted in the 7th rd or a FA he probably would've been cut last year.

 

[cardncubfan]

And yet he cut Blindley because he wasn't good enough. You know I'm no Thomas fan but picking up almost anyone off the street gave the Cards a better shot to win than playing that waste!!!

I luv BA, but that move was a dumb as cutting Levi, then being dumb enough to resign him again then cutting him again after his poor play!!!

Who is this magical QB you speak of???

 

[Buckybird]

Who is this magical QB you speak of???

I guess Charlie Batch didn't know BAs system?

I'd say he could've produced more than 85 yds lol

 

[Shaggy]

I guess Charlie Batch didn't know BAs system?

I'd say he could've produced more than 85 yds lol

I was hoping they would have picked him up, but wasn't he sitting on his couch for about 2 years?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I was hoping they would have picked him up, but wasn't he sitting on his couch for about 2 years?

His couch may have outplayed Lindley.

 

[Buckybird]

His couch may have outplayed Lindley.

My dog had his Cards jersey on barking in disgust & I'm sure he could've thrown for at least 100 yds & run for another 30

 

[cardncubfan]

I guess Charlie Batch didn't know BAs system?

I'd say he could've produced more than 85 yds lol

Isn't he 85 years old?