Throw Down Time: Warner or McCown!

[coyotesareback]

Josh can:

1. Throw the ball with velocity (yet to see warner fire one in there)
2. escapablity (which is key with our oline)(one play took like 5 different hits from guys yesterday before they got him down) (warner folds on contact)
3. team plays HARD for him (anybody watching can see they support him)
4. HE WINS!!!! ( hard to argue he has been more effective than warner)
5. can scramble and pick up first downs with his legs if neccesary (warner obviously cant pulled a groin just rolling out, not to mention defenses have to play differently knowing he can run, they just bring the house everytime with kurt they know he is not going anywhere but down.)
6. Distributes the ball gets it to Q and Fitz in the redzone
7. SCORES POINTS (gets points on the board, warner did not)
8. Whether or not some here want to beleive it he leads the team and they follow him better than warner period.

Warner can:
1. read defenses well

well thats all he has shown this season, and quite frankly if he does that so well why has he not shredded any and score points?

2. Can continue to help Josh develop to read defenses better

I think JOSH is and should be the clear cut starter barring injury.

 

[conraddobler]

DG dose not like Josh.

I don't think he cares for his personality to be more precise so for whatever reason, barring Josh absolutely lighting it up, he's going in a different direction every chance he gets.

He made that decision last year, he's got no reason to change his mind now because it's not based solely on performance.

Josh was a cheap functional backup for this year, The single best thing he could do for his career right now barring just playing lights out the rest of the year is to sit down and stay there.

He has enough attention and stats to get a good payday and leave here and if the coach dosen't think you fit his type of player then by all means you need to leave or prove him ridiculously wrong and Josh isn't going to do the latter.

So really since I like Josh as a person, I want Warner to start the rest of the year and if he fails put in Navarre and see what he can do, just let Josh go and trade for Dante if you can if not then trade for someone else or sign a FA.

Josh has done enough for this team, let the kid just be and sit him and then get rid of him, no more mind games the kid actually believes what he's told and that's pretty sad.

He can fail or not somewhere else, he'll get a good payday to try and be set for life, no need to feel sorry for him but bottom line stop wasting my time with these clowns and get someone for the future.

 

[vince56]

My bad...I thought that was him that threw that Td to Fitz.

We were already ahead by 3.

 

[Russ Smith]

So really since I like Josh as a person, I want Warner to start the rest of the year and if he fails put in Navarre and see what he can do, just let Josh go and trade for Dante if you can if not then trade for someone else or sign a FA.

I just don't buy they're going to trade Culpepper too big of a caphit and no apparent gain. he's off to a bad start but he's playing hurt and their OL stinks. They know the guy can play, he does throw too many picks and he is a concern at his weight if he has knee problems but they'd be crazy to gut the team in 2 years of Moss AND Culpepper.

 

[Assface]

I think Pete Kendall should start at QB.

 

[conraddobler]

I just don't buy they're going to trade Culpepper too big of a caphit and no apparent gain. he's off to a bad start but he's playing hurt and their OL stinks. They know the guy can play, he does throw too many picks and he is a concern at his weight if he has knee problems but they'd be crazy to gut the team in 2 years of Moss AND Culpepper.

I hear ya, it sounds crazy but I would bet big money they've brought it up. It's Green's MO to a T.

He knows Dante can play, bring him back into your system and put another genius button on your jacket.

Hey with a new owner almost anything is possible, the guy is stark raving ticked about the teams antics, he's going to clean house in a major way, if it weren't for that I'd say it would have no chance but imagine being a new owner and having to talk to the commissioner about that kind of stuff, It'd make me furious while my team was losing to have that come up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9665387#storyContinued

Seems like he was on the boat and if the FBI dude finds out he was participating "It's hilarious to read the take about how the commissioner told him he needed to hire the guy" I wouldn't bet large amounts we don't trade for him.

 

[Assface]

Warner on the road. Josh at home!

I'll go with Josh. He's been playing well for the most part. He's looked bad at times but every QB does. Kurt makes better decisions and is more accurate but Josh can imporivise in ways no other QB on our roster can, which is something we need. If we had a solid running game and could utilize play action I might be more inclined to go with Kurt but we don't so I won't.

 

[Shane]

If Kurt had started yesterday that game wouldn't have been close.

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That is wishful thinking at its finest level Harley. Warner has shown nothing this year to back up such a statement either.

 

[coyotesareback]

Agreed shane!

Josh has shown way more in his 3 game compared to warners and oh yeah he gets points and wins!

This really should be a no brainer but with Green you never know coming off 3 games at 2-1 and could have been 3-0 he would be making a huge mistake. Not to mention if he puts warner back there against dallas well that just might end the whole debate because warner will be out the rest of the season after dallas' defense KILLS HIM!!

 

[AZCB34]

I want Rohan Davey. He should be well acquainted with the playbook by now and I know he is starting material...dude could take the Cards all the way. What number is he so I can watch for him?

On second thought, I will take that Navarro guy.


Disclaimer: The preceeding message is dripping with humor.


I cannot believe this is STILL an issue. Good Lord people, the team wins again when McCown is at the helm of the O, even though he had a rough day, and he gets sat again?? I expect Denny to bench Josh because quite frankly I think Denny is a raving imcompent dimwit who cannot coach a Pop Warner team to a championship and he hates to win ugly more than he hates to lose.

 

[Brian]

That is wishful thinking at its finest level Harley. Warner has shown nothing this year to back up such a statement either.

And Josh has shown nothing EVER that he can be a quality starting NFL quarterback.

I do not care that Josh has "won games" this year. It was against the 40-friggin'-niners and an absolutely decimated Titans team....and he was a dropped int from losing that one.

Everyone here is in agreement that the o-line is pass blocking better, i.e better than when Kurt started.

Look at the combined records of the teams Warner started against vs. who Josh started against.

Look, I am not a Warner lover nor am I a Josh hater, I am a realist.

If you and I were NFL gm's and only two QB's were available (Josh and Kurt) and you picked Josh..........

I would fall down laughing.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

And Josh has shown nothing EVER that he can be a quality starting NFL quarterback.

I do not care that Josh has "won games" this year. It was against the 40-friggin'-niners and an absolutely decimated Titans team....and he was a dropped int from losing that one.

Everyone here is in agreement that the o-line is pass blocking better, i.e better than when Kurt started.

Look at the combined records of the teams Warner started against vs. who Josh started against.

Look, I am not a Warner lover nor am I a Josh hater, I am a realist.

If you and I were NFL gm's and only two QB's were available (Josh and Kurt) and you picked Josh..........

I would fall down laughing.

Yeah? Well, at least we would have W's...

 

[Brian]

Yeah? Well, at least we would have W's...

Do you HONESTLY think that this team couldn't have beaten the 49'ers with Kurt at the helm?

Like I said, the Cards won yesterday against a horrible Titans team in spite of Josh. Josh didn't get that win, the Titans just were the first across the last-mistake-of-the-game-loses marathon finish line.

 

[coyotesareback]

Dude look the Cards won in spite of McCown argument is the dumbest damn argument to back up your stance. The fact is that with McCown starting the teams plays harder and WON games. And to say that the line yesterday looked better than when warner played you have got to be kidding me he was running for his life all day. McCown right now is the better starting QB for this team period. I am not sure what your Warner fascination is all about what has he done enlighten us? He what can read defenses good? Why the hell did he not carve them up or score any points? Get the point? McCown leads the team to wins and that is what it is all about, I dont care if they are ugly or pretty as long as we win. By the way their are ugly wins all over the NFL every week and if we come out on top I will take 10 more ugly wins this season without a second thought!

 

[gamebird98]

Yea, but near the end of the game, Ten. could have kicked a field goal, but they were down by 10.....kinda changes the game....don't ya think

We were already ahead by 3.

 

[stewdog1]

Dude look the Cards won in spite of McCown argument is the dumbest damn argument to back up your stance. The fact is that with McCown starting the teams plays harder and WON games.

That first statement is so laughable. Yesterday is one of the worst displays of quarterbacking I have ever seen, even by Cardinal standards.

Please show how the team plays harder when McCown plays vs. Kurt. Probably from the fact that the defense knows that they have to play to win the game for the offense when Josh is in there.

Even if the Cardinals win against Dallas and Josh plays exactly the way he did this week, I would still call for his benching. There is no way that you can win consistently with the crap that he throws.

What is it with Cardinal fans and blindly showing loyalty to QB's that have no business starting? We haven't seen an NFL QB since Beurelein. The closest we have is Warner.

I will say it again. You play your best players if you expect to win.

 

[conraddobler]

That first statement is so laughable. Yesterday is one of the worst displays of quarterbacking I have ever seen, even by Cardinal standards.

Please show how the team plays harder when McCown plays vs. Kurt. Probably from the fact that the defense knows that they have to play to win the game for the offense when Josh is in there.

Even if the Cardinals win against Dallas and Josh plays exactly the way he did this week, I would still call for his benching. There is no way that you can win consistently with the crap that he throws.

What is it with Cardinal fans and blindly showing loyalty to QB's that have no business starting? We haven't seen an NFL QB since Beurelein. The closest we have is Warner.

I will say it again. You play your best players if you expect to win.

Why would Kurt bother to teach the kid anything if he thought he was hopeless?

I really don't mind Kurt playing, when he's healed he should play, Green said that he dosen't believe you lose your job to injury so Kurt should play when he's ready and about 100%.

Then we will see and let the best QB win.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

That is like saying Smith was better than Shipp when he was with us.

Um, Emmitt was/is better than Shipp. It's why he got the starting nod last year over a healthy Marcel.

It will be nice when we have a real QB so these stupid arguments go to 49ers boards where they belong. I really could care less who starts at QB because like almost every Cardinal game I have ever seen, it's the play of the defense that decides whether we win or lose because our offense flat out sucks.

 

[Red Dawn]

I want Josh to start because I have his jersey and I have only been able to wear it once. Also, Kurt has a weak groin, and everyone knows a quarterback needs a strong groin.

 

[Shane]

And Josh has shown nothing EVER that he can be a quality starting NFL quarterback.

I do not care that Josh has "won games" this year. It was against the 40-friggin'-niners and an absolutely decimated Titans team....and he was a dropped int from losing that one.

Everyone here is in agreement that the o-line is pass blocking better, i.e better than when Kurt started.

Look at the combined records of the teams Warner started against vs. who Josh started against.

Look, I am not a Warner lover nor am I a Josh hater, I am a realist.

If you and I were NFL gm's and only two QB's were available (Josh and Kurt) and you picked Josh..........

I would fall down laughing.

Sorry Harley we usually agree. But you are way off teh boat on this one bro. Especially in your highlighted part. That O-line yesterday was the worst its been all year in pass blocking. So where exactly do we all agree that they are better?

Josh is much better than you give him credit for. I get sick of the he was one dropped INT from losing that game. Well I could say that he was 5 dropped passes away from scoring 10 more points n the game etc etc.... That argument holds no merit whatsoever.

 

[Snakester]

I like McCown and in time he should become a smarter QB. He is a much better athlete than Warner is for sure. The one thing Josh does not have is Warner's experience and smarts. If it was up to me I would start Warner. He is clearly the better QB right now.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I like McCown and in time he should become a smarter QB..

perhaps Id agree if we could pin down the in time part. If we are talking 2 months ok sounds good. Are we talking 5 years? No thx

 

[Snakester]

perhaps Id agree if we could pin down the in time part. If we are talking 2 months ok sounds good. Are we talking 5 years? No thx

Josh is still a couple years away from putting it all together. I like the kid, but he makes some of the dumbest mistakes on the football field.

 

[blindseyed]

Josh is still a couple years away from putting it all together. I like the kid, but he makes some of the dumbest mistakes on the football field.

In 2 yrs he'll have 6 years in the league....let him start the rest of the year. His wins are against 2 very bad teams, he needs to prove he can win against good teams AND come from behind instead of getting befuddled and anxious. The Cowboys this week and the Hawks next are good tests.

 

[Snakester]

In 2 yrs he'll have 6 years in the league....let him start the rest of the year. His wins are against 2 very bad teams, he needs to prove he can win against good teams AND come from behind instead of getting befuddled and anxious. The Cowboys this week and the Hawks next are good tests.

I hope Warner is put back in for the Hawks. Let McCown start against the Cowboys so Warner will be 100% when he comes back.