Throw the house at Porzingis

[NashDishesDimes]

Phil jackson open to offers for Porzingis reportedly. There is also a report the Suns inquired and Knicks asked for #4 and Dbook or Marquees Chriss.

I dont think there is a better possible deal the Suns can make then throw everything at the Knicks except Dbook and Ullis.

A core of Ullis, Dbook, Porzingis and another 7 foot shooter in Dragan on the floor at the same time would make the most interesting roster in the league in my opinion. If you add an elite wing defender at some point, that is a championship core.

Ullis height can be negated by two athletic shot blocking 7 footers beyond him and Ullis is the perfect distributing point guard to feed these guys.

MAKE THIS DEAL HAPPEN. It is the only trade worth it for the #4. I would offer #4, Chriss, a Miami 1st rounder, and Bledsoe to get the deal done.

 

[devilalum]

Some have talked about the Suns also taking back Noah. If this were the case I don't think you have to give very much beyond the #4 pick. Noah is a YUUUUGE albatross.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I would love a deal that brings in Porzingis, but I hope to god that they don't "throw the house" for him. IMO he isn't a much better prospect than Chriss and thus giving up Chriss and the #4 is too much for my taste.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Throw the house at Porzingis?

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Phil jackson open to offers for Porzingis reportedly. There is also a report the Suns inquired and Knicks asked for #4 and Dbook or Marquees Chriss.

I dont think there is a better possible deal the Suns can make then throw everything at the Knicks except Dbook and Ullis.

A core of Ullis, Dbook, Porzingis and another 7 foot shooter in Dragan on the floor at the same time would make the most interesting roster in the league in my opinion. If you add an elite wing defender at some point, that is a championship core.

Ullis height can be negated by two athletic shot blocking 7 footers beyond him and Ullis is the perfect distributing point guard to feed these guys.

MAKE THIS DEAL HAPPEN. It is the only trade worth it for the #4. I would offer #4, Chriss, a Miami 1st rounder, and Bledsoe to get the deal done.

Seems a little rich. Id keep Bled off the trade to NY. We can use him in another trade scenario. Throw in Buckets.

I agree that Ulis could be our PGOTF. Absolutely love his game.

 

[Chaplin]

Seems a little rich. Id keep Bled off the trade to NY. We can use him in another trade scenario. Throw in Buckets.

I agree that Ulis could be our PGOTF. Absolutely love his game.

I like Ulis, but PGOTF? I'm not so sure. For every Ulis or Isaiah Thomas, there are dozens of Yuta Tabuse's.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Phil jackson open to offers for Porzingis reportedly. There is also a report the Suns inquired and Knicks asked for #4 and Dbook or Marquees Chriss.

I dont think there is a better possible deal the Suns can make then throw everything at the Knicks except Dbook and Ullis.

A core of Ullis, Dbook, Porzingis and another 7 foot shooter in Dragan on the floor at the same time would make the most interesting roster in the league in my opinion. If you add an elite wing defender at some point, that is a championship core.

Ullis height can be negated by two athletic shot blocking 7 footers beyond him and Ullis is the perfect distributing point guard to feed these guys.

MAKE THIS DEAL HAPPEN. It is the only trade worth it for the #4. I would offer #4, Chriss, a Miami 1st rounder, and Bledsoe to get the deal done.

Keep Chriss. Make it Bender. I really like Bender, but we don't need Porzingis and Bender on the same roster. Maybe add a pick or take back a contract.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

I like Ulis, but PGOTF? I'm not so sure. For every Ulis or Isaiah Thomas, there are dozens of Yuta Tabuse's.

Lol Yuta Tabuse, forgot about that guy. Ullis averaged like 17 and 8 as a starter. If he was 6'3 everyone would be saying hes a budding star. I think lonzo or Fultz would be ecstatic to average that this year. Obviously theres a possibility he doesnt pan out but for people to not recognize those numbers with a high degree of optimism is beyond me.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

I like Ulis, but PGOTF? I'm not so sure. For every Ulis or Isaiah Thomas, there are dozens of Yuta Tabuse's.

For the small sample size and the fact that he was only a rookie I am very encouraged. PGOTF maybe a little optimistic but despite his size, Id rather have him than Bled.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

I would love a deal that brings in Porzingis, but I hope to god that they don't "throw the house" for him. IMO he isn't a much better prospect than Chriss and thus giving up Chriss and the #4 is too much for my taste.

No way, Porzingis is a number one scoring option on the offensive end. Chriss is not an iso guy nor will he likely ever be. Where Porzingis has more potential even than a Dirk, is he is athletic and already a VERY good defender and shot blocker. His ceiling is significantly higher than chriss. Chriss absolute ceiling to me is 20 and 9 with solid defense. Porzingis is 30 11, and tops in the league in blocks.

 

[elindholm]

Some have talked about the Suns also taking back Noah. If this were the case I don't think you have to give very much beyond the #4 pick. Noah is a YUUUUGE albatross.

Needing to take on Noah shouldn't be a deal-breaker. This is why you maintain financial flexibility. Noah's contract wouldn't be a major problem until 2019-20, his last year, when the extensions for Booker and Porzingis would kick in. The Suns can worry about that later. In the meantime, basically you're paying ~$25 million per year to Porzingis and Noah, which isn't that bad a deal, if you don't think about who's getting the bulk of the money.

 

[GatorAZ]

Porzingis is slightly further along than Dirk was at the same age plus he's got 2-3 inches on him and has higher athletic upside. I throw the house at him without much thought. Take back Noah if they'll take Chandler.

 

[Bodha]

Booker is untouchable, all else Im fine with.

 

[devilalum]

Needing to take on Noah shouldn't be a deal-breaker. This is why you maintain financial flexibility. Noah's contract wouldn't be a major problem until 2019-20, his last year, when the extensions for Booker and Porzingis would kick in. The Suns can worry about that later. In the meantime, basically you're paying ~$25 million per year to Porzingis and Noah, which isn't that bad a deal, if you don't think about who'se getting the bulk of the money.

Oh yeah, I'd much rather take that on than give up Chriss. Chriss and KP on the floor together would be outrageous. Both are quick crazy athletic, shot blocking defenders that can shoot the 3.


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[SirStefan32]

Lol Yuta Tabuse, forgot about that guy. Ullis averaged like 17 and 8 as a starter. If he was 6'3 everyone would be saying hes a budding star. I think lonzo or Fultz would be ecstatic to average that this year. Obviously theres a possibility he doesnt pan out but for people to not recognize those numbers with a high degree of optimism is beyond me.

That's just silly. If Chriss was 7'4, he'd be a budding star. If Warren could shoot like Steve Nash, he'd be a budding star. If Len had PJ Tucker's intensity, he'd be a star. If I were Brad Pitt, I would have banged Angelina Jolie. He is NOT 6'3.

 

[Hoop Head]

Keep Chriss. Make it Bender. I really like Bender, but we don't need Porzingis and Bender on the same roster. Maybe add a pick or take back a contract.

I agree that Bender and Porzingis have similar skillsets so having both might be redundant, if Bender pans out, but you have to give up something of value to get something.

Lol Yuta Tabuse, forgot about that guy. Ullis averaged like 17 and 8 as a starter. If he was 6'3 everyone would be saying hes a budding star. I think lonzo or Fultz would be ecstatic to average that this year. Obviously theres a possibility he doesnt pan out but for people to not recognize those numbers with a high degree of optimism is beyond me.

I've been surprised by how few fans are high on Ulis. It's almost like they want to relegate him to the bench for the next 10 years. I don't see him being content with that and I think he's much better than a bench player. I wouldn't be surprised if things switched suddenly if he was moved also, similar to how IT was viewed. No one cared for IT when he was here and they wanted him gone but once he was sent packing there are people mad about it because of the player he's proven to be in Boston.

 

[Hoop Head]

I would try and send Bledsoe, Knight, and Chriss for Porzingis and Noah. I'd try to use both Miami picks before the #4 this year, if more is needed, and I'd push to get the Knicks #8 in return if we did have to include the #4.

Porzingis is the sort of young budding star that you go all out to get. If Chriss is the cost then so be it. I'm not as high on Chriss as a lot of other people. He really didn't show anything last year that makes you think he'll be a better player than Porzingis in the long run. If we miss out on KP because we wouldn't part with Chriss then I'd be very disappointed. He's a potential star player who is the same age as Booker. Those 2 would make for a great 1-2 punch and be one of the best young tandems in the league. I think they'd be right there with Wiggins and Towns as the best pair of youngsters on a team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree that Bender and Porzingis have similar skillsets so having both might be redundant, if Bender pans out, but you have to give up something of value to get something.



I've been surprised by how few fans are high on Ulis. It's almost like they want to relegate him to the bench for the next 10 years. I don't see him being content with that and I think he's much better than a bench player. I wouldn't be surprised if things switched suddenly if he was moved also, similar to how IT was viewed. No one cared for IT when he was here and they wanted him gone but once he was sent packing there are people mad about it because of the player he's proven to be in Boston.

Total hyperbole on your part. Literally not a single poster has said they want ulis gone. It's ridiculous to analogies ITand ulis thusly. And it's not ridiculous to expect an undersized second year, 2nd round draft pick with limited data to not be considered the pgotf. In fact it's more absurd to make that assumption. You keep him as a terrific part of the bench team, creating incredible depth. And if at some point he starts making noise, or he's clearly talented enough to be a starter, or teams are approaching you with great deals you trade him to get better. But we don't need to rush to make him pgotf and anyone that's okay with not doing so is definitely in their right mind.

 

[Bodha]

I agree that Bender and Porzingis have similar skillsets

wut?

Define "skillset" because the only similarity I see between KP and Bender is height and pigment.

you might as well say me and Lebron have similar lifestyles because we both wear socks in the house.

 

[Chaplin]

Total hyperbole on your part. Literally not a single poster has said they want ulis gone. It's ridiculous to analogies ITand ulis thusly. And it's not ridiculous to expect an undersized second year, 2nd round draft pick with limited data to not be considered the pgotf. In fact it's more absurd to make that assumption. You keep him as a terrific part of the bench team, creating incredible depth. And if at some point he starts making noise, or he's clearly talented enough to be a starter, or teams are approaching you with great deals you trade him to get better. But we don't need to rush to make him pgotf and anyone that's okay with not doing so is definitely in their right mind.

My God, we agree!

 

[Hoop Head]

Total hyperbole on your part. Literally not a single poster has said they want ulis gone. It's ridiculous to analogies ITand ulis thusly. And it's not ridiculous to expect an undersized second year, 2nd round draft pick with limited data to not be considered the pgotf. In fact it's more absurd to make that assumption. You keep him as a terrific part of the bench team, creating incredible depth. And if at some point he starts making noise, or he's clearly talented enough to be a starter, or teams are approaching you with great deals you trade him to get better. But we don't need to rush to make him pgotf and anyone that's okay with not doing so is definitely in their right mind.

He started making noise late last season or did you not watch when he was the starter? IT and Ulis are compared frequently here because of their size but they have 2 different styles offensively and Ulis actually puts in an effort defensively. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to predict a similar thing could happen as far as Ulis being undervalued by the Suns and the fanbase and he goes elsewhere and produces well which would cause some revisionist history to kick in wishing we still had him. I don't hope that happens but it wouldn't shock me if Ulis has a similar career in Phoenix. He's too young to expect him to be content leading the 2nd unit for years to come. He should definitely be considered for a starting spot but I wouldn't call him the PG of the future.

He's better than your average 2nd rounder also. His draft position shouldn't matter anymore, we saw him as a rookie and what he can do. He had a better season than a lot of 1st round picks did last year across the league. Why devalue him by bringing up his draft position all the time? Dragic was a 2nd round pick but you never saw that mentioned as much as Ulis' draft position is. There are a number of All Star level talent across the league who were selected in the 2nd round also like Draymond Green, DeAndre Jordan, Paul Millsap, IT, and Marc Gasol. There's a number of starting caliber 2nd rounders also like Chandler Parsons, Jae Crowder, Louis Williams, Kyle Korver, Khris Middleton, and Jordan Clarkson.

 

[Hoop Head]

wut?

Define "skillset" because the only similarity I see between KP and Bender is height and pigment.

you might as well say me and Lebron have similar lifestyles because we both wear socks in the house.

They're both 7 foot+ players who stretch the floor and can handle the ball remarkably well for their size plus they're both quality rim protectors and shot blockers. Bender is much further along in his development but Porzingis is someone he was compared to by a lot of scouts and analysts before being drafted.

 

[Chaplin]

He started making noise late last season or did you not watch when he was the starter? IT and Ulis are compared frequently here because of their size but they have 2 different styles offensively and Ulis actually puts in an effort defensively. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to predict a similar thing could happen as far as Ulis being undervalued by the Suns and the fanbase and he goes elsewhere and produces well which would cause some revisionist history to kick in wishing we still had him. I don't hope that happens but it wouldn't shock me if Ulis has a similar career in Phoenix. He's too young to expect him to be content leading the 2nd unit for years to come. He should definitely be considered for a starting spot but I wouldn't call him the PG of the future.

He's better than your average 2nd rounder also. His draft position shouldn't matter anymore, we saw him as a rookie and what he can do. He had a better season than a lot of 1st round picks did last year across the league. Why devalue him by bringing up his draft position all the time? Dragic was a 2nd round pick but you never saw that mentioned as much as Ulis' draft position is. There are a number of All Star level talent across the league who were selected in the 2nd round also like Draymond Green, DeAndre Jordan, Paul Millsap, IT, and Marc Gasol. There's a number of starting caliber 2nd rounders also like Chandler Parsons, Jae Crowder, Louis Williams, Kyle Korver, Khris Middleton, and Jordan Clarkson.

Jeremy Lin was great for 3/4 of a season. Do you even know what team he plays for now?

 

[Hoop Head]

Jeremy Lin was great for 3/4 of a season. Do you even know what team he plays for now?

Brooklyn, he signed a pretty good sized contract before last season to play there. Prior to that he helped lead Charlotte to the playoffs with Kemba Walker in the backcourt. Charlotte failed to improve without him and couldn't make the playoffs last year also. I'm not saying Jeremy Lin was the sole reason behind them going to the playoffs last season but he definitely played a key role.

Not sure what the deal is with Jeremy Lin though. He was a nobody who had a good run and was dubbed a "star" by the New York media. He wasn't a star though, he was just a solid PG. He's had a good career since that run with New York.

 

[pokerface]

I read the Celtics have interest in Prozingas too which scares me because they are one of the few teams that have the assets to blow us out of the water.