Thsi team is still every bit as bad as it was under coach Mac!

[Shane]

Name me some road games in the last two seasons we were in with Mac - against teams that actually had an offense - or Jesus, teams that didn't have an offense - like Cleveland, the Bears, the Steelers . . .

2002

@ Washington Lost 31-24
@Seattle Lost 24-13
@Carolina Won 16-13
@San Fran Lost 38-28
@ St. Louis Lost 28-30

All games in which we had a chance to win. One of which we did.

2003

 

[Shane]

Absolutly and I agree with that. All it took last year was one bad play and BAM they just quit. Game might have been reasonably close in the 2nd quarter but as soon as the other team went up 10 points this team just quit. I dont see that 'quit' this year.

Shane I do agree with Cheesey on this one. The no hope thing is out there. I think I know what your trying to say ,and to an extent I agree, but there is a reason we are getting these turnovers and there is a reason we arent getting blown out. Some of it is luck or bad coaching etc, but you cant say some of it is not good hard nose defense. Because it is. There is certainly hope-if for no other reason then the defense's ability to cause turnovers and not give up.

Now if the offense could score some points the way this defense is playing, we will win a few games!

Your right. Thay played hard. I give them that! But look at 2002 this team never quit on Mac either. That didnt happen till last year. Its nice to not see that again. But give it time. It dont take long after losing games for players to start holding their collective heads and start the here we go again cycle.

Its new and guys are trying to impress the new coach this is the same cycle we have had with the Cards every time we get a new coach.

 

[ajcardfan]

IMO you guys are very football knowledgeable and always have been. But for some reason once Green was hired you guys became entranced with everything this guy does like its the second coming.

This is baloney.

Giving the guy some time to work is not nearly the same as giving Green "God-like" status. Even clif says he is not sure about everything Green has done.


We were the worst team in the NFL last year, easily. We're still not very good. Where's the shock in that? In spite of our weaknesses, we were maybe one big play away from pulling off one or two upsets in games we would've had not even that much of a chance in last year.

Green is just like any other coach, at some point, he'll have to win. No excuses. We were such a bad, bad team though, some slack should be cut two games into the regular season.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I confident this team will be a playoff team in three years period. This in not anything like Buddy Ball...

 

[Shane]

This is baloney.

Giving the guy some time to work is not nearly the same as giving Green "God-like" status. Even clif says he is not sure about everything Green has done.


We were the worst team in the NFL last year, easily. We're still not very good. Where's the shock in that? In spite of our weaknesses, we were maybe one big play away from pulling off one or two upsets in games we would've had not even that much of a chance in last year.

Green is just like any other coach, at some point, he'll have to win. No excuses. We were such a bad, bad team though, some slack should be cut two games into the regular season.

aj if you cant see that Green has been given some "god-like" status on this board I really dont know what to say. Maybe not from you. But he has by many.

That talk about one big play away is the moral victories that Im talking about. any way you slice it we were dominated in these games.

 

[ajcardfan]

aj if you cant see that Green has been given some "god-like" status on this board I really dont know what to say. Maybe not from you. But he has by many.

That talk about one big play away is the moral victories that Im talking about. any way you slice it we were dominated in these games.

Moral victories don't count. We were statistically dominated, yes. But, somehow, we had a real chance in both games. And, that is different. At least the road game was very different from what we got in the past season and a half.

 

[Bobcat]

Awesome post, agree to a T. Green has a plan, Mac didn't.

Bravo!!! I totally agree with you Russ.

Bobcat

P.S. Now what do you think of Andrew Walter of ASU???

Allan

 

[Cheesebeef]

Your right. Thay played hard. I give them that! But look at 2002 this team never quit on Mac either. That didnt happen till last year. Its nice to not see that again. But give it time. It dont take long after losing games for players to start holding their collective heads and start the here we go again cycle.

Its new and guys are trying to impress the new coach this is the same cycle we have had with the Cards every time we get a new coach.

WHOA - Look at 2002 and the team didn't give up on Mac - are you SERIOUS? I seem to remember starting the year out 4-2 and then getting completely annhiliated in over half of their remaining games - you know some by the tune of 27-6, 38-14, 41-20, 37-7 and 49-0 and we played clsoe with the Lions - beating them in OT at home (when the Lions were the worst team in the league) - completely blowing a game against the Rams who were 6-10 that season and getting pounded for the most part on an ugly Saturday game against the Niners who didn't even have Hearst or Owens playing.

Again Shane - I don't think you're accurately remembering just how bad this team has been consistently since we started out 4-2 TWO YEARS AGO.

To say there is no hope right now is just ridiculous. You see things too much in terms of black white, when - to steal a line from Leslie Nielsen's slutty daughter in SOUL MAN - I see things in shades of grey.

 

[Bobcat]

Moral victories don't count. We were statistically dominated, yes. But, somehow, we had a real chance in both games. And, that is different. At least the road game was very different from what we got in the past season and a half.

It takes time to mold a winner. It just doesn't happen over night. Dallas was 1-15 in Jimmy Johnsons 1st year. 9-7 his second then he won superbowls after that with dallas.

Give this team a chance.

Bobcat

 

[DevonCardsFan]

WHOA - Look at 2002 and the team didn't give up on Mac - are you SERIOUS? I seem to remember starting the year out 4-2 and then getting completely annhiliated in over half of their remaining games - you know some by the tune of 27-6, 38-14, 41-20, 37-7 and 49-0 and we played clsoe with the Lions - beating them in OT at home (when the Lions were the worst team in the league) - completely blowing a game against the Rams who were 6-10 that season and getting pounded for the most part on an ugly Saturday game against the Niners who didn't even have Hearst or Owens playing.

Again Shane - I don't think you're accurately remembering just how bad this team has been consistently since we started out 4-2 TWO YEARS AGO.

To say there is no hope right now is just ridiculous. You see things too much in terms of black white, when - to steal a line from Leslie Nielsen's slutty daughter in SOUL MAN - I see things in shades of grey.

Good Post, I think people are forgetting just how bad the Cards were the last 2 years, It came to a point were the game was unwatchable and sucked ass sitting through watching.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Moral victories don't count. We were statistically dominated, yes. But, somehow, we had a real chance in both games. And, that is different. At least the road game was very different from what we got in the past season and a half.

And that, my friends, after two games, is the bottom line.

As it stands right now, we are definitely a better team than last year. Our red zone defense seems to be improved this year in particular.

However...

Shane does have a point, in that, one of these games, maybe even this week, if we don't win the turnover battle AND are statistically dominated, we will get blown out.

But I don't know...

This sunday should be interesting to say the least.

 

[Duckjake]

but you are getting ready to see the first blow-out this sunday. mark it down! what are you going to say when this team is blown out of the water a few times this year? what will the excuse be then? or at the end of the year when we have given up near the most sacks? are one of the most penalized teams? are last or close to it in rushing D?

I'm going to say that it's to be expected. By the middle of the 2002 season, because of injuries and poor signings, the Cardinals had argueably the worst collection of players put on the field by a non expansion team in the last 25 years. Then in 2003 they let their few top players go somewhere else and replaced them with rookies and aging vets and journeymen grabbed from other team's scrap piles in desperation. So I would still say that of the bottom 100 players in the NFL the Cards have 40.

The one disadvantage to sitting so close to the field is that you can really see the disparity in size, strength and speed between players. Watching NE confirmed my belief that the Cards have whiffed on 90% of their player moves over the past 5 years.

I like the reference to an expansion team because that's what we have.