Thursday Cards notes.

[Skkorpion]

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[Cheesebeef]

it still makes me laugh to think anyone actually believed for a milli-second that Coach Smack's last team was going to be anything but an absolute abomination.

 

[az1965]

Barring a bunch of injuries, I've seen enough and heard enough to believe quite firmly that the Cardinals can win 10 or 11 games this year.

 

[Duckjake]

There's no reason they can't win 10-11-12 games. They've got the weapons on offense. All they have to do is give the QB time to utilize them.

They've got a veteran defense; for the first time in years no rookie starts or even plays a critical backup role.

They've got one of the NFL's best special teams coaches in Gary Zauner.

They've got a home crowd in a terrific stadium with great amenities for the players.

They've got the 1925 NFL Championship...oops, nevermind, 5-11 again.

 

[arthurracoon]

wooo hoooo!!!

go cards!!!!

 

[ChandlerCard]

Love the optimisim with minimal kool-aid. It's a good reminder that we're so used to getting our hopes dashed that we downplay the little successes and get nervous at our challenges. But these days respected posters like Mitch are talking more about depth concerns than about filling our myriad holes with unproven rookies. The NFL really is about parity, and I think this year we're a part of that!

10-6! I'll probably faint if I see it!

 

[BigRedArk]

good read Skkorp.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

 

[conraddobler]

I guess some never made a prediction that turned out to be utterly ridiculous, I have, if you make any decent amount of them you'll get there eventually.

I love the NFL commercial that makes fun of this, it's hilarious.

Anyway, when I compare us to other teams, 10-11 wins isn't out of the question, as always they have to win the games but that's what predictions are all about.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I guess some never made a prediction that turned out to be utterly ridiculous, I have, if you make any decent amount of them you'll get there eventually.

I don't know about you, but I've made any prediction as ridiculous as the Cards winning 9 or 10 games going into Mac's last season... and considering I used to do a lot of ether, that's saying something!

 

[conraddobler]

I don't know about you, but I've made any prediction as ridiculous as the Cards winning 9 or 10 games going into Mac's last season... and considering I used to do a lot of ether, that's saying something!

A lot of people get a pass predicting the Cardinals wins and losses, some people take the easy road, 4-12 5-11 6-10.

That's easy, if you'd just predict that every year you'd be like a genius.

We all know this, it's not news to us, however sometimes and it pops up randomly, the losing gets to you and you see things, much like a man dying of thirst sees an oasis.

This is not a new thing, it's happend to me, I used to feel Stoney Case just might be the one!

It's what I call the Cardinal delirium, it sneaks up on you as the losing stacked on losing with a losing topping, weighs on you.

So I never hold one or two bad Cardinal predictions against someone, humans have a need for hope, it's normal.

Now some aren't built that way and can handle the endless negativity just fine, to each his own.

 

[Cheesebeef]

A lot of people get a pass predicting the Cardinals wins and losses, some people take the easy road, 4-12 5-11 6-10.

That's easy, if you'd just predict that every year you'd be like a genius.

We all know this, it's not news to us, however sometimes and it pops up randomly, the losing gets to you and you see things, much like a man dying of thirst sees an oasis.

This is not a new thing, it's happend to me, I used to feel Stoney Case just might be the one!

It's what I call the Cardinal delirium, it sneaks up on you as the losing stacked on losing with a losing topping, weighs on you.

So I never hold one or two bad Cardinal predictions against someone, humans have a need for hope, it's normal.

Now some aren't built that way and can handle the endless negativity just fine, to each his own.

having hope going into a season like this year, or in 1998 or the year after Mac took us to 7-9 or even last year is understandable - I had it, most of us did, but there were reasons to have that hope.

Having hope and stating a team is a playoff team after arguably the worst off-season of all time, while coming off one of the worst seasons of all time I can't understand. That ain't because I can "handle endless negativity". It's because it was PAINFULLY obvious to anyone not completely out of their mind that we were going be atrocious. My goodness, our starting WRs on opening day were Bryan Gilmore and... LARRY FOSTER.

Some say negativity. I call it reality.

 

[seesred]

I believe! Hope to wake up every morning. Hope that my family is safe from harm. The hope that in September of every year that my team will get to the top, find a way to win. Every September, during every game I will be there to scream and shout even if it's at the TV. This year we DO have a pretty good team. I think we can win the division. My win lose prediction at this time of year even when Tupa was the starting QB is 16-0..Let the games begin.

GBR
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[DryHeat]

Now some aren't built that way and can handle the endless negativity just fine, to each his own.

This has always separated and defined the true Cardinals fan from, anyone just jumping on the bandwagon.

Have we ever had anyone jump on this wagon?

I am optimistic that this is the year it all changes, but then last year I was optimistic, and the year before, and the year before…..

Maybe that is what defines a true Cardinals fan?

 

[CardLogic]

My goodness, our starting WRs on opening day were Bryan Gilmore and... LARRY FOSTER.

I've nearly successfully blocked the painful memories...


AND YOU KEEP BRINGING THEM BACK UP!!!!

















...J/K

 

[lobo]

good read Skkorp.

right on the mark...all points....point about special teams is really right on!!

i so agree about running...i don't care who is in there...keep running...if we can stop the run/run the ball/pressure qb all year we will win no less than 9 games.

unless a team has as pathetic run blocking as we did last year, the run game set up the passing game....no defense can load 8 in the box against us with the WR's we have that should = a dynamic year from edge.

 

[Duckjake]

...no defense can load 8 in the box against us with the WR's we have that should = a dynamic year from edge.

But they did all last season.

Could be because as great as our WR's are they are not threats to go deep.

Could be because opponents knew they could shut us down inside the 20 as the field became more compact.

Could be because the Cards were terrible at running the draw.

I have never figured out how a team can have two receivers like Fitz and Q and still can't run the ball. Maybe you can't use the pass to set up the run.

 

[PACardsFan]

I remember when the Cardinals beat the Bears in a brawl-filled preseason Monday Night game & someone on the broadcast predicted the Cardinals would win the Super Bowl. I believe it may have been their last year in St. Louis, but I'm not sure. I remember the 1984 Cardinals that just missed out on the playoffs. Everyone had them slotted for the playoffs in '85. They won 3 of their first 4 games & then proceeded to finish 5-11. Lomax was sacked like 65 times. Hanifan was canned 30 minutes after the season finale.

 

[black]

10 or 11 wins........very cool.

 

[Duckjake]

I remember when the Cardinals beat the Bears in a brawl-filled preseason Monday Night game & someone on the broadcast predicted the Cardinals would win the Super Bowl. I believe it may have been their last year in St. Louis, but I'm not sure. I remember the 1984 Cardinals that just missed out on the playoffs. Everyone had them slotted for the playoffs in '85. They won 3 of their first 4 games & then proceeded to finish 5-11. Lomax was sacked like 65 times. Hanifan was canned 30 minutes after the season finale.

From 1984 through 1988 Lomax was sacked 256 times.

The 1984 Cardinals produced over 6,600 yards of offense and 423 points-the franchise record. That's almost 200 more points than McGinnis' 2003 team.

 

[njlawrence]

From your lips to God's ears, Skorp. It will take us getting the good breaks and them getting the bad ones. Some of us may have made such predictions last year, but we have a better talent pool this year to make it happen. See ya in the NEZ.

 

[conraddobler]

I'll go at on a limb and say that this team has a chance to be more than just a playoff team, it has a chance to be a contender.

All these years of false hope and deluding yourself can leave you hesitant to realize just how much talent is on this team.

There are better teams in the NFL, better depth, better coached, that have a better chance than we do.

Most of them are in the AFC.

 

[JeffGollin]

I just watched New England's dismembering of the Redskins 41 to 0.

Maybe we're not so bad after all. Maybe it's just that the Pats are that good.

 

[conraddobler]

They struggled with our first team to put that much of a hurt on us, at halftime they had just scored one TD, they were obviously trying very hard to run their offense, maybe not the whole thing sure but they were to some extent game planning in that they exploited weaknesses, we on the other hand simply ran stuff we wanted to work on.

One example, they took advantage of our corner blitz we seemed we were working on, they worked us for doing that but then you have to remember it's preseason, we weren't trying to counter what they were doing, we simply were working on what we wanted to work on.

This is why preseason is so misleading, you can't draw a lot of conclusions on it, if one team is practicing reacting to what the other team is doing, and the other team just keeps working on it then that's a massacare in the making.

There's a reason NE is doing this, watch, in the Season they will struggle mightily, they have their number one WR out, when the bullets fly for real they are going against 8 in the box forever, they'll struggle, mark my words.

They might work their way out of it but teams that blow other teams out in preseason could be their own danger signal, why? Why because someone is trying to build confidence and is trying to come out of the gate flying, that's because the coach knows he's on an uphill fight.

We did the same thing under Mac, it's insidious, if you bother to react as you would in a real game to what the other team does, then you're going to look much better than you are.

We did it in the Steelers game for the home crowd, it only takes a little of that to win a preseason game, if you do it the whole game you end up blowing the other team out most times, the other team on the other hand just looks at you like your dog does when you do something stupid, that puzzled you're a moron look.

So I don't take anything in preseason for anything except did player A look good or B look good, that's about all you can get out of it and even that's misleading, Edge didn't do squat but again that' meaningless, he didn't try.