I'm sorry, but when you call someone up and they say "we already have an offer for a 1st," you're just not beating that with a normal 3rd or 2nd. Especially when you have a win now roster.
Wrong year. And yeah, I didn't want to trade years and years of 1st picks to move into the top 5 like some were suggesting. If we had done that, we could have easily ended up with Sam Darnold and handing out the #1 overall pick the next year, and probably a top 5 pick the year after.
Hindsight, again. You have to go with what was right at the time. Much of the consensus at draft time was that you could even trade back and get one of those guys. If we could predict the future, we'd be a much better team.
I don’t understand why people make these statements or refer to draft grades. Those are the thoughts of people that aren’t actually NFL employees or GMs. In other words they may hold slightly more weight than anyone on this board. I would be willing to bet that a canvassing of actual nfl talent evaluators doesn’t track that consensus.
I'm well aware, but I think it's fair to say that people that do this for a living and even GMs in mocks would have found it a shocking ascertation that two teams were going to move up from the 20s into the 10th/12th picks, especially the two that did.
Because we didn't know at the time that these guys were franchise QBs. I'm saying you can't be mad at the Cardinals with the benefit of hindsight. There wasn't a single person on this board on draft day that day that was mad we didn't hand over a 1st round pick for one of these guys. And I really wanted both, but I would have blown a gasket if we traded a first to move 2-3 picks.
They got traded up for a reason Solar, lol.
You expect, and you hope, but your evaluations still have warts on certain players with few exceptions in the top two or so. The draft always has an element of potential busts.
https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/who-are-the-qbs-you-like-in-this-draft.249309/
I’ve never heard anyone speak on it from the nfl side, so I don’t know. But the very fact that it did actually happen indicates that it wasn’t as outlandish as you make it out to seem. Particularly with how often QBs are the target of trade ups in the first round.
I'm just saying I don't blame the Cardinals.
That post doesn’t show that I didn’t think Mahomes & Watson were franchise QBs.
That wasn't my thread, but having Kizer above them wasn't particularly an endorsement that they were worth trading up for. I'm just saying, almost none of this board was mad around that time about not moving up. To be mad now because they turned out to be good is nothing but hindsight influencing your anger.
I didn’t know enough about mahomes but I was mad about Watson. And wasn’t excited about Reddick. And I wasn’t mad at grading up for Rosen because I knew we had to trade up for a QB. I wouldn’t have been at doing so for mayfield or darnold. Instead I would’ve been mad at keim for being so poor at talent evaluation. And didn’t lynch go 26th?
O'Brien should never have been a GM but he was a pretty good coach and OC in his career. You have to give him some credit for Watson's development much like Reid developing Mahomes. My point is Murray's numbers are mostly because of him making plays (the same with Watson's numbers this year) and not because of Kingsbury's system as you mentioned his game management was lacking but his system has proven to be a dud.
I literally just jumped back to 2017... around page 150 or so, if I recall.
I said any QB that wasn't Watson so I was in the game.Harry didnt like Mahomes, sometimes the experts fails
I have been as often happen right, the pick I would have hated at 13, I said Kizer
Btw Mahomes was my favourite qb in that draft, but big kudos to u of being one of the few wishing to draft him and trading up for him
