Tillman and Little

[CaliCards]

If you can't be vile towards Little who the he** can you be against? He represents everything that is wrong in both behaviour and sports favoritism.

True fans of human life and dignity and sacrifice and morals want to celebrate Tillmans life. Not only Cardinal fans.

WTF is the Rams board reference to? You're the one defending this prick!

You're a very young person. And I'll tell you why I know that.

Only a very young person who has not experienced true love for one woman, and I don't mean the Hoe's you try to score with every weekend, can't understand the devastation that Little put on this family.

He alone by his own decisions decided to drive and the result was killing a mother and wife. He made a decision for himself. He made it for others. Those others perished and I must tell you my feelings would never be "at least she was killed by an NFL player".

You obviously don't have a son that you are trying to teach the morals and meaning of life to.

If you do and still tell him what a role model Little is then you are pathetic.

Grow up little boy. You have a long way to go.

As I've said earlier, you should be venting on the Rams board.

And if you think my posts were about defending Little and not about objecting to the use of Tillmans name by a jouranlist to draw some moral parallel with an acholic Rams player--as opposed to people that drink coffee, eat, watch porn, and talk on their cell phones while driving, is cheap.

Little's life, unlike Tillman's, is a tragic story.

Lesson for you and that journalist: Tillman's name should not be mention in the same sentence with Little. That he died at 27 a soldier has no relation to his NFL carreer and other NFL plaryers. Soldiers are trained to kill, and sometimes in combat they die or kill in order not to be killed.

Now. Would you take your venting about Little to the Rams board.

 

[AzCards21]

Little's life, unlike Tillman's, is a tragic story.

You have got to be shi**ing me.

You are a pathetic loser. You are comparing what Little (a self suscribed and convicted killer of innocent people) to Pat Tillman (A true patriot that faught a war to insure ********* like you get to post this crap) and you actually arrived with the decision Littles life is more tragic!

You, buddy, are a F*cking ******.

I could throw some smileys and waves at you here. But I don't really care. Any smiley flipping you off as the ****** you are would suffice.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

 

[AzCards21]

I know man. I hear you just trying to lighten the mood a bit. I'm with you on this.

Hang in there. It's going to get nasty. I may not see you for a while.

 

[thirty-two]

Little's life, unlike Tillman's, is a tragic story.

You're not serious are you?

Little is a piece of sh*t, convicted of killing someone while drunk.

Tillman was a true American hero who died for his country.

Litte = waste of a life
Tillman = a life we were blessed to have known for as long as we did

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing how Little's life is more tragic.

 

[CaliCards]

You're not serious are you?

Little is a piece of sh*t, convicted of killing someone while drunk.

Tillman was a true American hero who died for his country.

Litte = waste of a life
Tillman = a life we were blessed to have known for as long as we did

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing how Little's life is more tragic.

Tell me how a man that played in the NFL and later volunter to serve his country in the military a tragic life?

 

[thirty-two]

Tell me how a man that played in the NFL and later volunter to serve his country in the military a tragic life?

It's tragic in the sense that for all that he gave up, he wasn't able to come home one last time, wasn't able to see his wife again, wasn't able put on an NFL uniform. IT was tragic because of all the good that was still left in him.

It's tragic because he was taken before his time.

It's tragic because he gave up so much, and sacrificed so much.

All for us.

 

[azdad1978]

It's tragic in the sense that for all that he gave up, he wasn't able to come home one last time, wasn't able to see his wife again, wasn't able put on an NFL uniform. IT was tragic because of all the good that was still left in him.

It's tragic because he was taken before his time.

It's tragic because he gave up so much, and sacrificed so much.

All for us.

Well said 32, well said...

 

[CaliCards]

You have got to be shi**ing me.

You are a pathetic loser. You are comparing what Little (a self suscribed and convicted killer of innocent people) to Pat Tillman (A true patriot that faught a war to insure ********* like you get to post this crap) and you actually arrived with the decision Littles life is more tragic!

You, buddy, are a F*cking ******.

I could throw some smileys and waves at you here. But I don't really care. Any smiley flipping you off as the ****** you are would suffice.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

Are you for real? Certainly, you can't be that moronic. If so, I suggest you read the following, which might give you a clue.

Plus, you may want to understand the difference between "tagic life" as oppose to "tragic end."

100%CardsFan
"I dont even want to see Pat Tillmans name in the same sentance as Leonard Little. And I hate when they write that "Tillmans almost signed with the Rams" ..ummm there is no "Almost" about it. He said NO right off the bat."

conraddobler
"The journalist was just highlighting how bad Little is in comparison. I don't think it's that bad of an article when you consider it is from a St. Louis perspective.

No one from Arizona would or should write that article."

vikesfan
"How did you do in reading comprehension in school? ……..

Two things you might want to look into: Anger Management and ESL Courses."

 

[Brian in Mesa]

This is piss poor journalism. Mixing apples and oranges. Sensationalism at its best--using the example of the obviously tragic life of an alcoholic and a soldier killed in combat. Why, because they both played in the NFL?

I suppose there is a moral lesson for readers to learn here, but what is it?

It's not piss poor at all.

First thing I thought of when I heard about Little's arrest for DUI (besides how much of a murdering scum he is) was the contrast between a man of character like Tillman and the dregs of the NFL like Little, Pittman, etc. Sad that we lose the good and are stuck with the bad.

 

[AzCards21]

Are you for real? Certainly, you can't be that moronic. If so, I suggest you read the following, which might give you a clue.

Plus, you may want to understand the difference between "tagic life" as oppose to "tragic end."

100%CardsFan
"I dont even want to see Pat Tillmans name in the same sentance as Leonard Little. And I hate when they write that "Tillmans almost signed with the Rams" ..ummm there is no "Almost" about it. He said NO right off the bat."

conraddobler
"The journalist was just highlighting how bad Little is in comparison. I don't think it's that bad of an article when you consider it is from a St. Louis perspective.

No one from Arizona would or should write that article."

vikesfan
"How did you do in reading comprehension in school? ……..

Two things you might want to look into: Anger Management and ESL Courses."

OK *******, I got a PM from from VF that said I'm being a little hard on you're grade school ass and you are actually on my side.

Prove it.

I have several of your quotes to post that would be less flattering than a letter from Benidict Arnold.

Prove up. This is your chance to make everything OK.

I still think you're an idiot. There is only a 2% chance you can pull what you've said out of your ass and make me believe you were just kidding.

Good luck ******.

 

[vikesfan]

I think people are getting confused here by semantics.
People don't want somone with a great life and tragic end being compared to someone with a tragic wasted life. They shouldn't be put together to make some point. You want to write about a loser like Little write about him but don't bring Tillman into it. It is cheap sensationalism by the writer. Everyone here is in agreement on Tillman and Little.

 

[AzCards21]

It's tragic in the sense that for all that he gave up, he wasn't able to come home one last time, wasn't able to see his wife again, wasn't able put on an NFL uniform. IT was tragic because of all the good that was still left in him.

It's tragic because he was taken before his time.

It's tragic because he gave up so much, and sacrificed so much.

All for us.

Good post 32, Cali will never get it I fear.

 

[WildBB]

The whole point is:

While Pat's life was awe inspiring.


Littles is exactely the opposite.


All they have in common is having played in the NFL. So the writer used that.




Many NFL ers / Sports (so called) hero's, are being called out to live up to and be accountable for the privileges they enjoy, being in the public eye. Many don't. It's pathetic. You could make the same argument with any # of sports celebrities or anyone in the public sphere. Look at Kennedy and Chapiquitic (sp?). And he even ran for President after that! How lame is that!

 

[CaliCards]

The whole point is:

While Pat's life was awe inspiring.


Littles is exactely the opposite.


All they have in common is having played in the NFL. So the writer used that.




Many NFL ers / Sports (so called) hero's, are being called out to live up to and be accountable for the privileges they enjoy, being in the public eye. Many don't. It's pathetic. You could make the same argument with any # of sports celebrities or anyone in the public sphere. Look at Kennedy and Chapiquitic (sp?). And he even ran for President after that! How lame is that!

I need not say more.

 

[vikesfan]

Forget Kennedy I have a better example.
Or how about the man who ran for President and did exactly what Little just did: Drove Drunk. The only President with a criminal record. The President who changed the law so people with criminal records could get government deals.
Yes folks the one and only George Bush (Jr).

More on Bush: he supported cuts to duty benefits for people in military service and their families (during a war by the way).

He cut health care benefits to for war veterans!
He appointed more convicted criminals to the administration then any president in history.

He is the 1st President to order a pre-emptive attack on a soveriegn nation against the wishes of the UN. Sort of like what Hussein did to Kuwait.

Joined National Guard to avoid going to Vietnam and then didn't even attend like he should have. Refused to answer questions about his drug use or take a drug test.

His Texas driving record has been "lost."

Made Texas the most polluted state in the nation. Houston getting more smog then LA.

Broke more international treaties then any President in history. Refused to follow the Geneva convention.

Lied to the American people about WMDs amongst other things.

The SEC investigation into the Martha Stewart type things he did is sealed and unavaible for public viewing.

Won the election based on 1000s of people wrongly being denied the chance to vote and 1000s of people who voted AFTER the election having their votes counted. And through a Supreme Court where justices who had children working on his campaign did not recuse themselves. The court said that there was a case but it would be too complicated and time consuming to do the right thing and see democracy upheld.

Sadly there is more much more.

 

[CaliCards]

I think people are getting confused here by semantics.
People don't want somone with a great life and tragic end being compared to someone with a tragic wasted life. They shouldn't be put together to make some point. You want to write about a loser like Little write about him but don't bring Tillman into it. It is cheap sensationalism by the writer. Everyone here is in agreement on Tillman and Little.

Yes, but do you think AsCards21 gets it, or he is too busy building up straw-man arguements and knocking them down.

 

[Evil Ash]

Forget Kennedy I have a better example.
Or how about the man who ran for President and did exactly what Little just did: Drove Drunk. The only President with a criminal record. The President who changed the law so people with criminal records could get government deals.
Yes folks the one and only George Bush (Jr).

More on Bush: he supported cuts to duty benefits for people in military service and their families (during a war by the way).

He cut health care benefits to for war veterans!
He appointed more convicted criminals to the administration then any president in history.

He is the 1st President to order a pre-emptive attack on a soveriegn nation against the wishes of the UN. Sort of like what Hussein did to Kuwait.

Joined National Guard to avoid going to Vietnam and then didn't even attend like he should have. Refused to answer questions about his drug use or take a drug test.

His Texas driving record has been "lost."

Made Texas the most polluted state in the nation. Houston getting more smog then LA.

Broke more international treaties then any President in history. Refused to follow the Geneva convention.

Lied to the American people about WMDs amongst other things.

The SEC investigation into the Martha Stewart type things he did is sealed and unavaible for public viewing.

Won the election based on 1000s of people wrongly being denied the chance to vote and 1000s of people who voted AFTER the election having their votes counted. And through a Supreme Court where justices who had children working on his campaign did not recuse themselves. The court said that there was a case but it would be too complicated and time consuming to do the right thing and see democracy upheld.

Sadly there is more much more.

WRONG BOARD! If you want to discuss this please post it on the Politics and Religion board and not on the Cardinals board please!!

 

[ThunderCard]

The story is like mixing apples and oarnges however I felt that he had one good paragraph


Yet now we can't help but realize there is a connection, a link based on the staggering absurdity of their differences. Pat Tillman's tragic death will forever serve as a sobering reminder of his ultimate respect for the importance of life and freedom. By comparison, Leonard Little's repeatedly tragic life is beginning to serve as the stereotypical example of someone who has no appreciation for either life or freedom.

 

[vikesfan]

WRONG BOARD! If you want to discuss this please post it on the Politics and Religion board and not on the Cardinals board please!!

Uh why didn't you post WRONG BOARD on the dude who mentioned Kennedy? His post came BEFORE mine. Mine was in response to his.

HMMMMMMMM????

 

[Evil Ash]

Uh why didn't you post WRONG BOARD on the dude who mentioned Kennedy? His post came BEFORE mine. Mine was in response to his.

HMMMMMMMM????

I'm not making a political statement if that is what you are implying. Both of you should move this to the politics and religion board. Personally I don't care about either of your political beliefs, I just am trying to keep this on the subject at hand (you know the story about Tillman and Leonard Little).

I didn't read the post before yours fully (but that one at least somewhat stayed on subject) and the next post I see a long ass editorial about President Bush. If thats your opinion fine! I don't care (I'm not that poltically involved anyway) but I ask kindly that you both (and anyone else that wants to give a POLITICAL viewpoint on this subject) please move your opinions to the POLITICS & RELIGION Board.

 

[vikesfan]

I'm not making a political statement if that is what you are implying. Both of you should move this to the politics and religion board. Personally I don't care about either of your political beliefs, I just am trying to keep this on the subject at hand (you know the story about Tillman and Leonard Little).

I didn't read the post before yours fully (but that one at least somewhat stayed on subject) and the next post I see a long ass editorial about President Bush. If thats your opinion fine! I don't care (I'm not that poltically involved anyway) but I ask kindly that you both (and anyone else that wants to give a POLITICAL viewpoint on this subject) please move your opinions to the POLITICS & RELIGION Board.

My post is exactly on subject as much as that poster's was. He criticized Kennedy and I criticized Bush.

The subject is public people being held accountable for wrong doing. He gave the example of Kennedy and I gave the example of Bush. It is not an editorial it is facts about the wrong things Bush has done. Including DRIVING DRUNK which is what Little just did.

 

[dopleganger]

My post is exactly on subject as much as that poster's was. He criticized Kennedy and I criticized Bush.

The subject is public people being held accountable for wrong doing. He gave the example of Kennedy and I gave the example of Bush. It is not an editorial it is facts about the wrong things Bush has done. Including DRIVING DRUNK which is what Little just did.

opinions are like "Vikesfans" everybodys got one.

 

[SweetD]

This stuff just makes me sick.

 

[WildBB]

I brought Kennedy in, because he killed someone DRIVING DRUNK. Thats it. We didn't need to go into politics.

By the way politics and religon on the same board is probobly a bad idea. But that's another board discussion.

 

[vikesfan]

I brought Kennedy in, because he killed someone DRIVING DRUNK. Thats it. We didn't need to go into politics.

By the way politics and religon on the same board is probobly a bad idea. But that's another board discussion.

You said as an example of public figures doing wrong. And then I gave the another example of a public figure doing wrong things.

By the way was Kennedy drunk? I don't recall anything proving he was drunk it was just assumed. Bush we know was actually drunk.

You want to have public figures responsible then it needs to apply to all of them even the ones in your own party.

This is not a political point I am making it is an ethical point. It has nothing to do with what party Bush is a member of. Bush's record is pathetic ethically be he a democrat republican or independent.