Tim Couch Released

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Russ Smith said:
Because Pasquarelli says Couch has an interest in Denver because of Shanahan. if he'd said he had an interest here because of DG we might be discussing that instead.

DG has said all along that Josh is the QB, Couch wants to start. He apparently thinks Green Bay is the best choice because Favre will retire soon, but he also thinks Denver could really help his career because he is still a very RAW QB (like Jake was when he left) and he saw what Shanahan did for Jake and has an interest in getting the same type of coaching to further his career.

The problem of course is it's unlikely Shanahan and Kubiak would do that with Couch, why train him to go FA(assuming Jake is for real)? And remember they basically adopted Jake and spent an entire year drilling him as a QB, it's unlikely they would spend NEAR that much time on Couch as a backup, they did it with Jake because they signed him to start.

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Hi Russ!!! I knew that I would get a rise out of you. All I had to do is mention JAKE.

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This is a good thread, with some interesting thoughts....
If Mike Vick or Peyton Manning were to demand a trade to the Cards, and get it, I'm not convinced that they'd be starting ahead of--*shudder*--Josh McCown at this point.
Correct, DG has committed to giving McCown a shot, regardless of what happens. It is very curious, given that McCown hasn't played much, and when he had he was average at best.
What flashes has Tim Couch shown to justify his status as a #1 overall draft pick at this point? Tim Couch seems a lot to me like Rob Johnson at this point. How many chances is he going to get?
Bingo. The QB position in the NFL is all about perception. Remember, at this point last year Delhomme was a guy who couldn't beat out the aging Rodney Peete.
It's not like anyone expects him to take McCown's job.
Again, perception. If DG hadn't been talking McCown up all offseason, who in their right mind would actually expect McCown TO win the job in an open competition? Nothing he's done on the field so far suggests he's worthy of that kind of job security, which DG has made clear NO ONE has except McCown. It is curious.
He's unlikely to be a distraction, considering the professionalism with which he handled his demotion and backup status in Tampa Bay.
One of the reasons King fell out of favor in TB was that he (at first) had a very poor and unprofessional attitude about being demoted. He knew he had been unfairly made a scapegoat and loafed it for the entire next season. Brad Johnson has been the uncontested starter each year since. King was very bitter that he was never given a chance in pre-season to win the job.

But don't think that King signed with Arizona because he wants to be a back-up. King wants to start and signed with Arizona figuring he'll beat out McCown at some point. He knows McCown is inexperienced and will make mistakes or get hurt at some point. King turned down more $ in Atlanta because he knew he couldn't start there.

The difference between King, Couch and Blake here, is that King has already learned the lesson that Couch and Blake haven't, and that is that opportunities to play QB are not a given, and that you have to earn it. That is why King is comfortable waiting his turn.
Couch would probably be in a better situation, with a better supporting cast, doing injury and mop-up work in Green Bay.
No way. He wants the chance to see the field, and Brett Favre never leaves the field. He's the iron man of NFL QBs.
FWIW they think they're going to the Superbowl this year(some do) and I can't say it's any more farfetched than us talking about a playoff berth.
In today's NFL, neither proposition is farfetched. I wouldn't be surprised to see either happen.
The problem of course is it's unlikely Shanahan and Kubiak would do that with Couch, why train him to go FA(assuming Jake is for real)? And remember they basically adopted Jake and spent an entire year drilling him as a QB, it's unlikely they would spend NEAR that much time on Couch as a backup, they did it with Jake because they signed him to start.
Of course they would tutor him. Teams with Super Bowl aspirations know they need 2 QBs who can play, and the Broncos don't have that right now. (IMO, they don't have 1).
 

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The last place I want Couch is on the Packer depth chart. I'd rather have Nall over Couch any day.

Couch has consistently requested in his negotiations with the Packers that he wants to be the starter in Green Bay next season ('05). In other words, he'd play backup to Favre this season if Favre will bow out at the end of the season - what a friggin' jerk. I hope they let him slide to another team.

The only reason Sherman is high on Couch is that Wolf wanted him in as a backup/insurance to Brett before he (Wolf) left the organization. I believe that Wolf wanted to draft him the year he came out. Anyway - Sherman has done nothing but make bad draft decisions and FA signings. If he signs Couch it will be another mark of incompetence of Sherman and his staff - man I'm getting fed up with him.

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FischerKing said:
The last place I want Couch is on the Packer depth chart. I'd rather have Nall over Couch any day.

Couch has consistently requested in his negotiations with the Packers that he wants to be the starter in Green Bay next season ('05). In other words, he'd play backup to Favre this season if Favre will bow out at the end of the season - what a friggin' jerk. I hope they let him slide to another team.

The only reason Sherman is high on Couch is that Wolf wanted him in as a backup/insurance to Brett before he (Wolf) left the organization. I believe that Wolf wanted to draft him the year he came out. Anyway - Sherman has done nothing but make bad draft decisions and FA signings. If he signs Couch it will be another mark of incompetence of Sherman and his staff - man I'm getting fed up with him.

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Just like he wanted to be given the starting job in CLE and he said he would even renegotiate his money if they promised him the starter's job. What a wussy.
 

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FischerKing said:
The last place I want Couch is on the Packer depth chart. I'd rather have Nall over Couch any day.

Couch has consistently requested in his negotiations with the Packers that he wants to be the starter in Green Bay next season ('05). In other words, he'd play backup to Favre this season if Favre will bow out at the end of the season - what a friggin' jerk. I hope they let him slide to another team.

The only reason Sherman is high on Couch is that Wolf wanted him in as a backup/insurance to Brett before he (Wolf) left the organization. I believe that Wolf wanted to draft him the year he came out. Anyway - Sherman has done nothing but make bad draft decisions and FA signings. If he signs Couch it will be another mark of incompetence of Sherman and his staff - man I'm getting fed up with him.

Shawn

Well you didn't get your wish He signed with Green Bay this afternoon.

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Of course they would tutor him. Teams with Super Bowl aspirations know they need 2 QBs who can play, and the Broncos don't have that right now. (IMO, they don't have 1).

Oh I have no doubt they would tutor him but what they did with Jake was a bit beyond that. Jake was a guy who'd started 6 years in the NFL and they basically treated him like a rookie. They spent the whole offseason working with him on mechanics, films, chalk talks etc. Basically Shanahan and Kubiak adopted Jake and I'm not convinced you can do that with 2 QB's, and from all accounts they are working quite hard with Jake THIS year too because they want to build on last years success and not have him backslide to his prior level of play.

I just don't think you can do that with 2 QB's. Remember last year when Bears insiders were complaining that Grossman was getting almost no work at all during the week and they felt he needed MUCH more work?
 

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Oh I have no doubt they would tutor him but what they did with Jake was a bit beyond that. Jake was a guy who'd started 6 years in the NFL and they basically treated him like a rookie. They spent the whole offseason working with him on mechanics, films, chalk talks etc. Basically Shanahan and Kubiak adopted Jake and I'm not convinced you can do that with 2 QB's, and from all accounts they are working quite hard with Jake THIS year too because they want to build on last years success and not have him backslide to his prior level of play.

I just don't think you can do that with 2 QB's. Remember last year when Bears insiders were complaining that Grossman was getting almost no work at all during the week and they felt he needed MUCH more work?
Hi Russ If you havwn't heard yet!!!

It took more than two months, hours of discussions and, finally, his release by the Cleveland Browns last week, but quarterback Tim Couch is finally headed to Green Bay.


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2003 SEASON STATISTICS
Att Comp PaTD RuTD Int Rat
203 120 7 1 6 77.6




Couch acknowledged Monday night what sources had confirmed earlier in the evening, that he has agreed in principle to a one-year contract with the Packers. The contract, which comes after months of being in limbo, is worth about $1.3 million and includes the chance to increase its value through performance incentives.


The Packers did not announce the agreement immediately and likely will wait until after the contract is signed Tuesday before issuing a statement.


By playing a long and sometimes frustrating waiting game, both the Packers and Couch achieved their goals, although Green Bay would have preferred a longer-term deal, one of at least two seasons. Still, the Packers now upgrade the backup spot behind starter Brett Favre and Couch gets to play one year in Green Bay and then get back into free agency in March, when the market for a player of his ilk is apt to be much broader.


"This is a great opportunity for me to start a new chapter in my career," Couch said. "And I am going to a team that has a real chance to win the Super Bowl. Just getting the chance to be around Brett will be awesome."


Green Bay had been reluctant to sign Couch to a one-year contract as long as it appeared the Packers would have to trade for him, probably compensating the Browns with a midlevel draft choice. But when the Browns released Couch, it enhanced the chances for a short-term deal, since the Packers did not have to deal with the Browns' demands.


The Packers, Couch said, already have broached the possibility of extending the deal. "We'll see how things go before we decide on that," Couch said.


It is not known whether other teams pursued Couch over the weekend, but the consensus around the league was that, given the time the quarterback had spent with Green Bay officials and coaches, the Packers were the frontrunners for his services. While the Packers likely will retain journeyman and longtime Favre backup Doug Pederson for now, the addition of Couch clearly provides the franchise its best quarterback insurance policy in years.


Those who know Couch well, and understand his fierce competitiveness, acknowledged during the courtship process that it would be difficult for him to play caddie to Favre for even one season, let alone possibly sitting idle for two years. That, in large part, is why Couch wanted just a one-year contract. Plus, there figure to be enhanced opportunities next spring for Couch to find a situation that will afford him a chance to be a starter again.


Favre has offered no indication of retirement plans, and the consensus is that the 13-year veteran will play at least two more seasons.


For Couch, who is 26, the Green Bay scenario appeared to be his best option all along. It was believed the Browns at first were seeking a second-round pick for Couch but lowered their demands. The biggest sticking point at the time, though, was the reluctance of the first overall choice in the 1999 draft to commit to more than one year in Green Bay.


Couch visited with Packers officials in Green Bay on April 6-7. Less than two weeks earlier, he dined with coach Mike Sherman in Cleveland, only hours after the Packers had received official permission from Browns officials to meet with the five-year veteran.


The Packers' staff genuinely liked Couch from the outset.


Couch's five-year tenure in Cleveland essentially ended when the club signed former San Francisco starter Jeff Garcia to a four-year, $25 million contract. Since then, the market for Couch had been slow, since many teams that might have had an interest in him waited to see whether Cleveland simply released him.


At one point in the spring, Couch attempted to participate in the Browns' offseason conditioning program, but club officials requested he not use the complex. The feeling was that, if Couch was injured during a conditioning session, Cleveland could be liable for the final two seasons of his contract and his trade value would be diminished.


That impasse led Couch to file a grievance against the team. He dropped the grievance last week as part of the agreement that led to his release.


"I didn't agree with the way [the Browns] handled it," Couch said of his long goodbye. "I expected to be released when they signed Garcia, but that's not what happened. It was tough being in limbo for so long."


Couch carried a salary cap charge of $9.26 million for 2004 with the Browns and was due a base salary of $7.6 million. His base salary for 2005 was $8 million and his cap charge $9.663 million. Before signing Garcia, the Browns had attempted to reduce Couch's compensation to about $6.5 million total for 2004 and 2005. Couch refused to accept such a dramatic restructuring, and, after the addition of Garcia, he rebuffed overtures to stay in Cleveland as the backup.


In 62 appearances, 59 of them starts, Couch has completed 1,025 of 1,714 attempts for 11,131 yards, with 64 touchdown passes, 67 interceptions and a passer rating of 75.1.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com
 

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Bobcat said:
Hi Russ If you havwn't heard yet!!!

Yes I know.

I was just elaborating on my point on why I doubted Denver would be willing to sign Couch for just one year, the amount of time they would have to put into working with him would take time away from Jake, who they appear committed to.
 

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