Time for a new RB!

[Cardforlife]

I like Shipp I like JJ but they aren't doing it here. We need a hybrid of the two a bigger back who can break mid range run. Shipp had 13 carries for 22 yards Jj barely gets any touches b/c he gets killed when ever he touches the ball. Even behind a terrible line good backs get yards. Our backs aren't getting any yards. We should be talking to Clev about Suggs. Pitt about Duce. Cinncy about Perry.
I'm just throwing anmes out there, but I'm sure as Sh*T we need a better back.

 

[BigRedRage]

i dlike to keep shipp and get a starter, he can be 3rd downs or a passing back. i saw arrington do a whole lot of nothing in the carolina game

 

[Scott MS]

Yeah, we need a bigger back to run into the back of the OL line and get stuck in the backfield.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

OJ Simpson in a revved up white Bronco, wouldn't average more than 3 yards per carry behind this line. Correct the o-line problems, and then and only then... will we know whether Shipp and JJ are the problem.

 

[Russ Smith]

I like Shipp I like JJ but they aren't doing it here. We need a hybrid of the two a bigger back who can break mid range run. Shipp had 13 carries for 22 yards Jj barely gets any touches b/c he gets killed when ever he touches the ball. Even behind a terrible line good backs get yards. Our backs aren't getting any yards. We should be talking to Clev about Suggs. Pitt about Duce. Cinncy about Perry.
I'm just throwing anmes out there, but I'm sure as Sh*T we need a better back.

Suggs can't beat out Green and Droughns in Cleveland for a reason, he can't stay healthy. He's very talented but always hurt.

Staley is 30, has a history of injuries, and has anybody looked at the guy recently he's freaking HUGE! Pitt lists him at 242 and if you saw him last night(in streetclothes of course since he's hurt again) he looked massive. Clearly out of shape and overweight right now, he had knee surgery just a few weeks ago and took 3 weeks longer to rehab than expected. He's been active for just one game this year and didn't play, his knee is still not 100%. He can play but trading for him when he's not in shape or 100% would be sketchy.

Perry is quite promising but Cincy likely won't trade him, he's in the process of taking carries away from Rudi Johnson.

Green hinted yesterday that any trade would be for a CB, and that didnt' seem likely.

 

[joko4]

Simple Solution
Better Offensive Line,(run blocking)
There's your secret grasshopper.​

 

[JeffGollin]

"To repeat the same action over and over and expect a different outcome each time is a sign of insanity."

We have been playing "Shuffle the RB's" for at least twenty years. With the exception of one or two years when our running game was almost average, we haven't had a running game.

Meanwhile, RB's who have left us (including TJ and Pittman) have been more effective playing for other teams.

Hello?

How many of you are old enough to remember the "78 Club" It stood for an offensive line that gave up 78 sacks and enabled our RB's to average 78 yards per game*.

Management's response was to (finally!!!) start drafting highly rated offensive linemen and bring in a few free agents. But it appears that merely bringing in highly-regarded players wasn't enough. We failed to mold these individuals into an effective unit - particularly in the run game. Shelton? Gone! Dishman? Gone! Clement? Gone! Kendall? Gone! Leonard Davis? Still here but playing at about 70% of his potential.

There has to be a commitment (make that an obsession!) to doing whatever it takes to put together a dominating offensive line that intimidates people and not to relax until we get to that point of excellence.

Until we do, we will continue to have this annual beating of the breasts and humming the "why don't we change running backs?" mantra.

* Actually, when you review this year's running stats so far, 78 yards would represent a really good day.

 

[joko4]

Just a thought. Is there any team out there that would give up a, "decent",offensive lineman for Josh or Warner?

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm glad people actually watch the games. Oh wait, they don't. Otherwise they wouldn't be talking ish about JJ after he went 4 carries for 14 yards (3+ ypc) and didn't lose yards on any of his runs.

The RB carousel needs to end, and people need to understand it is the line, not the back.

I'm glad we give up on rookies, btw, after 30-some touches yet 80% of you thought Josh McCown was the second coming of youknowwho and kept harping "he's only had X starts and 3 years, he's basically a rookie." Blah blah blah. Josh finally turned it around and is looking like he might have some measure of success in this league. And no JohnH, RBs don't either "have it or they don't." You've posted that several times, and people have blown holes in that theory over and over again. Many RBs need to adjust to the NFL level, and to do that they need touches.

 

[joko4]

I was thinking last night. You know if we had good run blocking that would take us easily to the playoffs.
Our running backs are powerful,yes they are, with blocking. Josh and Warner have already proved themslves. The WR's are strong and physical. All it needs
is run blocking.

 

[earthsci]

I'm just throwing anmes out there, but I'm sure as Sh*T we need a better back.

How about Thomas Jones? Oh wait, he was an example of how everyone overreacts and wants something stupid. Kind of like Garrison Hearst. Never mind.

 

[john h]

I'm glad people actually watch the games. Oh wait, they don't. Otherwise they wouldn't be talking ish about JJ after he went 4 carries for 14 yards (3+ ypc) and didn't lose yards on any of his runs.

The RB carousel needs to end, and people need to understand it is the line, not the back.

I'm glad we give up on rookies, btw, after 30-some touches yet 80% of you thought Josh McCown was the second coming of youknowwho and kept harping "he's only had X starts and 3 years, he's basically a rookie." Blah blah blah. Josh finally turned it around and is looking like he might have some measure of success in this league. And no JohnH, RBs don't either "have it or they don't." You've posted that several times, and people have blown holes in that theory over and over again. Many RBs need to adjust to the NFL level, and to do that they need touches.

Disagree. I have heard various analysist note that RB's come ready to play. You do not teach speed. You do not teach power. You do not teach instinct. All you need to do is learn the plays. You will have a great idea of what kind of RB you have after the first year or sooner. Is there any question that Williams or his running mate from Auburn are going to be very good NFL RB's? Great running backs came into this league and were big time the year they arrived. Rarely so with other positions. Do you really think JJ will be a great RB after what you have seen? I question whether he will be a servicable QB. Who are some great RB's that developed after 2 years? We had a couple of decent RB's who were injured the first year and tried to play. They did develop into decent RB's when we let them go. Hearst and T. Jones. Players like Earl Campbell, Cadillac, Sayers,Jim Brown, Franco Harris, Alexander, and on and on came in and made an impact from the first year. Name me a group who developed after 1-2 years into great RB's? This team is in bad need of a big time runner and a big time QB. Yes and and an improved OL.

 

[abomb]

OK guy. Maybe fantasy football suits you better than NFL football.

A-Bomb

 

[earthsci]

Disagree. I have heard various analysist note that RB's come ready to play. You do not teach speed. You do not teach power. You do not teach instinct. All you need to do is learn the plays. You will have a great idea of what kind of RB you have after the first year or sooner. Is there any question that Williams or his running mate from Auburn are going to be very good NFL RB's? Great running backs came into this league and were big time the year they arrived. Rarely so with other positions. Do you really think JJ will be a great RB after what you have seen? I question whether he will be a servicable QB. Who are some great RB's that developed after 2 years? We had a couple of decent RB's who were injured the first year and tried to play. They did develop into decent RB's when we let them go. Hearst and T. Jones. Players like Earl Campbell, Cadillac, Sayers,Jim Brown, Franco Harris, Alexander, and on and on came in and made an impact from the first year. Name me a group who developed after 1-2 years into great RB's? This team is in bad need of a big time runner and a big time QB. Yes and and an improved OL.

Well wait until the year is over before you declare JJ a deficiant RB. Kevin Jones gained 1133 yds last year, his rookie year. He only had 106 yds thru the first 6 weeks.

 

[conraddobler]

I'm glad people actually watch the games. Oh wait, they don't. Otherwise they wouldn't be talking ish about JJ after he went 4 carries for 14 yards (3+ ypc) and didn't lose yards on any of his runs.

The RB carousel needs to end, and people need to understand it is the line, not the back.

I'm glad we give up on rookies, btw, after 30-some touches yet 80% of you thought Josh McCown was the second coming of youknowwho and kept harping "he's only had X starts and 3 years, he's basically a rookie." Blah blah blah. Josh finally turned it around and is looking like he might have some measure of success in this league. And no JohnH, RBs don't either "have it or they don't." You've posted that several times, and people have blown holes in that theory over and over again. Many RBs need to adjust to the NFL level, and to do that they need touches.

I'm not giving up on JJ he's going to be good for the type of back he is.

We still need a true power back on the roster though.

I agree totally it's the line, there are no holes.

 

[earthsci]

I'm not giving up on JJ he's going to be good for the type of back he is.

We still need a true power back on the roster though.

I agree totally it's the line, there are no holes.

I agree. Given a choice between LenDale White and Reggie Bush I would want White.

 

[john h]

I was thinking last night. You know if we had good run blocking that would take us easily to the playoffs.
Our running backs are powerful,yes they are, with blocking. Josh and Warner have already proved themslves. The WR's are strong and physical. All it needs
is run blocking.

JJ is no power running back. Never was nor meant to be. We really do not have a 245 lb real power RB such as Bettis who will get you that 2-3 yds no matter who the OL is. The Redskins lived on the power running game for years. They would get a lead and then run you and the clock to death with their big running backs such as John Riggins.

 

[Russ Smith]

I agree. Given a choice between LenDale White and Reggie Bush I would want White.

Another kid I like although not as much as White is Michael Bush of Louisville. Converted QB, still learning and runs too upright but a big (6'3" 240) strong pounder of a RB, already has 11 TD's this year, 5.6 a carry. Not going to break a lot of big runs and not as nimble as White, but very talented kid. No idea if he comes out he's a junior, but he's the kind of guy you could get in the 3rd round maybe later depending on his 40 times.

 

[john h]

How about Thomas Jones? Oh wait, he was an example of how everyone overreacts and wants something stupid. Kind of like Garrison Hearst. Never mind.

Buddy overreacted on Hearst as he was injured. Jones was not at full strength his first year. I along with others on this board never did want to get rid of Jones. He is 7th in the NFL in rushing and ran for 137 last week. Maybe it is my imagination but we seem to get rid of some good players when we get them. DG comes in and wants all his own guys. How many head coaches have we had in the last decade? Do all of them want their guys? If so it is no wonder we lose good players and seem to always be starting over.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Right off the top of my head:

1. Thomas Jones - Yeah, I helped kicked him outta here but now I see the guy can play. He was given his walking papers way to early. But he is a much different back now than he was here. He runs like an NFL back now. I would love to have his ability here, but I still can't stand the guy.

2. Pittman - See Thomas Jones, but less ability.

3. Garrison Hearst - He was good. We can blame Buddy Ryan for that. If you are a RB in the NFL you are gonna get knocked around. It would have been nice to see him here longer but for our current problems he would not be the solution.

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The question still remains, Do we need a RB?

Heck yea! If a top RB is available to us then we should snag him, but the other part to this is that we do not get rid of Shipp or JJ.

The Cardinals always lack depth but if you keep Shipp, and JJ, AND aquire another top of the line RB then not only do you upgrade your RB position you upgrade its depth.

It is kinda like our current QB situation. McCown at #2 and Davey at #3 is some really good depth at that position.

Peace

 

[JC_AZ]

Get rid of Jackson and trade BJ

for Ricky Williams or even Brandon Jacobs from NYG...Jacobs is a stud and the only reason he isn't getting more touches is some guy named TIKI BARBER... when we played the Giants we had 3-4 guys trying to drag that huge, angry SOB to the ground and he still was getting his yards... exactly what we need to convert those 3rd and 1's and get the job done inside the red zone

 

[Pariah]

for Ricky Williams or even Brandon Jacobs from NYG

Williams will be traded, but not this season. He'll be in a new uni come next year, though.

Jacobs? The Giants won't trade him. There's a much better chance they'd trade Barber, IMO.

And for Chris Perry--see Barber. Perry is the futre in Cinci. He'll be the back toting the ball in the SB in a couple of years, not Johnson.

 

[Duckjake]

We have been playing "Shuffle the RB's" for at least twenty years. With the exception of one or two years when our running game was almost average, we haven't had a running game.

Yes but most of the time those RB's were second rate.

Look at the Cards 1st round selections:

Ollie Matson
John David Crow
MacArthur Lane
Larry Stegent
Ottis Anderson
Garrison Hearst
Thomas Jones

An impressive list.

Yet the Cards have taken only two RB's in the first round since 1979.
Meanwhile they pick up duds like Tony Jeffries, Anthony Thompson, Chuck Levy and Leland McElroy in the 2nd round.

If the Oline can pass block but the team can't run the ball I'm betting it's because they have an UDFA and a 2nd round rookie toting the rock.

They really need a big power back for short yardage but with the injuries this year that's probably something we won't see.

Thomas Jones was a mistake for the Cardinals and should he never have been drafted without moving Pittman out right away. It made for a bad situation that was exacerbated by Jones association with certain other malcontents. The Cards had no choice but to send TJ packing.

 

[duckfallas]

The Cards have a long history of getting rid of running backs who end up being good players elsewhere. They also have a long history of ******* O lines. Correlation?

Shipp and Arrington are not the problem.

 

[Duckjake]

The Cards have a long history of getting rid of running backs who end up being good players elsewhere. They also have a long history of ******* O lines. Correlation?

Shipp and Arrington are not the problem.

The Cards have a long history of getting rid of players at every position who end up being good players elsewhere.

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