Time To Rant

[Mitch]

1. You need to think and pray about coming back Kurt Warner? You who finally have earned what you have desperately wanted all these years, an organization who believes in you and will name you the unquestionable #1 QB? And has the personnel around you to make it to the Super Bowl...

Unreal.

2. The chances are "slim" that you will be back with Arizona, Q? You just came a whisker from winning a Super Bowl ring with an organization you helped to develop, and you were hurt in Carolina and the team still won by twenty points to get you in an NFC Championship game (which you did very little in...except call your OC a derogatory name during the most critical drive in Cardinal history and then bolt out the door while your teammates were celebrating the only NFC Championship in Cardinal history for joining your unctuous agent for a little man love) and you still want out the door?

Unreal.

3. You're raving about playing in NY, Karlos? You who cannot blow up a play to save your life because you are too chicken shhhhhh? You who call yourself one of the "elite LBers in the game today." That's a joke. Have teams go and check your play versus Minnesota and New England where you pulled an egregious no-show and ask them to check out how elite you are. And, by the way, how come almost every big short play turned TD came to your side of the field? That's how elite you are.

Unreal.

4. You are no longer Arizona's "hostage" Edge. Good luck to you. By the way do you actually think you'll still be a starting RB in this league, let alone have another chance at a ring? Good riddance. It's always been all about you Edge.

5. Hey Antonio, Carolina has the hots for you, huh? You're all wet about that, aren't you? Yeah, check the score of their last game...ugh...oh yeah it was versus your old team, yeah the one that got you to the Super Bowl. Keep wetting you pants and oh by the way thanks for pulling a no show in the Super Bowl. Way to go. That's what Carolina did versus us...you're made to order for them.

Unreal.

It's all about something else isn't it?

Well let me throw something completely different out there. Despite not having a contract for 2009, Bertrand Berry has been talking non-stop about what "we" need to do to get back to Super Bowl next year. That's right, "we." He was the one who swallowed his pride, got real, and took a paycut to return to the Cardinals...and promptly led the team in sacks, provided sound leadership and played his butt off. For him there still is a "we." For the rest of you there is no I or we in TEAM.

 

[Shogun]

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It's too early to be pissed about the players posturing for a contract.

 

[EndZone]

For the rest of you there is no I or we in TEAM.

Nope but there is a "me"

I have no problem with Warner that is Kurt Warner...always has been, its refreshing to see someone stick with "who they are" no matter what the situation.

the rest of them, can be replaced

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Besides Warner who is really old. None of the other players looking at other places should be a surprise.

It is way too early to worry about all this good buddy.

 

[red desert]

Mitch -

Come on now, Kurt had done nothing to deserve that sort of commentary. Especially from someone as accomplished as you. If he needs to take a little bit of time, he's earned that right.

As for Q, I think he needs to take a step back and chill out. I am starting to question if Arizona is the right fit for him from on forward.

Edge, good bye, and thank you. No hard feelings there.

Dansby, let him look. He, too, has earned that.

Bottom line, not everyone is Bert Berry. And our front office could have avoided this (like they could have avoided having to pay Fitz what they did) by thinking ahead. And I am getting the feeling that they have been sitting back like the rest of us just watching the festivities instead of having a plan in place to take care of business asap.

 

[pinnacle]

I have a question.... Regarding Edge and Anquan....they obviously seem very unhappy - but I assume it is for different reasons. I assume Edge is upset because he was benched and Anquan is upset because he did not get a new contract. Or...do they both just do not want to play for the organization for other reasons? Let's be serious for a minute...Edge...will probably get less yards and carries next year...wherever he plays....vs. this year...and no one will pay him $5 million per year (or whatever the Cardinals are paying him). What is he SO upset about? He will probably end up in a rotation or 2nd team next year...I do not get it. I agree..what situation will be better for him next year...other than perhaps geographics of being closer to home...

Regarding Anquan....what if the Cardinals give him a large new contract. Does he want to play elsewhere for other reasons...or is it soley about the money.

Just curious if these were isolated issues with both players...or is there still some bad vibes out there regarding players not wanting to come to Arizona....you would think that stigma was washed away after this season.

I will say this....I think we have a good scouting and coaching staff..finally...and I trust they will grade out everyone and decide who is expendable and who is not....they seem to know what they are doing. I think of the Steelers being in the Super Bowl this year....after letting some big name players leave (joey porter comes to mind)....maybe some of that ability will rub off on our team.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch -

Come on now, Kurt had done nothing to deserve that sort of commentary. Especially from someone as accomplished as you. If he needs to take a little bit of time, he's earned that right.

As for Q, I think he needs to take a step back and chill out. I am starting to question if Arizona is the right fit for him from on forward.

Edge, good bye, and thank you. No hard feelings there.

Dansby, let him look. He, too, has earned that.

Bottom line, not everyone is Bert Berry. And our front office could have avoided this (like they could have avoided having to pay Fitz what they did) by thinking ahead. And I am getting the feeling that they have been sitting back like the rest of us just watching the festivities instead of having a plan in place to take care of business asap.

What irks me, Red Desert, is that on the heels of coming 45 seconds from winning a Super Bowl all we are hearing is hemming and hawing from these players as to what they want to do. Do they really want to win a ring? Do they really want to build on what they just experienced? Do they all want the Cardinals to get down on their knees and beg them to stay?

How many players are asking out of Pittsburgh right now? Or even Philadelphia? How many of their players are hemming and hawing?

 

[red desert]

What irks me, Red Desert, is that on the heels of coming 45 seconds from winning a Super Bowl all we are hearing is hemming and hawing from these players as to what they want to do. Do they really want to win a ring? Do they really want to build on what they just experienced? Do they all want the Cardinals to get down on their knees and beg them to stay?

How many players are asking out of Pittsburgh right now? Or even Philadelphia? How many of their players are hemming and hawing?

Do you really - truly - think that's what is going on with Kurt? Truth be told, he is the only guy that I will defend wholeheartedly in this discussion. Your points on the others had validity to them, IMO.

I honestly believe that Kurt is just trying to take a moment to kiss his wife, hug his kids, and catch his breath. That's who the guy is.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How many players are asking out of Pittsburgh right now? Or even Philadelphia? How many of their players are hemming and hawing?

Probably alot of them.Especially the ones without a contract for next season.Being Cardinals fans we just don't look for it as much.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

1. You need to think and pray about coming back Kurt Warner? You who finally have earned what you have desperately wanted all these years, an organization who believes in you and will name you the unquestionable #1 QB? And has the personnel around you to make it to the Super Bowl...

Unreal.

He's the most understandable of the bunch. He's going on 38 years old, has a family and maybe wants to go out while he's still on top (or close to it) rather than being one of those QB who hung on for too long.

I understand why he's weighing his options. At least he doesn't have one foot out the door like others. He's more or less stated that it's either re-signing with the Cardinals or retiring.

2. The chances are "slim" that you will be back with Arizona, Q? You just came a whisker from winning a Super Bowl ring with an organization you helped to develop, and you were hurt in Carolina and the team still won by twenty points to get you in an NFC Championship game (which you did very little in...except call your OC a derogatory name during the most critical drive in Cardinal history and then bolt out the door while your teammates were celebrating the only NFC Championship in Cardinal history for joining your unctuous agent for a little man love) and you still want out the door?

Unreal.

Boldin's been acting like an ass since the second Fitz signed his new deal. Sadly, Boldin's not the player or person we thought he was, he's proven himself to be a me-first, money driven egomaniac.

Then again, he IS repped by Drew Rosenhaus, so it's almost as though all of us should have seen this day coming.

3. You're raving about playing in NY, Karlos? You who cannot blow up a play to save your life because you are too chicken shhhhhh? You who call yourself one of the "elite LBers in the game today." That's a joke. Have teams go and check your play versus Minnesota and New England where you pulled an egregious no-show and ask them to check out how elite you are. And, by the way, how come almost every big short play turned TD came to your side of the field? That's how elite you are.

Unreal.

LOL ouch. While I don't think Dansby's that bad, him raving about playing in Miami and New York at this moment me thinks is him just posturing. Not in the best of tastes but eh.

4. You are no longer Arizona's "hostage" Edge. Good luck to you. By the way do you actually think you'll still be a starting RB in this league, let alone have another chance at a ring? Good riddance. It's always been all about you Edge.

It was all about him from Day 1. If it wasn't, he would have never left Indianapolis.

 

[Shogun]

What irks me, Red Desert, is that on the heels of coming 45 seconds from winning a Super Bowl all we are hearing is hemming and hawing from these players as to what they want to do. Do they really want to win a ring? Do they really want to build on what they just experienced? Do they all want the Cardinals to get down on their knees and beg them to stay?

How many players are asking out of Pittsburgh right now? Or even Philadelphia? How many of their players are hemming and hawing?

That's not a fair assessment. Those organizations can't be compared to Arizona because they both have had sustained success and their front office knows what's best to maintain it. It's uncharted territory for this team.

 

[Skkorpion]

I have a question.... Regarding Edge and Anquan....they obviously seem very unhappy - but I assume it is for different reasons. I assume Edge is upset because he was benched and Anquan is upset because he did not get a new contract. Or...do they both just do not want to play for the organization for other reasons? Let's be serious for a minute...Edge...will probably get less yards and carries next year...wherever he plays....vs. this year...and no one will pay him $5 million per year (or whatever the Cardinals are paying him). What is he SO upset about? He will probably end up in a rotation or 2nd team next year...I do not get it. I agree..what situation will be better for him next year...other than perhaps geographics of being closer to home...

Regarding Anquan....what if the Cardinals give him a large new contract. Does he want to play elsewhere for other reasons...or is it soley about the money.

Just curious if these were isolated issues with both players...or is there still some bad vibes out there regarding players not wanting to come to Arizona....you would think that stigma was washed away after this season.

I will say this....I think we have a good scouting and coaching staff..finally...and I trust they will grade out everyone and decide who is expendable and who is not....they seem to know what they are doing. I think of the Steelers being in the Super Bowl this year....after letting some big name players leave (joey porter comes to mind)....maybe some of that ability will rub off on our team.

I'm not answering the above questions. Just endorsing your final paragraph. It is well put.

 

[jefftheshark]

Q is under contract.

Advantage: Cardinals.

Warner knows (or at least, should know) that his best chance for a return to the Super Bowl is in AZ.

Advantage: Cardinals.

Losing Edge is addition by subtraction.

Advantage: Cardinals.

We stand to lose a former fifth round pick to Free Agency, which will create a space for a possibly better 2nd round pick (Campbell) to fill his spot.

Advantage: Cardinals.

Hmmmmmm.

I guess I'm having a tough time getting into rant mode.

JTS

 

[ajcardfan]

I like for something bad to actually happen before I get upset.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Agree with everything you said except your comment on Kurt Warner. If he feels like this is his time to retire, it's his right to do so. Honestly, I don't know what we're going to if he does decide to retire. Hope Matt Leinart can play better than he has so far.

I agree, I really want Bertrand Berry back!

 

[Ryanwb]

Brian St. Pierre should be the starting QB, right Mitch?

 

[jefftheshark]

I like for something bad to actually happen before I get upset.

That's always been your problem.

A complete and utter lack of proactivity.



JTS

 

[conraddobler]

I'm interested to see their strategy for this season but I certainly won't be getting upset here.

Those days are over, these guys got a team to the SuperBowl folks, that's not chopped liver, Whis will have input, no one is going to rip apart a team in Whis's face, if he really wants something he'll probably get it, what I'm curious about is what he really thinks is important.

I bet it'd surprise some people as to who he's really worried about getting back.

My guess is he's really rooting for Warner to come back and after that I don't think he's as worried about anyone.

 

[Mitch]

Brian St. Pierre should be the starting QB, right Mitch?

Yes.

 

[anks106]

Yes.

Please tell me that's facetious and I just can't tell over the internet.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Brian St. Pierre should be the starting QB, right Mitch?

Yes.

Obviously that's if Warner does retire. If he does St. Pierre should be given a chance at it for sure.

 

[Mitch]

I'm interested to see their strategy for this season but I certainly won't be getting upset here.

Those days are over, these guys got a team to the SuperBowl folks, that's not chopped liver, Whis will have input, no one is going to rip apart a team in Whis's face, if he really wants something he'll probably get it, what I'm curious about is what he really thinks is important.

I bet it'd surprise some people as to who he's really worried about getting back.

My guess is he's really rooting for Warner to come back and after that I don't think he's as worried about anyone.

I think you are right, conrad.

 

[Buckybird]

What irks me, Red Desert, is that on the heels of coming 45 seconds from winning a Super Bowl all we are hearing is hemming and hawing from these players as to what they want to do. Do they really want to win a ring? Do they really want to build on what they just experienced? Do they all want the Cardinals to get down on their knees and beg them to stay?

How many players are asking out of Pittsburgh right now? Or even Philadelphia? How many of their players are hemming and hawing?

No one else in the league has the issues the Cards have right now. Nearly half of our team is a free agent. I bet we lead the league in that category, it's business!!!

 

[Ryanwb]

Obviously that's if Warner does retire. If he does St. Pierre should be given a chance at it for sure.

The guy has thrown 1 NFL pass (incomplete) yet some how he should be given a chance to start for this team?

 

[Mitch]

Warner #1. St. Pierre #2. Palko #3.

Leinart to the Jets for their first rounder...for which the Cardinals draft the best DE or RB available.

I take back my Warner rant. At least he said that if he does return it will be with the Cardinals. That's the ticket!