Time to shop Marion

[just do it]

might as well package Barbosa with him and kill 2 birds with one stone. Players that don't come to play in the post season are useless. Tim Thomas off the waiver wire a month ago is a better fit.

 

[Billythekid]

I am as frustrated as the next person right now, but talking about trading Marion is just silly. This team is not build for Shawn to be the star. That guy is sitting on the bench. Therefore Shawn is trying to do things he's not accustomed to do, because... theres no one else to do them. KT and Amare out, leaves Shawn having to shoulder the responsibility of being our BIG. Diaw and TT are just too soft for that... Shawn to a lesser degree.

It was be disastrous if we were to trade Shawn. Nash/Marion/Amare is what we have to wait for.

 

[Gaddabout]

might as well package Barbosa with him and kill 2 birds with one stone. Players that don't come to play in the post season are useless. Tim Thomas off the waiver wire a month ago is a better fit.

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1. Nearsighted; myopic.
2. Lacking foresight.

How about we just wait and see what Marion and Barbosa look like
with a healthy roster next year?

 

[elindholm]

I disagree. Marion blew half a dozen layups tonight and fumbled critical rebounds, including one with just a couple of minutes left that would have given the Suns a possession to tie (and which instead went right into Walton's hands for another layup). Stoudemire or not, he needs to be able to do basic things come playoff time. He had good series last summer against Memphis and Dallas, but other than that, he hasn't gotten it done.

 

[JS22]

Marion, Barbosa, ATL Pick

For

Garnett.

 

[Gaddabout]

Marion, Barbosa, ATL Pick

For

Garnett.

If the Suns could acquire Garnett while keeping Nash and Stoudemire, any (or all) players make a lot of sense.

 

[Gaddabout]

I disagree. Marion blew half a dozen layups tonight and fumbled critical rebounds, including one with just a couple of minutes left that would have given the Suns a possession to tie (and which instead went right into Walton's hands for another layup). Stoudemire or not, he needs to be able to do basic things come playoff time. He had good series last summer against Memphis and Dallas, but other than that, he hasn't gotten it done.

I think if/when Marion is allowed to play the 3 specifically, he should do much better. But he's going to have to drastically work on his shot, because he's such a liability on the wing when he's expected to make shots from the deep corner.

 

[Chaplin]

And let's face it: Steve Nash played absolutely horribly in the first half. He really was the reason we were down at halftime. Say all you want about Shawn Marion, but a big reason we lost this game is because Steve Nash kept turning the ball over and taking really bad shots.

Oh, and by the way, the Suns should seriously ask for the money back that they paid Smush Parker last year.

 

[just do it]

I am as frustrated as the next person right now, but talking about trading Marion is just silly. This team is not build for Shawn to be the star. That guy is sitting on the bench. Therefore Shawn is trying to do things he's not accustomed to do, because... theres no one else to do them. KT and Amare out, leaves Shawn having to shoulder the responsibility of being our BIG. Diaw and TT are just too soft for that... Shawn to a lesser degree.

It was be disastrous if we were to trade Shawn. Nash/Marion/Amare is what we have to wait for.

The problem with this is Marion will be crying about disrespect next year when everyone is crowing over Amare. We got outrebouinded tonight by 20 with 16 offensive rebounds, fair or not Marion needs to get 15 boards a night or we will lose. He missed layups, lobs and rebounds tonight and his game had choke job written all over it. If I see that hideous one handed turn around jump throw(cant call it a shot) I will throw up.

 

[hsandhu]

If the Suns could acquire Garnett while keeping Nash and Stoudemire, any (or all) players make a lot of sense.

If minny was willing to trade garnett, before the playoffs that would've been good enough. Unfortunately, shawn marion is killing us not only on the court, but he's killing his trade value (which was at an all time high after the all star break).

 

[cly2tw]

For 14 mil, which Marion will make I believe, you could do better to complement the Nash/Amare/Diaw core. It's not about how good Marion statistically could contribute, it's about whether the team has a better chance to win in the playoffs, with his replacements.

 

[jibikao]

The biggest issue is Marion's game relies 99% on his athletic ability. He has no one-on-one game and has very inconsistent outside shooting. When he gets old, he will take a huge hit on his game.

While he still has trade value, we should trade him for a guy who is more suitable for playoffs.

I would keep Diaw and Bell for now. Barbosa can go too. It's been 3 years and he is still dribbling with his head down.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

For 14 mil, which Marion will make I believe, you could do better to complement the Nash/Amare/Diaw core. It's not about how good Marion statistically could contribute, it's about whether the team has a better chance to win in the playoffs, with his replacements.

I tend to agree Marion always get his numbers without making a tremendous impact on the game. I mean that was the worst 20pt performance i have ever seen and that sounds weird typing it.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

The biggest issue is Marion's game relies 99% on his athletic ability. He has no one-on-one game and has very inconsistent outside shooting. When he gets old, he will take a huge hit on his game.

While he still has trade value, we should trade him for a guy who is more suitable for playoffs.

I would keep Diaw and Bell for now. Barbosa can go too. It's been 3 years and he is still dribbling with his head down.

True story, I'll ask one of the number crunchers on this bord to prove this out but I am willing to bet that Marion's 3pt attempts have gone up each year, as he loses his freakish athletic advantages he will rely mostly on 3's since he hates to drive the lane, which I don't consider a good thing. He is also one of the worst passing SF i have ever seen.

 

[jibikao]

True story, I'll ask one of the number crunchers on this bord to prove this out but I am willing to bet that Marion's 3pt attempts have gone up each year, as he loses his freakish athletic advantages he will rely mostly on 3's since he hates to drive the lane, which I don't consider a good thing. He is also one of the worst passing SF i have ever seen.

I also want to add that Marion's 3pt attempt goes up because Marion has weak one-on-one move and the defender always gives me a HUGE space. You rarely see a defender that closes in on Marion when he gets the ball. Simple. He can't break the defense with his dribbling and he has speed. Shooting 3pt is a good way to force the defender to close in and to avoid injuries.

If you ask the coaches, I guarantee you that they love it when Marion takes outside shots. Why? Because he is our best rebounder and he has inconsistent shots. Why wouldn't you want him to take 3pt shot and leave the paint empty? I know I would encourage him as a defender.

 

[Suns_fan69]

It's a tough call. Marion is one of the main reasons the suns are in the position they are currently at with regards to seeding. He comes to play hard and for the most part is successful at the little things that coaches love.

His complete disappearance in the playoffs when the intensity rises is a bit troubling, however. In the long run, I don't know if it's effective to trade him. He is such a good fit for this system that anyone we get in return (including the dream scenario of KG) would pale in comparison in this system.

I think that with a healthy Amare and Kurt Thomas, Shawn's shortcomings will be mitigated as they become less reliant on his offense with Amare, and his defense with Kurt.

 

[jibikao]

It's a tough call. Marion is one of the main reasons the suns are in the position they are currently at with regards to seeding. He comes to play hard and for the most part is successful at the little things that coaches love.

His complete disappearance in the playoffs when the intensity rises is a bit troubling, however. In the long run, I don't know if it's effective to trade him. He is such a good fit for this system that anyone we get in return (including the dream scenario of KG) would pale in comparison in this system.

I think that with a healthy Amare and Kurt Thomas, Shawn's shortcomings will be mitigated as they become less reliant on his offense with Amare, and his defense with Kurt.

Think it this way. Our biggest threat to Final is Spurs and Marion can't produce well in that series, period. I still like Marion but his game is just not playoff friendly. When the defense gets so tight, there's rarely any fast break points and put-backs. How many offensive rebound did Marion get tonight? ZERO. He was usually the only one in the paint but he doesn't have the size at all. Playoff teams will not allow easy put-backs by a 6'7 guy. That's just not going to happen.

It's short-term pain. Suns' GM also needs to consider that Nash is getting old. If Suns is really serious about giving a push, then they need to make a decision quick while Marion is still at all-star level. You don't see KG Trade every year that's for sure. You gotta seal it when the moment comes just like how Suns got Nash when the opportunity was there.

 

[hcsilla]

I disagree. Marion blew half a dozen layups tonight and fumbled critical rebounds, including one with just a couple of minutes left that would have given the Suns a possession to tie (and which instead went right into Walton's hands for another layup).

That Walton-one made me hurt too.

Not to mention his baseline-penetration after Nash's breaking-down the defense which ended up in a soft lay-up (and Odom's block) instead of a dunk.

I love Marion and I'm completely against trading of him but he seems to be exhausted and scared at the same time and I don't really understand why.

 

[jibikao]

Ok, since we have almost no plan B, I am just going to fantasize one.

Assuming it's "unfair" for Marion to guard center/PF (Lamar) and he does have the rights to bitch about it, if we move him to his natural position SF, are we going to get blown out by Laker?

This means put Diaw in PF and TT in center or vice versa. If that doesn't work, then I don't know what to say about Marion.

 

[sly fly]

If you can get KG in exchange for Marion, Barbosa, and a #1... you do it. In a heartbeat. Without blinking. And, hope you don't get arrested for theft.

This playoff series has illustrated Marion's weaknesses. Just like last year illustrated Marion's weaknesses... with a healthy Amare and JJ!

When Tim Thomas, a late-season pick-up off the waiver wire, is making more of an impact than most players... you HAVE to look deep inside your roster. Is it good enough to get beyond Round 1? Round 2?

The answer may be no.

So, you essentially have Amare, KG, and Nash. Who else do you want Minnesota?

 

[Goldfield]

I wouldnt even blink for a trade for KG. I would send Marion, Barbosa, 2 first rounders, & KT even...

 

[Joe Mama]

It's a tough call. Marion is one of the main reasons the suns are in the position they are currently at with regards to seeding. He comes to play hard and for the most part is successful at the little things that coaches love.

His complete disappearance in the playoffs when the intensity rises is a bit troubling, however. In the long run, I don't know if it's effective to trade him. He is such a good fit for this system that anyone we get in return (including the dream scenario of KG) would pale in comparison in this system.

I think that with a healthy Amare and Kurt Thomas, Shawn's shortcomings will be mitigated as they become less reliant on his offense with Amare, and his defense with Kurt.

it's true that if Amare Stoudemire and Kurt Thomas were playing in this series we probably would not be complaining much about Shawn Marion. I think that's a way to combat other criticisms of the Phoenix Suns play in this series. I don't think you can use it with the criticisms of Shawn Marion because the guy keeps crying about getting no respect. I mean it wasn't 48 hours ago that he said the problem with his game is that he's not getting the ball enough.

Even at the trade deadline when Shawn Marion's trade value was that an all-time high I said trading for KG should be a no-brainer. Obviously I feel that way even more now. Running the fast break is the ONLY part of the game that Shawn Marion might excel over KG. I don't think KG would disappoint at all in that area though. He would also be fantastic at securing the ball and passing it out the quarto for the defense. You could really send players 1-3 up the floor just about every time with him and Kurt Thomas in the middle.

Now, let's say the price for KG is too rich, or he isn't available at all as we suspect. Is there another move you would accept that would have Shawn Marion on another team next summer?

At the trade deadline I would have been happy with the move for KG, but I definitely would have felt conflicted. I have always said that I really want Shawn Marion to retire a Phoenix Sun. I've had it with his bitching and whining now though.

Joe Mama

 

[boisesuns]

With KG we would have two guys that warrant a double team assuming Amare comes back well. Even if he doesn't, KG and Nash is definalty better that Nash and Marion. We also have some SIZE and defense we keep complaining about. Would we stop the Lakers in the paint better with KG? No Question.

KG is a franchise player. How can you not want him? I know his salary is high, but his game would really benefit the suns.

 

[fordronken]

Suns Trade

Shawn Marion
Steve Nash
Kurt Thomas
Amare Stoudemire
Raja Bell
James Jones
Leandro Barbosa
Boris Diaw
Brian Grant
Eddie House
Pat Burke
Nikoloz Tskitishvilli
Tim Thomas
The rights to Milos Vujanic

Suns Receive

Gerald Wallace
Brevin Knight
Emeka Okafor
Raymond Felton
Primoz Brezec
Melvin Ely
Jake Voskuhl
Jumaine Jones
Sean May
Matt Carroll
Lonny Baxter
Bernard Robinson
Alan Anderson
Kevin Burleson

 

[elindholm]

Voskuhl's arms are short, so I don't like that trade.