Time to trade Reynolds

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Is it time to trade Mark Reynolds? After leaving a man on 3rd last night, no outs, twice and striking out every at bat and making a very poor throw to 1st, is it time for him to go?? Has his errors and strikeouts cost us more games than he has won??

What could we get for him?? Could he be packaged with Hudson and get a corner outfielder that can hit with power on a consistent basis?

I don't think a .250 batter that has 19 homers and 60+ RBI's, that has struck out 130+ times, is what we should keep. Now if his numbers where 25+homers and 80+ RBI's,I could look over his league leading 19 errors and strikeouts.

What is his trade value??


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If we miss out on Teixiera then maybe a package of Reynolds and another minor leaguer (A-baller) for Adam Dunn could be an option. Sure, Dunn strikes out alot but he almost has 30 HR's and would add protection to guys like CoJack, Upton, and Young.
 

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Reynolds looks a lot better this year than Quentin did last year, and we know how dumping Quentin worked out. It would be asinine to trade Reynolds, except for a very young and very good pitcher who we could control for the next 3-4 years.
 

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I really doubt we trade him but he really needs to be moved off of 3B. If we lose Hudson could we put Reynolds at 2B as thats what he was before we put him at 3B.
 

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Reynolds looks a lot better this year than Quentin did last year, and we know how dumping Quentin worked out. It would be asinine to trade Reynolds, except for a very young and very good pitcher who we could control for the next 3-4 years.

Except Quentin was always one of the top prospects in the organization, and Reynolds only got his shot last year because of injuries (to the major leaguers and the first couple in line at the minor league level as well). I don't think Reynolds was ever that highly thought of.
 

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Why on earth would you trade MArk Reynolds for a playes that will be here for 2 months??
 

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Why should the D'backs trade a guy who's played less than one full season in the majors, who also by the way skipped AAA? Reynolds is extremely young, be patient.
 

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Why should the D'backs trade a guy who's played less than one full season in the majors, who also by the way skipped AAA? Reynolds is extremely young, be patient.

He is 24, and will turn 25 at the beginning of August. He's not that young, by some baseball prospect standards.
 

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Why should the D'backs trade a guy who's played less than one full season in the majors, who also by the way skipped AAA? Reynolds is extremely young, be patient.

It is extremely difficult to be patient with a 3rd baseman who commits an incredible amount of errors and does not hit the ball well.
 

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He is 24, and will turn 25 at the beginning of August. He's not that young, by some baseball prospect standards.

He's young as far as experience playing professional baseball goes.

It is extremely difficult to be patient with a 3rd baseman who commits an incredible amount of errors and does not hit the ball well.

I think we all knew we were going to be following a very young team that was going to have big ups and downs, with a lot of errors and growing pains, when the team started building this way about 2 years ago. Personally I got that in my head and I'm willing to be patient, if the team is still towards the top of the league in strikeouts and errors in 2010, I'll flip, but for now its fine. Being around .500 is what we all should've expected out of this roster.
 

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I think we all knew we were going to be following a very young team that was going to have big ups and downs, with a lot of errors and growing pains, when the team started building this way about 2 years ago. Personally I got that in my head and I'm willing to be patient, if the team is still towards the top of the league in strikeouts and errors in 2010, I'll flip, but for now its fine. Being around .500 is what we all should've expected out of this roster.

You can't simply count on pitching for this team. You have to count on fielding and hitting.
 

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Hmm I need a list:


1) Quentin had a frayed labrum last year and played through it so he wouldn't lose his career. That's why he sucked so hard.

2) Reynolds does not "not hit the ball well". He don't make contact a lot, but when he does he hits the ball very well. You don't have that many HRs if you don't hit the ball well.

3) If you trade Reynolds, particularly for an OF or 1B then who plays 3B, Burke, Ojeda, gimpy Tracy who can't even play full time 1B?

4) Yes Reynolds is leading the league in E's at 3B, yes he strikes out a lot. However, the key number for Reynolds is $396,500. A mid market team paying a 4th OF $30M needs all the under $500k players it can get. We don't have the salary space to get perfect talent at all positions.

5) green machine seems to be the most on track in this thread. With Jackson playing a decent LF and Tracy back, the Byrnes extension has yet again caused a bottleneck of talent on the roster.
 

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The only competition for Reynolds at 3rd may be Jaime D'Antona, but he's no defensive whiz either. I still think moving Upton to SS and Drew to 2nd may be one way to go in the future.

I was explaining to a colleague just how many dominoes have fallen and will likely fall as a result of the Byrnes deal, and his eyes just got wider and wider. We screwed ourselves so royally with that stupid deal, and we'll just have to make the best we can of it for some time to come.

Eric Byrnes strikes out like a house afire, but we paid him $30 Mil -- for 'personality.'
 

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The only competition for Reynolds at 3rd may be Jaime D'Antona, but he's no defensive whiz either. I still think moving Upton to SS and Drew to 2nd may be one way to go in the future.

I was explaining to a colleague just how many dominoes have fallen and will likely fall as a result of the Byrnes deal, and his eyes just got wider and wider. We screwed ourselves so royally with that stupid deal, and we'll just have to make the best we can of it for some time to come.

Eric Byrnes strikes out like a house afire, but we paid him $30 Mil -- for 'personality.'

But Zenny, he's "the face of the franchise" and the Snakes SURELY couldn't let him go after they let the great Gonzo walk. If they let Byrnes walk, they show NO commitment to their fan base and may lose fans who will never come back /end sarcasm.

Also, seems like the bandwagon for Reynolds has begun to crash. Surprise, surprise.
 

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You can't simply count on pitching for this team. You have to count on fielding and hitting.

Huh? What exactly were you expecting for this team that their current around .500 play is a disappointment? They're doing exactly what ought to be expected of this roster. Luckily, its not a roster made of up of a bunch of washed up vets, its young kids who ought to be better next year and the year after.
 
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Reynolds looks a lot better this year than Quentin did last year, and we know how dumping Quentin worked out. It would be asinine to trade Reynolds, except for a very young and very good pitcher who we could control for the next 3-4 years.

The reason Quentin looked bad was because he was injured. It took a full year for his shoulder to heal. The reality was that there was no place for him.
 

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But it has a kernel of truth to it -- he was pegged already, Carlos said it himself. We all know Melvin would have had to have a gun to his head to play Carlos every day. He got to Chicago and said that immediately their trainers took a totally different rehab approach to him, far more patient and even restrictive. The veterans on the team, he said, provided real role modelling about work ethic, and went out of their way to help young players in Spring Training -- which really surprised him. He knew he had to prove he belonged in the big leagues, but once there, at least he didn't have to dig himself out of a hole to do it.

The reality is, the Carlos Quentin we are watching from afar very possibly could never have happened in our system.
 
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Thanks for the backup AZZENNY. He would have sat on the bench, playing every 5th or 6th day and be a little bit bettar than Burke. I am happy for him that he is having the success he's having because it never would have happened here. At least not until Melvin was gone.
 

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I'm no baseball math genius but it seems pretty obvious to me that the last guy you want to worry about is the one who leads the team in RBIs!

Last time I checked scoring more runs than the other team was still the most important stat.

As far as errors go I think Reynolds makes just about as many spectacular plays as he does errors. How do you measure that?

I bet if you check our .300 hitting Cojack has had just as many opportunities to drive in runs as Reynolds.
 

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