Titans aftermath thoughts from BRR

[AzStevenCal]

I almost never disagree with you Steve but I can't get behind this idea.

Fitz is a once in a lifetime player and not only the face of our franchise but one of them for the NFL as well.

The Cards need to draft a QB, OT and OLBer next year and the glaring holes are fixed.

Nobody can. I'm not ever sure I agree with me. I see a huge risk in parting with this man. He is everything you could possibly want in a player on and off the field. But, having said that, he's the only asset we have that could possibly bring us enough in return to make up for our OL deficiencies in the next year or two. And, no matter how great he is, we simply cannot draw full value from him on the field. If we can find another way to turn this offense around I'm all for keeping him (till the end of his career) but I just don't think we can.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

Nobody can. I'm not ever sure I agree with me. I see a huge risk in parting with this man. He is everything you could possibly want in a player on and off the field. But, having said that, he's the only asset we have that could possibly bring us enough in return to make up for our OL deficiencies in the next year or two. And, no matter how great he is, we simply cannot draw full value from him on the field. If we can find another way to turn this offense around I'm all for keeping him (till the end of his career) but I just don't think we can.

Steve

Even though I disagree, I give you a lot of props for even floating the idea. Most people wouldn't have the stones.

The part of your quote I bolded is very poignant. On the field we're probably only getting 60% (if that) of his full production value because we can't get him the ball. If we had a decent QB who could find him every time he's open, he gets doubled every single play with over the top safeties which opens up everything else in our offense: the 2's and 3's, TE's, and our running game. Without that though he's one of the highest paid receivers in the league providing only 60% of the production he's capable of.

You raise an interesting point, because he's the main asset we have in regards to trade's for picks. I just don't trust the org enough to get the return value in those pics. Even if they drafted 2 #1's on the oline in return I don't trust this org enough to make them equal to what we're giving up.

You, and others, are right though, in that you can't build a team around a HOF wide receiver. People have said it for years and it's been proven (his fantastic play in 08--and always--notwithstanding).

 

[Cardiac]

Nobody can. I'm not ever sure I agree with me. I see a huge risk in parting with this man. He is everything you could possibly want in a player on and off the field. But, having said that, he's the only asset we have that could possibly bring us enough in return to make up for our OL deficiencies in the next year or two. And, no matter how great he is, we simply cannot draw full value from him on the field. If we can find another way to turn this offense around I'm all for keeping him (till the end of his career) but I just don't think we can.

Steve

Just as an FYI. Watching the NFL network doing their preseason game broadcast. They have 6 to 8 lockers as part of the set behind Lombardi and Sapp. Brees, Brady, Manning and............Fitz are the most prominently displayed jersey's. Actually Brees and Fitz are due to camara angles. Ray Lewis and Andre Johnson are a couple more that rarely get camara time,

This is just one example of how Fitz is viewed and I truely believe STAR power like that shouldn't be traded. Those are all some of the best players in the league right now.

I not only think we can keep Fitz to the end of his career but absolutely have to!

 

[Darkside]

Just as an FYI. Watching the NFL network doing their preseason game broadcast. They have 6 to 8 lockers as part of the set behind Lombardi and Sapp. Brees, Brady, Manning and............Fitz are the most prominently displayed jersey's. Actually Brees and Fitz are due to camara angles. Ray Lewis and Andre Johnson are a couple more that rarely get camara time,

This is just one example of how Fitz is viewed and I truely believe STAR power like that shouldn't be traded. Those are all some of the best players in the league right now.

I not only think we can keep Fitz to the end of his career but absolutely have to!

Yeah, but now we're getting into stuff that doesn't really have to do with winning football games man. Stuff like with Tebow and helping the community and all that. Which is great, don't get me wrong. So is being an ambassador. So is bringing some respect to our team. But AzStevenCal is talking about winning football games.

Let's rephrase the question. If you could trade Fitz for 2 #1's, one of which is a HOF'er and 1 of which is just "great", would you do it? Would you bring in a HOF LT and a great QB? How about a HOF QB and a great LT?

You're going to win more games with that combo than with Fitz playing behind our QB's and Oline.

 

[Duckjake]

On the field we're probably only getting 60% (if that) of his full production value

Are you saying that Fitz could have had over 2,300 yards receiving with a better offense last season?

 

[Darkside]

Are you saying that Fitz could have had over 2,300 yards receiving with a better offense last season?

Dude, on Sirius they were saying Fitz has more catches than Jerry Rice at this point in his career, which is totally phenomenal. They were saying Fitz has had something like 9 or 10 QB's (I forget the exact #) throwing to him since he started, and how amazing that was. If he had a QB like Manning or Brady or even a dude like Stafford throwing to him he'd be off the charts. I think he'd be a dude everyone was talking about, someone the likes of which we've never seen. I absolutely believe that. He'd shatter Jerry's #'s. With Kurt, he already shattered Jerry's #'s in the playoffs. Imagine if he had a QB like Rice had in Steve Young and my favorite Joe Montana. My god.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Umm a WR is supposed to come back to a ball. Thats just good football. Running that direction throwing right handed and getting that ball as far as he did was amazing in itself. It was just a good throw. No two ways about it.

Yep... That was a 50 yard curl route that worked to perfection.

 

[Darkside]

Yep... That was a 50 yard curl route that worked to perfection.

Ya'll are crazy, you act like Fitz should have kept running for 60 or 70 or 80 yards. Nobody has that kind of arm while running. Kolb threw it 53 yards while on the run, and threw it back to the right while running left. Also threw it on a rope, a total laser, with no arc because it would have been intercepted. 53 yards on a rope while running is pretty strong. Not sure what you want to see. Some of the longest passes I've ever seen are 60 or 65 yards with a lot of arc, without any pressure and being able to plant on their back foot. I'll take a bullet of 53 while running any day. Good arm. Better than I thought he had.

 

[Jetstream Green]

...that was a very nice pass considering how he got his body in position on the run when he let it go (a scramble that actually did not go to his right which was shocking) and it was not a laser, but neither was it a floater, and it did not fall short, it just got where it had to go and it looked pretty. Kolb also did some things in the game which were down right ugly but luck had nothing to do with that play, it was a good play.

 

[Cardiac]

Yeah, but now we're getting into stuff that doesn't really have to do with winning football games man. Stuff like with Tebow and helping the community and all that. Which is great, don't get me wrong. So is being an ambassador. So is bringing some respect to our team. But AzStevenCal is talking about winning football games.

Let's rephrase the question. If you could trade Fitz for 2 #1's, one of which is a HOF'er and 1 of which is just "great", would you do it? Would you bring in a HOF LT and a great QB? How about a HOF QB and a great LT?

You're going to win more games with that combo than with Fitz playing behind our QB's and Oline.

I'll use your own quote (see below) to answer why having Fitz's jersey so prominently displayed on NFL network matters.

I really don't want to retype all the other reasons I've listed in this thread so for full understanding of my rationale just read them (again?).

Glad you have so much faith in the FO (I have a lot mind you) that they will surely hit on that HOF LT and Great QB in the draft. So no I don't want to gamble that I trade away a GOAT for potential.

Ever since FA started the Cards couldn't keep any of their great players. They barely could keep any of their good ones.

Now we have DD, CC, Adub & Fitz wanting to be Cardinals. We have a strong new young talented core group of players developing as we speak. Trading Fitz would change all of that. Why would DWash & PP & Hyphen etc want to re-sign with the Cards when they trade away Fitz?

Fitz is soooo much more that a Great WR. His leadership, attitude and drive to be the best is infectious and affects most if not all of his teammates. That in of itself does help win games.

Dude, on Sirius they were saying Fitz has more catches than Jerry Rice at this point in his career, which is totally phenomenal. They were saying Fitz has had something like 9 or 10 QB's (I forget the exact #) throwing to him since he started, and how amazing that was. If he had a QB like Manning or Brady or even a dude like Stafford throwing to him he'd be off the charts. I think he'd be a dude everyone was talking about, someone the likes of which we've never seen. I absolutely believe that. He'd shatter Jerry's #'s. With Kurt, he already shattered Jerry's #'s in the playoffs. Imagine if he had a QB like Rice had in Steve Young and my favorite Joe Montana. My god.

Yep, it's part of why Fitz is SOOOOO highly respected by everyone.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It was an outstanding throw no questions asked.

If Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers made that throw, everyone would be praising them to no end and what a great play it was. Kolb does it, so it's all luck and a bad play .

 

[Stout]

I'll be curious to finally see the play. It has me intrigued.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers made that throw, everyone would be praising them to no end and what a great play it was. Kolb does it, so it's all luck and a bad play .

First off, no freaking way would everyone be praising Brady or Rodgers to no end for making that throw. It was a nice throw and Brady and Rodgers make nice throws pretty regularly. Secondly, just about everyone here has acknowledged that it was a nice throw.

Steve

 

[Shane]

First off, no freaking way would everyone be praising Brady or Rodgers to no end for making that throw. It was a nice throw and Brady and Rodgers make nice throws pretty regularly. Secondly, just about everyone here has acknowledged that it was a nice throw.

Steve

You have a few claiming that it was a lucky throw and nothing great/nice about it. It was all Fitz.

 

[Shane]

I'll be curious to finally see the play. It has me intrigued.

Why wait? Just go here: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012082353/2012/PRE3/cardinals@titans#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Go to highlights box to the right. Its the 9th video down that shows that play specifically.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You have a few claiming that it was a lucky throw and nothing great/nice about it. It was all Fitz.

Yes, a few. MOST of us agree it was a nice throw. It wasn't, however, a throw for the ages. Kolb did a nice job keeping the play alive, squared his shoulders and threw a rope to a waiting Fitz. Nice play, I'd like to see several a game like that.

Steve