TMac for Francis completed and announced tomorrow after the expansion draft

[Chris_Sanders]

Well, I'm POSITIVE that we agree on this one.

Oh yeah I can see I will never live that thread down.

 

[slinslin]

I would even be willing to take on Juwan Howard's contract if that is what the Magic want. Afterall he would still be a decent 6th man although that would hurt our capspace.

I have pretty much given up on Kobe anyway.

 

[F-Dog]

This is the second time they've been carrying their dirty underwear in exactly the right kind of bag, and some idiot winds up mistaking it for their own bagful of money, leaving the cash in the Rockets' hands.

Great metaphor, but what was the other case?

When they got Steve Francis in the first place, for a package headed by Michael Dickerson.


Yes, the Rockets have now effectively swapped Michael Dickerson for Tracy McGrady.

 

[Evil Ash]

According to someone who is in Houston

I'm staying in Houston this summer and I just heard local radio (610) report that this is NOT a done deal yet.

The report says that the two teams are still trying to finalize a package of players. Meanwhile the Magic are getting a TON of calls from teams with new offers.

So maybe it's not final yet.


Btw it was Jim Gray who said that teams agreed on the trade but Howard was unprotected and the trade would hinge on wether Howard would be selected in the expansion draft.

For starters the ESPN insiders as it comes to these types of things is David Aldridge(sp?), Peter Vescey, and Chad Ford. These aren't exactly the sources that I would consider reliable.

Next with the news coming out of Houston that Francis doesn't want to play in Orlando, I don't think the PR disaster that would come from the player that supposedly wanted the most says that he doesn't want to play there would be something that the Magic would want. Its bad enough PR that they are trading a superstar away but add that to the equation and its a mess.

Don't be suprised if this is the Magic's way of driving the price up for other teams. If they actually do this trade the Magic GM is a moron.

BTW ESPNews has an announcement that they have more news coming out on the McGrady situation that will be on in 10 minutes. It could be a change in the situation. I'll keep you guys informed if it is

 

[Joe Mama]

Well, we could have another Shawn Marion debate here, but I'm not sure I believe that Steve Francis is really a better player than Shawn Marion. I definitely don't want to argue that. I will say that Steve Francis is a more valuable player however. He's going to attract more fans to the games. He's going to sell more jerseys. He is not a classic point guard, but he plays a more valuable position than Shawn Marion. He makes a lot more sense to a rebuilding team like Orlando than Shawn Marion does as the centerpiece in a trade that sends away their superstar player.

That said, I don't like Steve Francis. Supposedly he had grown up since he demanded that trade from the grizzlies. Whatever. He's a classic NBA prima donna.

Joe Mama

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Hey Ash...

Happy Birthday man!

 

[Joe Mama]

OK, what if there is some legitimacy to this idea of Steve Francis getting moved to Chicago after being traded to Orlando. I know Chandler has had trouble staying healthy, but can you imagine the shot blocking by a power forward/center combination of Chandler and Okafor?

Joe

 

[Evil Ash]

Hey Ash...

Happy Birthday man!

Thank you!

Now for a b-day present I want this rumor to be garbage! Oh Please! Oh Please! Oh Please!

 

[slinslin]

OK, what if there is some legitimacy to this idea of Steve Francis getting moved to Chicago after being traded to Orlando. I know Chandler has had trouble staying healthy, but can you imagine the shot blocking by a power forward/center combination of Chandler and Okafor?

Joe

Well the Bulls would be stupid to trade pure PG in Hinrich for Francis especially when they already have Crawford.

 

[Evil Ash]

It was just on ESPNews...

Even though Jim Gray says the deal is done it may not go through because Francis doesn't want to play in Orlando.

So which is it? Is he going or staying?

 

[KingLouieLouie]

It was just on ESPNews...

Even though Jim Gray says the deal is done it may not go through because Francis doesn't want to play in Orlando.

So which is it? Is he going or staying?

Happy B-Day EA!

I also watched that report, and I believe it's all contingent on if the Rockets and Magic would be able to find another team to form a 3-way deal.....

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It was just on ESPNews...

Even though Jim Gray says the deal is done it may not go through because Francis doesn't want to play in Orlando.

So which is it? Is he going or staying?

Good thing Francis is a whiney little girl.

Goooo Steve!

 

[sunsfn]

The suns may have offered Marion and nothing else like they said in one report a week ago.

Maybe they are not as high on McGrady as other teams are?

Houston wants to get rid of Francis in the worst way so they are willing to offer more than the suns.

Francis "IS NOT" a better player than Marion, and he is a cancer on any team with his me - me- me attitude.

Joe, I appreciate your comments on almost everything posted here, but your constant bashing of Marion is just not understandable to me.

Do you not see that he is an all-star?
Do you not see that he is a very good defender?
Do you not see that he is a great sf in the suns fast style of play?
(very few can beat him down court on a fast break)
Do you not see where he has been close to 20-10 most of his career?
Do you not see that he is a great upstanding citizen?
(unlike so many NBA players)
Do you not see that he does not have to be the focal point of a team?
(how many 20-10 guys are there like that)


Now, somebody can put that to music if they like!!!!

 

[Evil Ash]

Happy B-Day EA!

Thank you

I also watched that report, and I believe it's all contingent on if the Rockets and Magic would be able to find another team to form a 3-way deal.....

Then its not exactly a done deal, which they claimed it to be. I'm still confused.

I still think/hope that letting this rumor get out there is the Magic's way of making their price tag go up

 

[slinslin]

The suns may have offered Marion and nothing else like they said in one report a week ago.

Maybe they are not as high on McGrady as other teams are?

If that is true please fire Bryan Colangelo and whoever is assisting him.

If we offered only Marion why did he even make an offer? That obviously wouldn't cut it.

Getting TMac would have been a chance to create a new buzz about this team. No matter what it would cost as long as we keep Amare.

The only alternative would be Kobe and it absolutely doesn't look like that is realistic.

 

[Evil Ash]

Good thing Francis is a whiney little girl.

Goooo Steve!

I have never cheered for a player to whine about where he is going like I am now!

Is ESPN the only one to report this rumor?

 

[Chaplin]

I have never cheered for a player to whine about where he is going like I am now!

Is ESPN the only one to report this rumor?

AP and CBS don't appear to have this confirmed.

 

[devilalum]

BS

They just said that on ESPNEWS.

Francis says he doesn't want to play for Orlando but they say it won't keep the deal from being completed.

Too bad,

I guess he should have played in Houston.

 

[Yuma]

I have never cheered for a player to whine about where he is going like I am now!

Is ESPN the only one to report this rumor?

I've cruised the net and haven't seen it anywhere. I can't even find it on ESPN site, but that was like 20 minutes ago. I can usually ferret out this stuff. I gotta agree Stevie Fanchise is not as good as Marion!

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

AP and CBS don't appear to have this confirmed.

I turned on ESPN news like 15 minutes ago and havent heard a mention of it yet. I would assume this would be the constant topic. When Marbury was traded, it was on the screen like every 3 minutes

 

[Chaplin]

I turned on ESPN news like 15 minutes ago and havent heard a mention of it yet. I would assume this would be the constant topic. When Marbury was traded, it was on the screen like every 3 minutes

I'm guessing their "analysts" made the report, but it definitely isn't officially confirmed, which is why it's not the constant topic on television.

 

[Joe Mama]

Joe, I appreciate your comments on almost everything posted here, but your constant bashing of Marion is just not understandable to me.

you need to figure out the difference between bashing somebody and saying what I think they are worth in a trade. I like Shawn Marion. I think he is a valuable part of the Phoenix Suns team. I just wrote several times the other day and I think he is going to be much better next season if he can just get the consistency back in his jump shot. Go back and read my post for gods sake.


Do you not see that he is an all-star?

Shawn Marion is not an all-star. When you call somebody and all-star it implies that they are a perennial Allstar or at least appearing somewhat regularly in the all-star games. He was an all-star one season, and let's face it. He was probably the last forward in the Western conference to make the team.

Do you not see that he is a very good defender?

Shawn Marion is a good defender against many swingman. He gets a lot of steals. He still needs to learn to be more disciplined defensively, and he's undersized against many of the bigger 3's in today's NBA. Please don't overreact here. I'm not saying he's a bad defender or anything like that. I'm just saying he isn't one of the top defenders in the NBA where great defender overall.

Do you not see that he is a great sf in the suns fast style of play?
(very few can beat him down court on a fast break)

That's great. Do you know how many players there are in the NBA who are very good in the fast break? I suppose Steve Francis is not a good fast break player since that is to whom we are comparing Shawn Marion. I really do like Shawn Marion's open court game. It's great, but having a great half-court game is much more valuable and earns you more money.

Do you not see where he has been close to 20-10 most of his career?

Do you not see that he is a great upstanding citizen?
(unlike so many NBA players) [/i]

That's great. I love it. That does make him more valuable. I still don't think that makes him the type of player you build a franchise around though. Steve Francis is potentially one of those players whether we like him or not. Did you see what he did in the playoffs? As good as Yao Ming is it was clear that Francis was still the best player on that Houston team.

Do you not see that he does not have to be the focal point of a team?
(how many 20-10 guys are there like that)

This is one of the points I am making in my argument about his value versus Steve Francis'. Complementary players generally do not get paid maximum contracts... at least not recently. They are less valuable in a trade than a guy like Steve Francis who is the focal point of a team, plays a more important position, and garners more fan interest and money.

Before you accuse me of picking on Shawn Marion again please realize that there is a difference between bashing him and saying I believe another player is more valuable in a trade. There is a huge difference.

Joe Mama

 

[Evil Ash]

I turned on ESPN news like 15 minutes ago and havent heard a mention of it yet. I would assume this would be the constant topic. When Marbury was traded, it was on the screen like every 3 minutes

It might be because Jim Gray is the only source for this rumor as of now.

My contention is still if it were that far along more people would be reporting it.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Then its not exactly a done deal, which they claimed it to be. I'm still confused.

I still think/hope that letting this rumor get out there is the Magic's way of making their price tag go up

True, ESPN keeps on reiterating that the trade would obviously be rescinded if one of the Magic players included in the deal (who happen to be unprotected) are chosen in the Expansion draft.... Perhaps thats why none of the organizations have made anything official as of yet....

Edit: Also why they're waiting until after the Expansion draft to confirm the details...

 

[slinslin]

LOL

Marc Stein is reporting on ESPNews that he would expect the Lakers to ask the Suns for Amare, Marion and Johnson for Shaq.

Man if we don't get TMac because Colangelo isn't willing to package Marion and JJ and we don't get Kobe (or even Shaq) somehow something is wrong here.