Todd Haley Might Be Coming Back

[Goodyear Card]

Nobody has mentioned Haley's contract with Kansas City. He still has one year left. Is Kansas City still going to pay him while he is working for the Cardinals? I don't think so. If Kansas City releases him from his contract would the Cardinals pay him Head Coach money to make up the difference. Not going to happen.

Todd Haley is going to stay home next year and collect the last year of his contract with Kansas City.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Nobody has mentioned Haley's contract with Kansas City. He still has one year left. Is Kansas City still going to pay him while he is working for the Cardinals? I don't think so. If Kansas City releases him from his contract would the Cardinals pay him Head Coach money to make up the difference. Not going to happen.

Todd Haley is going to stay home next year and collect the last year of his contract with Kansas City.

They come to a prorated agreement. If Cards pay him $1M, for example, it's subtracted from the amount owed by KC.

 

[THESMEL]

Chiefs

I thought the Chiefs fired him? He should get the money regardless of what he does next year?

Nobody has mentioned Haley's contract with Kansas City. He still has one year left. Is Kansas City still going to pay him while he is working for the Cardinals? I don't think so. If Kansas City releases him from his contract would the Cardinals pay him Head Coach money to make up the difference. Not going to happen.

Todd Haley is going to stay home next year and collect the last year of his contract with Kansas City.

 

[ajcardfan]

To get the KC money thesmel, he can't coach anywhere next year. If he takes a job, then KC is off the hook.


Personally, I'm not excited about him returning. The staff was starting to gel with the team, he might do more harm than good at this point. There has been a lot of change on that side of the ball since he was here last time.

 

[red desert]

I would love to see Haley return. I think he would have a significant positive impact on our qb situation.

No question.

Getting Haley back on board is the sort of move that can define a season. He could make this offense powerful right away. "could" no guarantees of course.

 

[football karma]

Coaching contracts are guaranteed. Haley gets his money regardless

Many contracts have what's called a "duty to mitigate" -- it says if you are fired, we will still pay you, but you have to go out and find work and we will make up the difference between what your new job pays and your old job.

New head coaches have a clause like that. Experienced coaches get that one waived. I suspect Whis' first deal had a duty to mitigate, while his new one probably doesn't.

It's why guys like Mike Tice become position coaches after getting fired, and why Bill Cowher takes time off.

 

[Darkside]

Well explained.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

To get the KC money thesmel, he can't coach anywhere next year. If he takes a job, then KC is off the hook.


Personally, I'm not excited about him returning. The staff was starting to gel with the team, he might do more harm than good at this point. There has been a lot of change on that side of the ball since he was here last time.

No they are not. KC is responsible for the difference should he sign for less, which would be the case.

 

[ajcardfan]

No they are not. KC is responsible for the difference should he sign for less, which would be the case.

Ok, thanks to you, and "football karma" for clarifying that.

 

[Monty]

Looks like Haley coming back is happening, as per Jurecki

mikejurecki Mike Jurecki

Hearing Haley deal w/ Cards will be done early part of next week.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Looks like Haley coming back is happening, as per Jurecki

Remember when Haley out-coached Whisenhunt during the Chiefs-Cardinals game last year (particularly with clock management at the end of the first half)? Glad to have you back Todd

 

[Monty]

Remember when Haley out-coached Whisenhunt during the Chiefs-Cardinals game last year (particularly with clock management at the end of the first half)? Glad to have you back Todd

I think it will be good to have a guy like Haley to challenge both Whisenhunt and the players. At times you get the feeling that there are too many yes men around Whisenhunt, something you're unlikely to get with Haley's fiery attitude.

 

[GatorAZ]

Remember when Haley out-coached Whisenhunt during the Chiefs-Cardinals game last year (particularly with clock management at the end of the first half)? Glad to have you back Todd

SMH at that being the reason you want him back.

 

[Duckjake]

I do. His name is Kevin Skelton.

Don't forget Brandon Brown.

 

[Buckybird]

Don't forget Brandon Brown.

no it's Levi Davis.

Dear Michael Bidwill, please retire the great Curtis Greers jersey so we don't ever have to go thru the pitiful play at LT by #75 again!!!

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

SMH at that being the reason you want him back.

No, that is just an illustration of why I want him back.

 

[GatorAZ]

Oh gotcha, just thought it was odd... Haley coming back is meh, I know just his name gets people fired up and excited. I always thought he was an average play caller. Kurt ran the offense mostly. His pre snap reads and execution were second to none. KC was at it's best with Charlie Weis as OC.

 

[Duckjake]

Oh gotcha, just thought it was odd... Haley coming back is meh, I know just his name gets people fired up and excited. I always thought he was an average play caller. Kurt ran the offense mostly. His pre snap reads and execution were second to none. KC was at it's best with Charlie Weis as OC.

The Cards have scored over 400 points in a season only 3 times. Two of those came while Haley was OC. The Cards dropped from 3rd in points scored in 2008 to 11th in 2009 after Haley left. So maybe Haley did have something to do with the success of the offense.

The other 400+ point season was 1984 when Lomax threw for 4600 yards and 28 TDs.

 

[GatorAZ]

The Cards dropped from 3rd in points scored in 2008 to 11th in 2009 after Haley left.

PPG stats aren't everything when determining offensive production. In 08' the Cards scored 6 touchdowns on defense & special teams.

 

[PACardsFan]

Why is there any argument whatsoever regarding Haley. He's a very good OC & it would be a great hire by the Cardinals. It was nice that we finished strong, but the offense down the stretch was still pretty pedestrian. I'm ok if it doesn't happen, but I'm thrilled if it does.

 

[Covert Rain]

I like it. The play calling since Haley left has been unimaginative to say the least.

 

[Duckjake]

PPG stats aren't everything when determining offensive production. In 08' the Cards scored 6 touchdowns on defense & special teams.

The Cards scored 3 in '09.

They also dropped from 4th in '08 to 14th in '09 in total yards. Plus the Cards didn't show up to play 3 times in 2008 scoring only 41 points total. Something they only did once in 2009.

 

[slanidrac16]

The Cards scored 3 in '09.

They also dropped from 4th in '08 to 14th in '09 in total yards. Plus the Cards didn't show up to play 3 times in 2008 scoring only 41 points total. Something they only did once in 2009.

The only thing Haley has to remember is we no longer have Warner ( or a good qb) at the helm. Warner helped a lot of people look good.

 

[football karma]

The only thing Haley has to remember is we no longer have Warner ( or a good qb) at the helm. Warner helped a lot of people look good.

Very true

But Haley got a pretty good year out of Matt Cassel

 

[Dayman]

Why is there any argument whatsoever regarding Haley. He's a very good OC & it would be a great hire by the Cardinals. It was nice that we finished strong, but the offense down the stretch was still pretty pedestrian. I'm ok if it doesn't happen, but I'm thrilled if it does.

Exactly.

It's not like Haley is going to be a downgrade to Miller. Plus, Haley's hiring would likely mean the end of Chris Miller as QB coach, according to Somers, Sando and Jurecki. Win/win.