Tom Brady

[Gee!]

Brady sucks..

 

[DoTheDew]

Brady sucks..

Yea he needs to watch film of Alex Smith, learn how a real QB plays

 

[Gee!]

Yea he needs to watch film of Alex Smith, learn how a real QB plays

Who cares.. He's not our QB.. So... He sucks..

 

[Dr. Jones]

Well, the debate will never end of course but I have to go with Joe Montana as the best of the modern era.

Here's Why:

1. Both are supreme winners, though Montana has 4 rings and 3 MVP's vs. Brady's 3 and 2. This is splitting hairs though.
2. This year Brady had a 117 QB rating. Before that he has never been over 92.6 for a season. Montana however has 3 seasons of over a 100 rating as well as 2 others over 90.
3. The "classic" moments. Montana's are him throwing TD's. Brady's are kickers making clutch FG's.
4. Brady won a Super Bowl MVP with only 145 yards passing and only 1 TD pass against the Rams. Maybe the worst MVP performance ever IMO.
5. Brady's regular season record in 7 seasons 76-36. Montana's in 15 seasons- 117-49

Joe Montana holds the NFL postseason career record for most touchdown passes-45; most yards passing-5,772; most passes attempted-734; and most passes completed-460. ... And he shares the NFL postseason career record for most games with 300 or more yards passing-6.


Montana in Super Bowl XIX vs. Marino - 24 of 35 passes for a then Super Bowl record 331 yards and three touchdowns. He also had 5 rushes for 59 yards and 1 rushing touchdown. His 59 rushing yards were the most rushing yards ever gained by a quarterback in the Super Bowl.

Montana in Super Bowl XXIV vs Elway - He completed 22 of 29 passes for a total of 297 yards and a Super Bowl record 5 touchdowns, while also rushing for 15 yards. Montana's 75.9 completion percentage was the second highest in Super Bowl history, and he also set a record by completing 13 consecutive passes during the game.

Montana in Super Bowl XXIII vs Boomer - 23 of 36 passes for a new Super Bowl record 357 yards, throwing for 2 touchdowns, and gaining 14 rushing yards.

Not only did Montana complete almost 70 percent of his passes in his four Super Bowl victories - out-dueling the likes of Dan Marino, John Elway, and Boomer Esiason in the those title games - but he never threw an interception in 122 attempts.

 

[nashman]

^ What he said, Montana is the best all time! Brady may catch him someday but not yet.

 

[Duckjake]

Who cares.. He's not our QB.. So... He sucks..

 

[TheHopToad]

Well, the debate will never end of course but I have to go with Joe Montana as the best of the modern era.

Here's Why:

1. Both are supreme winners, though Montana has 4 rings and 3 MVP's vs. Brady's 3 and 2. This is splitting hairs though.
2. This year Brady had a 117 QB rating. Before that he has never been over 92.6 for a season. Montana however has 3 seasons of over a 100 rating as well as 2 others over 90.
3. The "classic" moments. Montana's are him throwing TD's. Brady's are kickers making clutch FG's.
4. Brady won a Super Bowl MVP with only 145 yards passing and only 1 TD pass against the Rams. Maybe the worst MVP performance ever IMO.
5. Brady's regular season record in 7 seasons 76-36. Montana's in 15 seasons- 117-49

Joe Montana holds the NFL postseason career record for most touchdown passes-45; most yards passing-5,772; most passes attempted-734; and most passes completed-460. ... And he shares the NFL postseason career record for most games with 300 or more yards passing-6.


Montana in Super Bowl XIX vs. Marino - 24 of 35 passes for a then Super Bowl record 331 yards and three touchdowns. He also had 5 rushes for 59 yards and 1 rushing touchdown. His 59 rushing yards were the most rushing yards ever gained by a quarterback in the Super Bowl.

Montana in Super Bowl XXIV vs Elway - He completed 22 of 29 passes for a total of 297 yards and a Super Bowl record 5 touchdowns, while also rushing for 15 yards. Montana's 75.9 completion percentage was the second highest in Super Bowl history, and he also set a record by completing 13 consecutive passes during the game.

Montana in Super Bowl XXIII vs Boomer - 23 of 36 passes for a new Super Bowl record 357 yards, throwing for 2 touchdowns, and gaining 14 rushing yards.

Not only did Montana complete almost 70 percent of his passes in his four Super Bowl victories - out-dueling the likes of Dan Marino, John Elway, and Boomer Esiason in the those title games - but he never threw an interception in 122 attempts.

^^Come back in 8 years and let's see how they match up when they've played the same number of years. You can't make all of these comparisions when you're basing Montana's career on 15 years and Brady's on 7. I believe Joe "only" had two SB rings by the time he completed his 7th year. Also, three of Montana's 100+ QB rating years were after his 8th year in the league.

Tom Brady is just getting started. And he's had a much better start to his career than Joe Montana did. And I am a HUGE Joe Montana fan.

 

[vinnymac]

People forget to put Johnny Unitas in this dicussion. IMO Unitas & Montana are the best of all time with Brady close behind them.

 

[Gambit]

26 of 28, 3 TDs, 0 Ints. 141 QB rating. In New England in January.

Wow.

I don't know where to rank him among all time QBs but he already has 3 SB rings. Just sick.

I still don't like him, but you can't deny his talent. I tip my hat to him. Earlier I said he was overrated by the media. I was wrong. There isn't any way to overpraise him given his performance this year.

 

[Gambit]

I'm no Pats fan - but your just hating.

No need to have sour grapes. Be happy you are alive to watch greatness live.

and in HD.

I agree about them being the greatest, but I don't have to be happy about it. The whole organization from top to bottom are a-holes.

 

[Billy Flynt]

Tom Brady is no John Navarre.

 

[TheHopToad]

I agree about them being the greatest, but I don't have to be happy about it. The whole organization from top to bottom are a-holes.

A classic example of "nice guys finish last". Belichick isn't there to be their buddies. His job is to motivate and lead them to victory. He's like a military drill instructor....he may intimidate and humiliate you, but when it's over you will appreciate the good he did and how he changed you for the better. And he doesn't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks of his tactics.

 

[Gambit]

A classic example of "nice guys finish last". Belichick isn't there to be their buddies. His job is to motivate and lead them to victory. He's like a military drill instructor....he may intimidate and humiliate you, but when it's over you will appreciate the good he did and how he changed you for the better. And he doesn't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks of his tactics.

that doesn't change the fact that Brady is a Grade-A DB

 

[40yearfan]

that doesn't change the fact that Brady is a Grade-A DB

Defensive Back? I thought he was a QB.

 

[Dr. Jones]

^^Come back in 8 years and let's see how they match up when they've played the same number of years. You can't make all of these comparisions when you're basing Montana's career on 15 years and Brady's on 7. I believe Joe "only" had two SB rings by the time he completed his 7th year. Also, three of Montana's 100+ QB rating years were after his 8th year in the league.

Tom Brady is just getting started. And he's had a much better start to his career than Joe Montana did. And I am a HUGE Joe Montana fan.

Agreed. And you actually helped my argument. Can he keep it up for another 8? We'll see. My guess is no.

 

[Stout]

Tom Brady is no John Navarre.

He's no John Navarro either

 

[TheHopToad]

Agreed. And you actually helped my argument. Can he keep it up for another 8? We'll see. My guess is no.

It may not matter. If the Patriots win the Superbowl this year, Brady will have accomplished in 7 years what Montana did in 15: win four rings. None of the other individual accolades or statistics matter, and both Brady and Montana would be the first to concede that.

If you take championships out of the equation and judge on pure skill and ability, John Elway is the best QB I have ever seen, but his teams didn't have the rest of the pieces to rack up more than the two rings he got in the late 90's.

 

[slanidrac16]

A player certainly benefits by the system the are in.

However, I can't take away a thing from Brady. He does it all. He's smart. He wins in the regular season, playoffs and has won Super Bowls. Add that to the fact that the Patriots seem to be in a position to win for the next few years.
When all is said and done there will be no more debates about it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

But, the rest of this debate is bordering on shear stupidity...

Bingo.

 

[blindseyed]

I hate the Pats BUT they are a good example of what a great OWNER and FO are supposed to be. That's where it starts and they've made a killer blueprint to follow, unfortuantely we have a GM that can't read blueprints

 

[john h]

26 of 28, 3 TDs, 0 Ints. 141 QB rating. In New England in January.

Wow.

He has to sure rank very very high but will it do it over a decade like Favre, Unitas or some of the other greats who were great for years and years. I would guess he can but will he is yet to be answered.

 

[Gizmo Williams]

Agreed. And you actually helped my argument. Can he keep it up for another 8? We'll see. My guess is no.

What would the guy have to do to impress some of you...kick the game winning field goal in a Super Bowl? Break the single season sack record?

My guess is that he will be able to keep it up for the next 8 or so years. He is only 30 and is most likely just entering the peak of his career. And there is no reason to think he is going to slump....it is not like the Pats are a one and done team.

While he does benefit from the OL of the Pats protecting him...but there are other reasons he does not take a lot of sacks. His ability to move in the pocket and avoid pressure is uncanny. And he reads the routes quickly, makes the right decisions and delivers the ball to the right spot.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Who cares.. He's not our QB.. So... He sucks..

And even then.....

 

[Treesquid PhD]

There is 100% chance Brady will be much more appreciated once he is retired. It's pretty amazing to be a legend in your own time and not quite as hard when you are nothing more than stats, highlights and memories.

 

[Southpaw]

What would the guy have to do to impress some of you...kick the game winning field goal in a Super Bowl? Break the single season sack record?

My guess is that he will be able to keep it up for the next 8 or so years. He is only 30 and is most likely just entering the peak of his career. And there is no reason to think he is going to slump....it is not like the Pats are a one and done team.

While he does benefit from the OL of the Pats protecting him...but there are other reasons he does not take a lot of sacks. His ability to move in the pocket and avoid pressure is uncanny. And he reads the routes quickly, makes the right decisions and delivers the ball to the right spot.

His pocket awareness and the use of it may be the best in the game.

Not bad for a 6th round Michigan backup QB.