Too hell with it all!

[CaptTurbo]

To hell with it all!

I couldnt care less if Greedo shoots first, last, or jams his gun. Anyone with me?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Greedo

and...

NO !!!

 

[CQ]

I couldnt care less if Greddo shoots first, last, or jams his gun. Anyone with me?

(don't shoot me BIM) I agree with you swd! I guess I'm too young to have the conviction that some hard core Star Wars peeps have, because I just watch and enjoy.

 

[Chaz]

I understand Brian's (and others) objections and while I am a Star Wars fan these movies don't belong to me or any group of fans.

These movies are George's and he can do what he wants to with them. I may not like it but I always have the choice not to buy them.

I think we are still better off with an altered or "flawed" trilogy than no trilogy at all.

I can still watch my original VHS trilogy even though it is not widescreen.

 

[Gee!]

I dont even know who greedo is.. when I saw this topic, I thought this was a suicide letter.

 

[CQ]

I understand Brian's (and others) objections and while I am a Star Wars fan these movies don't belong to me or any group of fans.

These movies are George's and he can do what he wants to with them. I may not like it but I always have the choice not to buy them.

I think we are still better off with an altered or "flawed" trilogy than no trilogy at all.

I can still watch my original VHS trilogy even though it is not widescreen.

Perfectly said!!!!!!! My hubby and I were just talking about this yesterday and how every aspect of Star Wars is George's "baby". He dreamt it all up, he has the right to do what he likes with it, whether we like it or not.

 

[Pariah]

I've been reading a book about Jack Kirby, the creator of the Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, Captain America and many others (along with Stan Lee...but that's for another post). Anyway, there are some very striking similarities between Kirby's "The Fourth World" and Lucas' Star Wars. Keep in mind, Kirby wrote and illustrated Fourth World comics before Lucas wrote Star Wars.

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Jack Kirby


Off the top of my head, here's the similarities I can remember:
~Kirby had a version of The Force called The Source
~Orion, a hero, is the son of Darksied (pronounced "Dark Side"), the ultimate villian, but raised on another planet unaware of who his father is.
~Darkesied lives on Acropolys, which bears an uncanny resembelence to the Deathstar.
...there may have been more, but I can't remember them. If I get a bug up my butt, I might look it up and re-type the page here.

And, while Doom doesn't have anything to do with "The Fourth World," I leave you with this:
"When I first saw Darth Vader, I thought, 'Oh, it's Doctor Doom!'"
--Mark (Luke Skywalker) Hamill

PS--I didn't post this just to hack off the Star Wars geeks, or to deny Lucas his rights as a creator, but rather to shine a light on an equally important pop-culture creator, Jack "The King" Kirby.

 

[Ryanwb]

There was this movie that had a ton of simularities with Star Wars too.... it was called "Space Balls" or something like it... Here are a few oddities off the top of my head

- Had a force like power, but it was called "The Schwartz"
- Had a Yoda like figure, but his name was "Yogurt"
- Darth Vader like Character, but his name was "Dark Helmet"

This movie was striking in its simularities to Star Wars, I wonder if Lucas stole some ideas???

 

[HeavyB3]

Nitpickers. Its nitpickers that can't enjoy something because somethign small in the TV show or movie just doesn't match up with how they think it should have been.

I like the new Star Wars Movies.

I like Star Trek Enterprise. (Not as good as Deep Space 9, the best show ever but eh)

:completenerd:

 

[Pariah]

There was this movie that had a ton of simularities with Star Wars too.... it was called "Space Balls" or something like it... Here are a few oddities off the top of my head

- Had a force like power, but it was called "The Schwartz"
- Had a Yoda like figure, but his name was "Yogurt"
- Darth Vader like Character, but his name was "Dark Helmet"

This movie was striking in its simularities to Star Wars, I wonder if Lucas stole some ideas???

Don't taunt me, Ryan. My mother taunted me once. Once.

 

[azdad1978]

I like Star Trek Enterprise. (Not as good as Deep Space 9, the best show ever but eh)

:completenerd:

eh I like TNG or Vovager.

 

[Chaz]

eh I like TNG or Vovager.

I like any of them better than DS9.

TNG is the best and so far I like Enterprise.

:startrekgeek:

 

[azdad1978]

I like any of them better than DS9.

TNG is the best and so far I like Enterprise.

:startrekgeek:

T'pol is hot!!! :startrekgeek2:

 

[Pariah]

This thread is like a geek convention. Star Wars, Comic Books and Star Trek. Oh, man you guys are nerds. Nerds! NERDS!


oh, wait...Sorry.

 

[arthurracoon]

I hate the new Star Trek's


I like "The Next Generation". Is it on TV anymore?

 

[CaptTurbo]

My thread has benn hijacked.

 

[Pariah]

My thread has benn hijacked.

Make it so.

 

[vince56]

Don't taunt me, Ryan. My mother taunted me once. Once.

Johnny Dangerously rules.

 

[Assface]

Johnny Dangerously rules.

That's one of my all time favorite movies.

 

[nathan]

I like Star Trek Enterprise. (Not as good as Deep Space 9, the best show ever but eh)

1. DS9
2. TNG
3. Voyager
4. Enterprise

 

[HeavyB3]

1. DS9
2. TNG
3. Voyager
4. Enterprise

I hated voyager.

 

[nathan]

I like "The Next Generation". Is it on TV anymore?

I think it was on Spike. I don't have cable so I don't know if it still is. If you have a fast connection you could always download them.

 

[nathan]

I hated voyager.

I didn't start watching until the Borg came and then I thought it was good. Since the show ended, I've seen S1-3 and it is better then I remember.

 

[Djaughe]

I hated voyager.

How can you not like 7 of 9?!

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[Pariah]

I've been reading a book about Jack Kirby, the creator of the Fantastic Four, X-Men, Avengers, Captain America and many others (along with Stan Lee...but that's for another post). Anyway, there are some very striking similarities between Kirby's "The Fourth World" and Lucas' Star Wars. Keep in mind, Kirby wrote and illustrated Fourth World comics before Lucas wrote Star Wars.

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Jack Kirby


Off the top of my head, here's the similarities I can remember:
~Kirby had a version of The Force called The Source
~Orion, a hero, is the son of Darksied (pronounced "Dark Side"), the ultimate villian, but raised on another planet unaware of who his father is.
~Darkesied lives on Acropolys, which bears an uncanny resembelence to the Deathstar.
...there may have been more, but I can't remember them. If I get a bug up my butt, I might look it up and re-type the page here.

And, while Doom doesn't have anything to do with "The Fourth World," I leave you with this:
"When I first saw Darth Vader, I thought, 'Oh, it's Doctor Doom!'"
--Mark (Luke Skywalker) Hamill

PS--I didn't post this just to hack off the Star Wars geeks, or to deny Lucas his rights as a creator, but rather to shine a light on an equally important pop-culture creator, Jack "The King" Kirby.

Okay, here are the other striking similarities:

~The main character's name in the New Gods "The Forever People" name is Mark Moonrider, (a parallel with Skywalker)
~They have weapons called Mega-Rods that are almost just like lightsabers
~There's a scene in a New Gods comic where Mister Miracle and his sidekick fall into an enclosed pit, where Mister Miracle is pushing on the walls while mud rises and his sidekick screams, "Scott! Do something! Before this mud covers us!" It looks identical to the garbage pit scene in Star Wars.

Here's a paragraph from the book, "Tales to Astonish" by Ronin Ro (where I'm getting all this from):

The more [jack Kirby] considered Star Wars, friend Mike Thibodeaux explained, the more he noticed the connections. "Oh, constantly," Thibodeaux said. "I don't know if we should get into this. Jack didn't want any money or anything from Lucas, but he wished that Lucas had at least admitted where he got most of those ideas. I remember him saying one time, 'just admit.' He even signed something to say he wouldn't go for financial gain."

Interesting stuff. Sure, Campbell's "Hero with a Thousand Faces" may have given Lucas a very general blueprint, but it seems that a lot of more specific ideas may have actually come from Jack Kirby.