Trade back ideas/targets

[bennyperrin23]

Or Howard and their second to move up to 8 and we give them reddick.

 

[bennyperrin23]

Howard for reddick straight up

 

[Rohinaz]

I just see hes PP21 is a free agent next season with all these new additions I could see Cards taking Okudah do be his replacement

I would franchise peterson next year or get another one term deal. Hes still in his prime. Murphy has a lot of skills but o think he gave up more TDs that any cb in the nfl last year. We have alford under contract for 2 more years and he would likely start even if we drafted okudah.

We have a 3to4 year window to stack position players. Peterson prob has 3 to4 more prime years. You keep him even if you draft okudah.

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[Rohinaz]

Howard for reddick straight up

That would be solid.

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[HGC]

Howard is worth a 5th maybe a 4th. If the Cardinals move back 6 spots in the first round they should be getting a 2nd in return. No thanks to Howard and a 3rd.

 

[AZman5103]

No for two reasons. One , we may be in the hunt this year and we will be glad we have him . Or two, we are not in the thick of things and we can then trade him at the trade deadline. The only risks you take is he could get hurt or he sucks.

Or we wait to trade him at the deadline and get a 3rd round pick? Plus if we are not in the thick of things he can/will complain in the media like he has the last 2 seasons and we lose leverage.

I'm all for keeping him, but IMO he needs to have given a clear indication by this point if he is interested in resigning or not. If he has said he is going to hit the FA market next year then we should trade him. We might be able to get pick #25 from the Vikings as a best case scenario

 

[bennyperrin23]

@fartblossom have you looked at trade charts? Even without Howard a trade back to 14 doesn’t net a 2nd. We would have to give them our 3rd and probably our late fourth for that to happen with Howard.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I would franchise peterson next year or get another one term deal. Hes still in his prime. Murphy has a lot of skills but o think he gave up more TDs that any cb in the nfl last year. We have alford under contract for 2 more years and he would likely start even if we drafted okudah.

We have a 3to4 year window to stack position players. Peterson prob has 3 to4 more prime years. You keep him even if you draft okudah.

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Just wondering Drake, Hopkins, Murray, who else will need a new deal soon, I could see them letting him walk. I love PP21 want him to stay

 

[slanidrac16]

Howard is worth a 5th maybe a 4th. If the Cardinals move back 6 spots in the first round they should be getting a 2nd in return. No thanks to Howard and a 3rd.

How Can third string te be worth a 3rd. I’d offer them a 7 th or they can keep him.

 

[bennyperrin23]

Your missing the point, look at the trade charts and points.

 

[HGC]

@fartblossom have you looked at trade charts? Even without Howard a trade back to 14 doesn’t net a 2nd. We would have to give them our 3rd and probably our late fourth for that to happen with Howard.

Jimmy Johnson’s trade charts? I don’t care what those charts say and they’ve never been written in stone. Howard has been an average player since he’s been drafted. I do believe a different system and change of scenery could be beneficial but I certainly wouldn’t be in favor of paying high for that. Moving out of the top 10 into the mid teens in the first round is a sizable drop and it’s worth more than a 3rd and OJ Howard imo

 

[bennyperrin23]

I hear ya, but the same type of players will be there at 14 that is there at 8 unless something crazy happens.

 

[bennyperrin23]

There are always a couple shockers that most mocks don’t see in the top 10 and players fall.

 

[bennyperrin23]

So at 14 you might get the same player you had at 8. After pick 23 then the blue chippers are gone. That’s as far back as I think they should trade back. Also kiem has a history of loving senior bowl high performers and small school guys. Bechton has keim written all over being at the top. Don’t agree just worth noting.

 

[HGC]

How Can third string te be worth a 3rd. I’d offer them a 7 th or they can keep him.

A third for Howard? Hell no. A 3rd and Howard to move back to Tampa’s spot is what we were talking about and it’s not enough imo. A stud is going to be there at 8.

 

[bennyperrin23]

Howard was drafted at 17 and was a stud, Tampa hasn’t used him very good. Trade 8 and get Howard and a third and maybe they will through in next years 3rd. That’s it. Howard is way better in our offense than Tampa’s. Period end of story.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Reddick and Howard are roughly the same in value.

Both are worth probably a 5th, maybe a 4th.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

So at 14 you might get the same player you had at 8. After pick 23 then the blue chippers are gone. That’s as far back as I think they should trade back. Also kiem has a history of loving senior bowl high performers and small school guys. Bechton has keim written all over being at the top. Don’t agree just worth noting.

I actually did a little research on this: there were more collective pro bowlers between 18 + 26, and also more HoF level players, then there were at 8.

Ray Lewis, Clay Matthews, and Alan Faneca went 26th.

Maurkice Pouncey, Marcus Peters, and Ryan Kelly went 18th.

Also, the draft order of players currently in the HoF (drafted since 1990) is:

3/5/7/192/undrafted
33/59
8/10/40/74
2/33/36/46/undrafted
12/23/28/74/196
4/19/26/61/89
1/6/13/73
21
4/7
9
5/17
24
16

38 super blue chip guys, and only 13 were top10 picks.

22 of them after pick 23

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

ALWAYS
TRADE
DOWN

unless there is a no doubt superstar (Young) or a great QB prospect

 

[Stout]

For what its worth, Gambo has said this week that he doesn't see PP21 coming back next year. I have been saying this for a while now. If Okudah makes it to #8 or we trade back a little and really like CJ Henderson, then you take them and move PP21 for the best return you can get. I see no point in letting PP21 play the year and walk for nothing. At the very very least we should be able to get a 2nd, and if there is a player we like there then ok. Roll with Alford, Murphy, a Rookie, and maybe a late signing at FA for this year.

You don't improve your defense by trading PP21 and rolling with Alford, Murphy, and a prayer. You just don't. If we were in re-build mode, which I thought we would be, then sure. We're not quite in win now mode, but we are in a place where we should be bolstering a bad defense, not shedding talent from it.

ALWAYS
TRADE
DOWN

unless there is a no doubt superstar (Young) or a great QB prospect

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

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[Rohinaz]

Just wondering Drake, Hopkins, Murray, who else will need a new deal soon, I could see them letting him walk. I love PP21 want him to stay

If drake has a good year, he might not want really big money. I think we will draft a rb as an insurance this year. Plus i dont think keim has the appetite for another 10m plus per year rb. Harder to find shutdown cb than RBs. We still have 3 to 4 year before Murray's contract. That why you load up on position talent and make a run.

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[AZman5103]

You don't improve your defense by trading PP21 and rolling with Alford, Murphy, and a prayer. You just don't. If we were in re-build mode, which I thought we would be, then sure. We're not quite in win now mode, but we are in a place where we should be bolstering a bad defense, not shedding talent from it.



That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

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No, but I think you are kind of missing my point. I'm trading him if he tells, or already tells Keim he is not resigning here and wants to hit free agency. At that point he is a one year rental, and those don't make sense unless you are a super bowl contender,vwhich I don't think we are. If you can still get a 1st round pick in a deep draft, you do it with a look towards the future. If we land Okudah at 8, then we can still land an impact player with the acquired pick. If we don't land Okudah, then next year we are in the market for a FA CB either way...except with one less cheap, talented player from the trade.

Again...only if he says he has no interest in resigning...then I think 5 years of a talented rookie is worth more to this team than 1 year of PP21

 

[HGC]

No, but I think you are kind of missing my point. I'm trading him if he tells, or already tells Keim he is not resigning here and wants to hit free agency. At that point he is a one year rental, and those don't make sense unless you are a super bowl contender,vwhich I don't think we are. If you can still get a 1st round pick in a deep draft, you do it with a look towards the future. If we land Okudah at 8, then we can still land an impact player with the acquired pick. If we don't land Okudah, then next year we are in the market for a FA CB either way...except with one less cheap, talented player from the trade.

Again...only if he says he has no interest in resigning...then I think 5 years of a talented rookie is worth more to this team than 1 year of PP21

Good luck getting a first round pick for a 30 year old corner who’s heading into a contract year.

 

[AZman5103]

Good luck getting a first round pick for a 30 year old corner who’s heading into a contract year.

I bet we could get one of Minnys picks, maybe Jville, maybe KC?

 

[PACardsFan]

So at 14 you might get the same player you had at 8. After pick 23 then the blue chippers are gone. That’s as far back as I think they should trade back. Also kiem has a history of loving senior bowl high performers and small school guys. Bechton has keim written all over being at the top. Don’t agree just worth noting.

Maybe, but there's no way I want the Niners to be picking before us.