Trade Dudley for the 2 Boston picks?

[sunsfan88]

Got this from a different forum...makes sense imo

I'd approach a Dudley trade first. Honestly, i could see us getting both picks from the Celtics for him. Look, no matter what anyone else says, they are keeping Rondo. He is an awesome PG on an awesome contract. Pierce will be staying as well. He's been a Celtic for far too long. I read that Boston had plenty of good offers for Pierce before the trade deadline and Boston turned everyone away.

Garnett will end up re-signing on a cheap deal. He might get a better offer from another team, but i dont see him walking away from what they have going up in Boston. Ray-Ray is gone. Instead of completely rebuilding, i think they might try to extend their window and "retool".

Dudley is that Boston type of player. He's a hustle guy that wont wow you with what he does, but does what it takes to get the job done. He fills a need that they have at SG/SF. If they need him to start, he can. If they decide that Bradley is their 2 guard, Dudley can be that 6th man. If Pierce needs a break, Dudley can step in and play back-up minutes for him as well. He also has a good following from his years spent at local Boston College.

A player like Dudley is exactly what the Boston Celtics will need and look for next year. Dudleys on a great contract, but i dont see him as starting Phoenix Suns material. He is the type of player that you add to an established team, not one thats rebuilding. Dudley for the #21 & #22. A good player on a great contract for 2 late 1st round rookies that probably wont get much run at all on a contending Celtic team.

Trade Dudley first. That gives you 3 1st round picks. It also allows you to search for better trade offers from teams after the draft for Gortat. It opens up the ability to get players via S&T and also would help us get a future 2013 pick (or 2).

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Would you trade the fan favorite Jared Dudley for both Boston 1st rd picks if it was offered?

 

[Phrazbit]

Yes, in a heartbeat. But I doubt Boston considers it, Boston needs youth in a bad way. They have 2 shots in a deep draft to pick up some talent. I do think Dudley could fetch us a nice piece in a trade, but I dont think Boston is the fit. Dudley is more of a natural SF than a guard, they have Jeff Green due back next year, I agree that they will keep Pierce. I think they need another speedy guard to run the break with Rondo and/or someone else who can handle the ball, maybe a combo guard, so teams cant throw traps at them so easily, and Dudley does not fit either of those needs.

 

[slinslin]

Dudley is worth more than 2 late first round pick. Dudley is the same caliber player as Shane Battier was when he was traded for Rudy Gay on draft night and Dudley has an awesome contract. I would never consider trading Dudley for a draft pick straight up unless it is in the #5-10 range.

I don't understand the fascination people have with those picks in the 20s. If we want a pick like that we surely could have dealt Lopez or Hill for one and now can still buy one on draft night as there is almost always a team willing to get out of the end of the first round cheap.

 

[Joe Mama]

Dudley is worth more than 2 late first round pick. Dudley is the same caliber player as Shane Battier was when he was traded for Rudy Gay on draft night and Dudley has an awesome contract. I would never consider trading Dudley for a draft pick straight up unless it is in the #5-10 range.

I don't understand the fascination people have with those picks in the 20s. If we want a pick like that we surely could have dealt Lopez or Hill for one and now can still buy one on draft night as there is almost always a team willing to get out of the end of the first round cheap.

this is what I was talking about in another thread. I wouldn't want to give up Dudley for a couple picks in the 20s, but I don't think there's a chance in hell any team would give us a #5-10 draft pick for Jerrod Dudley straight up. First of all, any GM would know that he would have his fans and the media calling for his head. Remember that Shane battier was still a pretty big name and was viewed as a defensive specialist.

Joe

 

[Neo]

I don't understand the fascination people have with those picks in the 20s.

I wholeheartedly agree. It is like trading Dudley for Casey Jacobsen and Tsakalidis. Sure, there are occasional great players drafted in the 20s, but most are mediocre role players who last a few years in the league.

 

[sunsfan88]

I wholeheartedly agree. It is like trading Dudley for Casey Jacobsen and Tsakalidis. Sure, there are occasional great players drafted in the 20s, but most are mediocre role players who last a few years in the league.

It depends on the draft. For example, I wouldn't trade anything worth of value for a late 1st rd pick in last year's draft. Hell, I would hold on to a 2nd rd pick in this year's draft over getting a 1st in last year's.

But this year's draft is very deep...some even deem it to be the deepest in the history. While that may be going over board, rebuilding through this draft seems like a smart way to go. And for that we need as many picks as possible.

 

[slinslin]

this is what I was talking about in another thread. I wouldn't want to give up Dudley for a couple picks in the 20s, but I don't think there's a chance in hell any team would give us a #5-10 draft pick for Jerrod Dudley straight up. First of all, any GM would know that he would have his fans and the media calling for his head. Remember that Shane battier was still a pretty big name and was viewed as a defensive specialist.

Joe

I think Jared Dudley is a better player than Shane Battier was at that point and he has one of the best value contracts in the entire league with the exception of some rookie deals.

And I think GMs do not make trades based on reputation but on analysis and facts

 

[HooverDam]

If you're the Suns you should do that deal in a heart beat. Sure those picks in the 20s could be flames out, but sometimes they're not. Ask Sam Presti about those kinds of picks, I'll bet he's happy with I aka. Plus like has been mentioned those kinds of picks can be packaged with other things to help you improve. I like Dudley a lot, he would be a perfect fit on a team like the Suns were in the Nash/Am are/Dantoni glory days but now its rebuilding time which means its asset acquiring time.

 

[devilalum]

If the Suns get really lucky out one of those picks might be Jared Dudley in 5 years.

 

[devilalum]

Michael Finley is the only good player I can think of that the Suns ever drafted in the 20s.

 

[slinslin]

If you're the Suns you should do that deal in a heart beat. Sure those picks in the 20s could be flames out, but sometimes they're not. Ask Sam Presti about those kinds of picks, I'll bet he's happy with I aka. Plus like has been mentioned those kinds of picks can be packaged with other things to help you improve. I like Dudley a lot, he would be a perfect fit on a team like the Suns were in the Nash/Am are/Dantoni glory days but now its rebuilding time which means its asset acquiring time.

#20+ picks are not assets.

Jared Dudley is young enough to be part of a rebuilding process plus he is a great guy to have on a team with young guys coming in.

Jared Dudley is our player with the 2nd most trade value and the least likely player we would trade right now imo.

Any team in the NBA would like to have Jared Dudley right now especially with his contract. He is the definition of a good role player. He can absolutely be a valueable player for a championship team imo and a very good team building piece. There is just no way you trade that for 2 picks who have maybe a value of $6.000.000 cash.

No way we trad Jared unless Sacramento or Toronto offered #5 or #8 for him. #5 we would almost certainly have to do and #8 we would probably do but think about it.

 

[HooverDam]

If you think anyone is giving Phx a top 10 pick for Dudley then I think you're a bit crazy. Picks in the 20s are absolutely assests, sure most of those players do not work out, but if you keep stock piling picks, especially in deep drafts, you increase your odds of hitting on a Rondo or Ibaka, etc.

Dudley being the #1 or 2 option for the Suns as they struggle to reach 25 wins doesn't sound like an ideal situation for him or the Suns to me.

 

[slinslin]

Dudley won't be traded for those picks there is just no way.

Who knows what teams would give up for him.

Teams have traded #5 picks for Shane Battier(Battier was not better than Dudley) and Antawn Jamison (when he was bench player)

Phoenix will never trade Dudley for those picks. If they want a crapshoot late first rounder they will pay someone 3M$ but not give up one of the best role players in the entire league on one of the best contracts in the entire league.

And Dudley being the #1 or #2 option for the Suns while they tank for a #1 pick does not sound too bad for the Suns because Dudley can be part of the entire rebuilding process and be a good influence for the young kids we need to bring in.

Jared Dudley is the least likely player to be traded on our entire roster right now.

 

[HooverDam]

I remember once being told that Jeff Hornacek was the least likely Sun to be traded and that his name was already on a locker....

Look I love this idea of the Suns being able to rebuild super quick and Dudley ends up being the wiley vet on a young up and comer, but we know what they say about the best laid plans of mice and men. I think the Suns are going to be bad/mediocre for a while here, longer than Dudley is likely to tolerate.

I'm also not saying I'm against the Suns trying to get a lottery pick for him, I just think its unlikely. When you're picking in the top 10 you're hoping to get a future all star, Dudley's ceiling is a real good 6th man. Most teams with high picks are more likely interested in the risk and boom potential of a high pick than an above average sure thing like Dudley.

 

[sunsfan88]

If you know the way Robert Sarver thinks, you know that he would rather trade someone to get a 1st rd pick than have to pay $3 million directly to get it.

Picks in the 20s aren't that bad...guess where Dudley was selected? Yup your right, in the 20s. And Shane Battier was a LOCK DOWN defender, Dudley is not there yet.

And slinslin, I think its hilarious that you think its not good to rebuild with Gortat who is just one year older than JD, the guy who you supposedly think is great to rebuild with.

SMH...

 

[Chaplin]

If you think anyone is giving Phx a top 10 pick for Dudley then I think you're a bit crazy. Picks in the 20s are absolutely assests, sure most of those players do not work out, but if you keep stock piling picks, especially in deep drafts, you increase your odds of hitting on a Rondo or Ibaka, etc.

Dudley being the #1 or 2 option for the Suns as they struggle to reach 25 wins doesn't sound like an ideal situation for him or the Suns to me.

Unfortunately, you don't play those type of odds where millions are at stake. These aren't penny slots.

 

[Mainstreet]

Unfortunately, you don't play those type of odds where millions are at stake. These aren't penny slots.

Penny slot machines are not what they used to be.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dudley won't be traded for those picks there is just no way.

Who knows what teams would give up for him.

Teams have traded #5 picks for Shane Battier(Battier was not better than Dudley) and Antawn Jamison (when he was bench player)

you mean, when he was a sixth man of the year candidate averaging 15 ppg coming off the bench for a loaded dallas team and had already shown the ability to be a consistent 20 ppg scorer previous to that year?

come on... comparing dudley's worth right now to Jamison's worth then is incredibly stupid... or par for the course for you.

 

[HooverDam]

Unfortunately, you don't play those type of odds where millions are at stake. These aren't penny slots.

What millions are at stake exactly? The Suns fan base isn't stupid,this years eroding attendance showed that. Attendance and profits for the Suns is going to be down the next few years for the Suns whether they totally blow it up or suffer through another few years of mediocrity like we had at the turn of the century.

If they're smart (we have no evidence of this) they follow the Seattle/Okc model of a long term rebuild through the draft. It requires getting some lottery luck, but look at most NBA championship teams, they're lead by high draft picks.

I, and most intelligent Suns fans,would be far more likely to watch a totally new young team, with a front office that's acquiring flexibility over a team of mediocre vets trying desperately for the privilige of a #1 seed to beat their brains in.

 

[SunsTzu]

I don't think Dudley could get the #5 pick either, I also don't feel this is the right draft to try to move up in. Picking up mid-late first round and early 2nd rounders by absorbing contracts with 1-2 years left would be my goal this year.

 

[mojorizen7]

I, and most intelligent Suns fans,would be far more likely to watch a totally new young team, with a front office that's acquiring flexibility over a team of mediocre vets trying desperately for the privilige of a #1 seed to beat their brains in.

+1
Unfortunately this approach to reclaim legitimacy is overdue by at least 2 seasons(3 years IMO) which has only created a deeper hole to climb out of at this point.

 

[Joe Mama]

you mean, when he was a sixth man of the year candidate averaging 15 ppg coming off the bench for a loaded dallas team and had already shown the ability to be a consistent 20 ppg scorer previous to that year?

come on... comparing dudley's worth right now to Jamison's worth then is incredibly stupid... or par for the course for you.

I don't know what the rest of that trade was like, but Jamison also had a big, nasty contract. Were there any other parts to the Shane Battier deal?

I agree with Slin that we should keep Dudley unless somebody gives us something that's just too good to pass up. He's a good role player with a really nice contract. He seems like the kind of guy you would want rookies and other young players around. I'm all for acquiring some late draft picks, but this is not the way I would prefer to do it.

Joe

 

[Chaplin]

I, and most intelligent Suns fans,would be far more likely to watch a totally new young team, with a front office that's acquiring flexibility over a team of mediocre vets trying desperately for the privilige of a #1 seed to beat their brains in.

And when has that ever happened in the history of professional sports? You hate the team as constructed, we get it, but try to hold on to a little realism when discussing what should be done.

Dudley for two #20-something picks isn't a good deal at all. In today's NBA, the odds are that we'd get two Alondo Tuckers, not two Jeff Hornaceks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And when has that ever happened in the history of professional sports? You hate the team as constructed, we get it, but try to hold on to a little realism when discussing what should be done.

huh? lots of teams have decided to scrap trying to become a perrenial 8 seed who will get their brains bashed in by the number 1 seed and rebuild through the draft. Hell, Colangelo used to do it all it the time when he realized the Barkley era was over and when he realized the Kidd teams weren't going to do anything.

 

[Superbone]

Dudley for two #20-something picks isn't a good deal at all. In today's NBA, the odds are that we'd get two Alondo Tuckers, not two Jeff Hornaceks.

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