Trade Proposal

[Walter Mitchell]

The Cardinals send G/T Leonard Davis and the #3 pick to the Chargers for G Toniu Fonoti, CB Quentin Jammer and the #1 pick.

Why the Chargers would make the trade: They don't want to select a QB at #1 and by trading to #3, they can snag arguably a perennial Pro Bowler in Davis and draft T Robert Gallery...and suddenly LaDanian Tomlinson is a potential 2,000 yard back in 2004. Fonoti becomes expendable with Davis in the fold...and Quentin Jammer can be offered to seal the deal because the Chargers are super high on last year's two rookie CBs, Sammy Davis and Drayton Florence.

Why the Cardinals would make the trade: They hate to give up Davis, but Fonoti is one of the more talented young guards in the league, Jammer has a tremendous upside and would start at RCB...and, best of all, say hello to WR Larry Fitzgerald...the player Dennis Green wants more than any other in this draft....and rightfully so...Fitzgerald is a special talent.

Hello Larry Fitzgerald!

 

[Pariah]

Next!

 

[CardNots]

Good job Walter, I'm with ya! Love the trade proposal, get Dennis on the phone ASAP...

 

[football karma]

Why would San Diego give two players when they are moving down?

From SD's perspective, is Davis /Gallery so very much better than Fonoti / Gallery that they are willing to part with a top 5 pick (Jammer) from two years ago? I doubt it.

Interestingly, the SD board has mulled over the #3 plus Davis for the #1 and doesnt consider it enough. Funny how that works.

 

[JeffGollin]

Despite Leonard's fall off in production last year, I still consider him one of the "planet people" that you simply cannot clone.

I don't know that much about Fonoti (is he decent enough to start for us?), but feel that, if our offensive line is to live up to everyone's vision as being a dominant pounding force, Leonard Davis would be the linchpin. To lose Leonard would be to weaken the O-line and hamper its development.

Regarding Jammer - If he is supposed to be the answer for one of our corner positions, how good is he really? For a guy drafted that high, how did he get beaten out by Florence and Sammy Davis (non Jr.)?

I realize we'd be presumably be filling holes at corner and guard while adding a top receiver, but there's the danger here of trying to dig our way out of a hole only to have it backfill behind us. All we'd wind up doing would be shifting our problems around from position to position - plugging one hole but creating another one and never developing anything consistent over time.

Intriguing proposition (as always) Walter. But in terms of adding talent this year, I'd personally rather we place quality over quantity.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by en fuego
Why would San Diego give two players when they are moving down?

From SD's perspective, is Davis /Gallery so very much better than Fonoti / Gallery that they are willing to part with a top 5 pick (Jammer) from two years ago? I doubt it.

Interestingly, the SD board has mulled over the #3 plus Davis for the #1 and doesnt consider it enough. Funny how that works.

And that is because it isn't enough. The Cards would have to throw in at least a 3rd rounder to make it happen...AT LEAST a 3rd rounder, maybe more. JMHO.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
The Cardinals send G/T Leonard Davis and the #3 pick to the Chargers for G Toniu Fonoti, CB Quentin Jammer and the #1 pick.

Here's what I don't like about it...

1. We lose Davis. Yes, he's underachieved thus far, but he's still very young. Let's see what the new staff can do with him.

2. Yeah, Jammer is good and has potential, but the FA market is rich in CBs and we can get a good one without putting anything but money on the table.

3. We move up two spots to get a guy who isn't the consensus number 1 pick. Eli, Ben or Fitz could all go at #1 and one of them will be there at #3. Heck, even if we move down further, DG has said himself there are as many as 8 "difference-makers" in this crop (although, I disagree and say there's 7).

This trade feels like a trade for trading's sake and doesn't really get us moving forward in any meaningful way.

 

[azdad1978]

Fonoti is not in the same Caliber as Davis is when motivated. Plus Davis can play Tackle too and Fonoti is strictly a guard. What type of injury did Fonoti had last year?

 

[spanky1]

Walter,

My first thoughts were similar to Jeff's.......I hate the thought of giving up Davis, but it solves some of our needs. I don't think San Diego would do this however......we would need to sweeten it up with another draft choice......minimum of our 3rd rounder.

We could still bring in a Winfield in FA and between Jammer, Winfield, Starks, Hill and Wilson (if the conversion works), we would be sitting pretty at CB. Wilson could even stay as SS.

We could use our #33 pick on a DE (would Marquise Hill still be available.....doubt it, but Antwan Odums would be) and along with a FA DT like Robaire Smith our D-Line becomes pretty solid.

And of course Green gets Fitzgerald creating an awsome WR threat.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
The Cardinals send G/T Leonard Davis and the #3 pick to the Chargers for G Toniu Fonoti, CB Quentin Jammer and the #1 pick.

Why the Chargers would make the trade: They don't want to select a QB at #1 and by trading to #3, they can snag arguably a perennial Pro Bowler in Davis and draft T Robert Gallery...and suddenly LaDanian Tomlinson is a potential 2,000 yard back in 2004. Fonoti becomes expendable with Davis in the fold...and Quentin Jammer can be offered to seal the deal because the Chargers are super high on last year's two rookie CBs, Sammy Davis and Drayton Florence.

Why the Cardinals would make the trade: They hate to give up Davis, but Fonoti is one of the more talented young guards in the league, Jammer has a tremendous upside and would start at RCB...and, best of all, say hello to WR Larry Fitzgerald...the player Dennis Green wants more than any other in this draft....and rightfully so...Fitzgerald is a special talent.

Hello Larry Fitzgerald!

I'm a big Fonoti fan myself but there's no way in hell the team with the worst pass defense in the NFL last year, the Chargers, are going to trade their best young CB prospect, Fonoti, and the first pick in the draft for a guy coming off an injury plagued down year and the 3rd pick in the draft.

If they want Gallery they can take him themselves, keep Jammer, and just pay him more at 1 than they would at 3.

If they would make this deal sure I'd jump on it, but they'd be completely out of their minds to make this deal. The only way they do it is if they know Fonoti's injury problem is going to persist. He had a shoulder injury as a rookie, a triceps injury last year and then had such pain in both feet that they wound up putting him on IR to heal the triceps and feet. Supposedly becuase of injuries he couldn't practice or workout and was gaining weight and there some questions about his dedication, but reports were Schottenheimer put him on IR when Fonoti WANTED to play, so who really knows?

He's a great talent, tremendous run blocker, but if the foot problem is going to be a constant, we wouldn't want any part of him.

 

[Walter Mitchell]

The Chargers are in a quandary. They don't want to draft a QB at #1. Marty Schottenheimer's off-season priority is to beef up his offensive line so he can pound the ball. IMO, he would be so ecstatic to land Davis AND get out of the top slot that he would make this deal in a heartbeat. And if you look back at how Marty likes to solve problems, he stockpiles at the position...like he did in the secondary last year...which is why he now has the luxury of being able to offer Quentin Jammer in a trade. But, the main point is...the Chargers don't want the #1 pick...they certainly aren't going to draft T Robert Gallery at #1. Taking Gallery at #3 and out of the #1 spotlight is a different story.

This may be the ONLY way the Cardinals can have a shot at drafting Larry Fitzgerald. The odds of him slipping past Oakland at #2 are slim to none.

Dennis Green is a go-getter. Other Cardinal coaches would always trade down. This guy will trade up to get the player he wants...and a move like this would make the kind of splash Green needs, not only to upgrade the overall talent on the football team, but to put fans in those blistering seats. Green needs a player who will make an immediate impact...which is in part why he doesn't want to draft a young QB who will take time to develop.

The two players in this draft who look they they would make the most immediate impact are Larry Fitgerald and Sean Taylor...but, let's face it...as good as Sean Taylor is...as a safety...he's not a sexy pick. Can any of you imagine that thousands of new fans will purchse season tickets because the Cardinals drafted Sean Taylor at #3?

Larry Fitzgerald was the talk of college football last year...was the best player in college football last year and should have won the Heisman Trophy. And Larry Fitzgerald will be the talk of this year's draft. It would be a boon for the Cardinals to land this guy...and noone knows it better than Dennis Green...who happens to know Fitzgerald like a son.

 

[Lex]

Larry Fitzgerald may have been the talk of college football back east, he may have been the talk of Minnesota, and the Vikings, but I think Anquan Boldin made Larry Fitzgerald irrelevant. I also think Denny would be in a no win situation with Fitz.

I think Denny takes Roy Williams at #3.

Let San Diego take Gallery at number 1 if they really want him, if they trade down, then WE could take him. If they don't want the first pick, don't want a quarterback with the first pick ... win more games, like the Cardinals did.

Let's trade AC, and our 2nd rounder, to someone with a low enough second round pick, that we can get DeAngelo Hall.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by Lex

I think Denny takes Roy Williams at #3.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by Lex
Let's trade AC, and our 2nd rounder, to someone with a low enough second round pick, that we can get DeAngelo Hall. [/B]

Can you explain to me why do we need to trade our high second round pick for a lower second rounder when Hall won't be there at the lower picks? why not just draft Hall with our high second pick?

 

[Lex]

Great question azdad1978-

High VS low draft picks.

The way I see it, if you have the #35 pick in the second round, that is LOWER than pick #38.

How the heck can #1 overall be a "high" first round pick? It's the "lowest" pick of all, right?

I don't get it either.

 

[Brian]

Originally posted by Lex
I think Denny takes Roy Williams at #3.

What???

Why would Denny take Williams, who is a clone of Fitz, when everyone knows of his personal involvement with Fitz' family?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by HarleyRider
What???

Why would Denny take Williams, who is a clone of Fitz, when everyone knows of his personal involvement with Fitz' family?

They're not clones at all, Fitz is a polished WR who runs good routes, has great hands, and who has to show his speed is up to snuff.

Williams is a great athlete big and fast who has to show NFL scouts he can run good routes, consistently catch the ball, and produce in an NFL offense. The biggest knock on Williams is his lack of polish playing in the Texas offense, the biggest knock on Fitzgerald is he's not as athletic as some of the other WR's are.

 

[Brian]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
They're not clones at all, Fitz is a polished WR who runs good routes, has great hands, and who has to show his speed is up to snuff.

Williams is a great athlete big and fast who has to show NFL scouts he can run good routes, consistently catch the ball, and produce in an NFL offense. The biggest knock on Williams is his lack of polish playing in the Texas offense, the biggest knock on Fitzgerald is he's not as athletic as some of the other WR's are.

I was referring to the post someone put on here a few weeks ago that did the side by side comparison of the two. They are almost identical in height, weight, 40 time, etc.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by HarleyRider
I was referring to the post someone put on here a few weeks ago that did the side by side comparison of the two. They are almost identical in height, weight, 40 time, etc.

Are you talking about Fitz vs Boldin comparison?

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
The Cardinals send G/T Leonard Davis and the #3 pick to the Chargers for G Toniu Fonoti, CB Quentin Jammer and the #1 pick.

Why the Chargers would make the trade: They don't want to select a QB at #1 and by trading to #3, they can snag arguably a perennial Pro Bowler in Davis and draft T Robert Gallery...and suddenly LaDanian Tomlinson is a potential 2,000 yard back in 2004. Fonoti becomes expendable with Davis in the fold...and Quentin Jammer can be offered to seal the deal because the Chargers are super high on last year's two rookie CBs, Sammy Davis and Drayton Florence.

Why the Cardinals would make the trade: They hate to give up Davis, but Fonoti is one of the more talented young guards in the league, Jammer has a tremendous upside and would start at RCB...and, best of all, say hello to WR Larry Fitzgerald...the player Dennis Green wants more than any other in this draft....and rightfully so...Fitzgerald is a special talent.

Hello Larry Fitzgerald!

This makes no sense for SD no way they trade a G who is better/equal then G they trade for and then add in a #1 CB and let us move up 2 spots. Who would trade Fonoti for Davis 1 on 1 let alone toss in a #1 CB and let us move up two spots.

 

[Lars the Red]

Re: Re: Trade Proposal

Originally posted by Russ Smith

He's a great talent, tremendous run blocker, but if the foot problem is going to be a constant, we wouldn't want any part of him.

Russ, we're buddies, take it from me, we don't want anything to do with him. It's not just because of the injuries, though they are a legit concern, it's more because of his extreme lazy streak. I have enough friends at the University that all have commented on his lack of drive. He was fine if he was just going to manhandle someone, but if he really had to work, he just sort of mailed it in. He lacks heart.

What does it say about a player when they actually put on 40 pounds in the month before that biggest game in their career? That's exactly what he did prior to the Rose Bowl against Miami. His weight has ballooned several times to nearly 380 pounds, and he doesn't appear to give a crap.

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Re: Re: Trade Proposal

Originally posted by Lars the Red
Russ, we're buddies, take it from me, we don't want anything to do with him. It's not just because of the injuries, though they are a legit concern, it's more because of his extreme lazy streak. I have enough friends at the University that all have commented on his lack of drive. He was fine if he was just going to manhandle someone, but if he really had to work, he just sort of mailed it in. He lacks heart.

What does it say about a player when they actually put on 40 pounds in the month before that biggest game in their career? That's exactly what he did prior to the Rose Bowl against Miami. His weight has ballooned several times to nearly 380 pounds, and he doesn't appear to give a crap.

You may be right I came across a pay article on him that I didn't pay for but the headline(from insiders.com) said something about the chargers questioning his commitment because of his gaining weight while rehabbing his injuries. It may be that the reason Marty put him on IR was to send him a message about weight.

ONe of the more impressive run blockers I've seen recently(he pancaked Wilfork twice in that game you're talking about when Vince was a frosh), but it does sound like San Diego has some questions about how much desire he has for the game.

Haven't seen you on the board much of late glad to see you're still here.

 

[SECTION 11]

It's a damn shame, because a 330 pound guard that can pull like that... what a waste.

 

[JeffGollin]

The way I see it, if you have the #35 pick in the second round, that is LOWER than pick #38.
The semantics have always driven me nuts. That's why I refer to "early" in a round or "late" in a round rather than "high" or "low."

 

[Boltjolt]

Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
The Cardinals send G/T Leonard Davis and the #3 pick to the Chargers for G Toniu Fonoti, CB Quentin Jammer and the #1 pick.

Why the Chargers would make the trade: They don't want to select a QB at #1 and by trading to #3, they can snag arguably a perennial Pro Bowler in Davis and draft T Robert Gallery...and suddenly LaDanian Tomlinson is a potential 2,000 yard back in 2004. Fonoti becomes expendable with Davis in the fold...and Quentin Jammer can be offered to seal the deal because the Chargers are super high on last year's two rookie CBs, Sammy Davis and Drayton Florence.

Why the Cardinals would make the trade: They hate to give up Davis, but Fonoti is one of the more talented young guards in the league, Jammer has a tremendous upside and would start at RCB...and, best of all, say hello to WR Larry Fitzgerald...the player Dennis Green wants more than any other in this draft....and rightfully so...Fitzgerald is a special talent.

Hello Larry Fitzgerald!

WOW..what crack house did you escape from?
I cant imagine what makes you think we would make this trade in a million years?

For this trade to have any merit or even a thread of interest..you would also have to throw in Aquon Boldin, AJ Sheldon, your 2nd round pick,3rd round pick and your first rounder next year.

Oh..and you have to take Marty's Son off our coaching staff and put him on yours and give us your QB coach.

Still interested?