Chaplin
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And who does Googs come in the game for? Jake or Amare. So what's your point?
Traded for white
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And who does Googs come in the game for? Jake or Amare. So what's your point?
schutd
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I agree. He was a big goofy 7 footer who came here in extrodinary circumstances. It had nothing to do with is basketball skill. I was just agreeing with you, and expounding my beliefs as to why.
The point I was trying to make was that Bo was a fan favorite, and we have moved on, and yeah Jake was a fan favorite, but he brought nothing to the court (well, rarely did he bring something to the court) and Bo arguably did, and yet we got over that trade.
Lets not make comparisons like Bo and Jake for White. Because we cant accurately speculate what else might have happened or what the C's intent was.
Regardless, I see no point in questioning this traqde until he hits the floor for us.
I know, theres nothing else to talk about. I guess Im just one to roll with the punches with this prganzation and root for em regardless. I know a hell lot less about basketball the game, let alone the business than some people here either do, or purport to, so I guess Im less ciritical. Wait this is getting too wordy.
SUNS RULE! WE'RE #1!!!
schutd
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All I can think of is our "style" is a bogus excuse for goingsmall. Cause we havent been able to play our "style" yet. We're getting hammered on the boards, and that preventing us from running, and we all know what happens when we get stuck in a half court game. BOO!
I dont care if White ever crosses half court, as loing as he pulls down some freaking borads and outlets the ball so we can make a run at playing our "style". make sense? Thats what I get from this.
schutd
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MUSIC NERD!
I like this trade--in fact, I like the whole business with Bo/JAKE a lot better now that the second half of the trade is complete.
Things I like:
1. Jahidi White is exactly what the Suns need at center--he can body big centers as well as (if not better than) Big Jake, and he has the quickness that Big Jake will never develop.
2. This trade conserves the momentum the Suns have from last year. Before this, they were probably going to take a half-step backward this year, which could have been bad for morale.
3. Washington has a reputation for collecting big men, then giving them away just before they become valuable.
4. White himself has to be thrilled--he's coming from a bad team where he got no PT to a good (and rising) team where he'll be an integral piece. He should be in a good mood for the rest of the year, which bodes well for having him fit in and produce.
Things I don't like:
1. This probably takes us out of the FA market next year. Since Adonal Foyle just had knee surgery, this doesn't seem like as much of a problem--besides, the Suns will be back in the market for a center in two years if White doesn't work out (or back in the trade market next year with an expiring contract), which is better than you could say if they'd picked up Battie.
2. White has hands of stone--even there, though, he's still a significant upgrade over Big Jake, and all the Suns had to give up to make that upgrade was Bo Outlaw's lousy contract.
I figure that the Suns probably held up trading for Jahidi White until he could pass a physical.
Anyway, I think everybody will be happy about this trade as soon as White hits the floor and starts causing mayhem. I think he's a great complement for Jake Voskuhl, and as I said before, he shores up all of the Suns' biggest weaknesses--what's not to like about that?
Things I like:
1. Jahidi White is exactly what the Suns need at center--he can body big centers as well as (if not better than) Big Jake, and he has the quickness that Big Jake will never develop.
2. This trade conserves the momentum the Suns have from last year. Before this, they were probably going to take a half-step backward this year, which could have been bad for morale.
3. Washington has a reputation for collecting big men, then giving them away just before they become valuable.
4. White himself has to be thrilled--he's coming from a bad team where he got no PT to a good (and rising) team where he'll be an integral piece. He should be in a good mood for the rest of the year, which bodes well for having him fit in and produce.
Things I don't like:
1. This probably takes us out of the FA market next year. Since Adonal Foyle just had knee surgery, this doesn't seem like as much of a problem--besides, the Suns will be back in the market for a center in two years if White doesn't work out (or back in the trade market next year with an expiring contract), which is better than you could say if they'd picked up Battie.
2. White has hands of stone--even there, though, he's still a significant upgrade over Big Jake, and all the Suns had to give up to make that upgrade was Bo Outlaw's lousy contract.
I figure that the Suns probably held up trading for Jahidi White until he could pass a physical.
Anyway, I think everybody will be happy about this trade as soon as White hits the floor and starts causing mayhem. I think he's a great complement for Jake Voskuhl, and as I said before, he shores up all of the Suns' biggest weaknesses--what's not to like about that?
Yeah, I got it too.
I do think the Suns need to keep Zarko out there for at least a movement or two, every game, regardless of how badly they're playing. He's not going to perform until he gets comfortable out there.
...hey, wait. That doesn't sound good at all...
thegrahamcrackr
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How long till frank tells the papers he came up with a completely original name for the White/Voskuhl duo??
"2 Live Crew 2"
"2 Live Crew 2"
hcsilla
ASFN Lifer
Yes, but will be White a better rebounder than Outlaw and Tsakalidis together? Or better than Tsakalidis alone?
I hope so but I doubt it.
I wouldn't have wanted to see Outlaw and Tsakalidis on the floor together. What offense would they run--dump and chase?
I think White will be a better rebounder than Tsakalidis was--he's got bad hands like Big Jake, but he's quicker, and people get out of his way when they see him coming.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
i too think he'll be a better rebounder than big jake, particularly offensively.
I know it's ridiculous, the only comparison I made is the size. Ford may not have had any skill, but it looked like he did when they drafted him.
White's stats for 02-03 are not much to get excited about:
16 games/ 230 min = 14.375 min/game.
Rebound total 73 split even at 36-37 and if you take away one good game against SA where he got 19 rebounds that gives him an average of 3.4 /game for the rest.
4.2 Points/ game (47.2 % with no outside shot whatsoever)
.75 blocks /game.... ie either 0 or one / game with 3 blocks in his best game
Turnovers .56/ game and Assists .1 /game
I don't think these stats show much skill and we don't know - maybe Ford could have come close if he was encourged & coached
instead of being told to warm the bench. Probably not - but maybe. Big Jakes stats for all practible purposes were about the same as Whites' and could well be argued better than White's.
Originally posted by Chaplin
And who does Googs come in the game for? Jake or Amare. So what's your point?
So why should you be confused? I believe I made my point very clear...... I said in my last sentence:
" OK, here's my point...along with some others on this board, I say it's obivious - FJ has no idea how to coach - PERIOD."
I guess your point is you think Googs will get less time (I don't)...So I ask you, if Googs still averages the same amount of PT, who gives up the minutes White would get?
Chaplin
Better off silent
Do you have an answer for that question? There isn't one because the logical guy to lose time with the addition of White is Tom Gugliotta--even MORE so when Scotty comes back.
LakeShowMan
Registered
I'm shocked most of you aren't more happy about this move. I think this guy gives you some rugged interior presence that you haven't had in awhile. He at least will bang with people, and can be a nuisance for some of the big guys in the conference.
Oh well, you guys probably have a better handle on your needs than I do. However, most people I have talked to think it is a very good move for the Suns.
Oh well, you guys probably have a better handle on your needs than I do. However, most people I have talked to think it is a very good move for the Suns.
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
i agree with you. i'm psyched. he's not a franchise center, but he'll certainly help as a role player. right now we've got to be more worried that our "stars" aren't gettin' it done.
I think most of us agree that White should help. He's probably the best center the Phoenix Suns have had in some time. The problem many of us have is what it took to get him. And don't forget this is a guy with a history of injuries.
Joe Mama
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He's probably the best center the Phoenix Suns have had in some time.
If that's true, then the deal really isn't so bad after all. My guess is that White will rot on the end of the bench like Tsakalidis did, or Archibald currently does. If he ends up being close to Voskuhl's level of effectiveness, I'll be perfectly satisfied with this trade. And if he ends up being better than Voskuhl, I'll think the trade is an outright success.
If that's true, then the deal really isn't so bad after all. My guess is that White will rot on the end of the bench like Tsakalidis did, or Archibald currently does. If he ends up being close to Voskuhl's level of effectiveness, I'll be perfectly satisfied with this trade. And if he ends up being better than Voskuhl, I'll think the trade is an outright success.
I think you'll be happy then. The only way White doesn't see significant minutes is if he's injured. Unfortunately that's a very real possibility.
We'll find out soon enough.
Joe Mama
So anyone want to compare stats of Big Jake (who many say was no good) to those of White.... Here you are. I've done a little rounding and elimination of a few details in order to make it easier to read. You can decide for yourself if the trade was worth it. We got rid of Jake & Outlaw and ended up with White, Trybanski, (Is that right or was Archibald part of the deal?)..... Someone else can do the math on the $$$$
Yr/G MPG FG% FT% RPG (O/F) APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Tsakakidis
00/57 7 .47 .59 4.2(1.5/2.8 ) .3 .18 .96 1.2 2.4 4.5
01/67 24 .48 .7 5.6(1.9/3.6) .3 .34 1.03 1.2 2.9 7.3
02/33 16 .45 .67 3.7(1.4/2.3) .4 .18 .52 .79 2.4 4.9
White
98/20 10 .53 .43 2.9(1.2/1.8 ) .1 .15 .55 .80 2.0 2.5
99/80 19 .51 .54 6.9(2.5/4.4) .2 .39 1.04 1.2 2.9 7.1
00/68 24 .5 .57 7.7(2.6/5.0) .3 .47 1.63 2.0 3.1 8.6
01/71 19 .54 .54 6.3(2.2/4.0) .2 .35 1.06 .92 2.3 5.4
02/16 14 .47 .68 4.6(2.3/2.3) .1 .06 .75 .56 2.1 4.2
Yr/G MPG FG% FT% RPG (O/F) APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Tsakakidis
00/57 7 .47 .59 4.2(1.5/2.8 ) .3 .18 .96 1.2 2.4 4.5
01/67 24 .48 .7 5.6(1.9/3.6) .3 .34 1.03 1.2 2.9 7.3
02/33 16 .45 .67 3.7(1.4/2.3) .4 .18 .52 .79 2.4 4.9
White
98/20 10 .53 .43 2.9(1.2/1.8 ) .1 .15 .55 .80 2.0 2.5
99/80 19 .51 .54 6.9(2.5/4.4) .2 .39 1.04 1.2 2.9 7.1
00/68 24 .5 .57 7.7(2.6/5.0) .3 .47 1.63 2.0 3.1 8.6
01/71 19 .54 .54 6.3(2.2/4.0) .2 .35 1.06 .92 2.3 5.4
02/16 14 .47 .68 4.6(2.3/2.3) .1 .06 .75 .56 2.1 4.2
White will add a very strong presence the Suns lack.I remember reading an article where White was bringing Kwame Brown too tears in practice, because of his size and force, something the Suns greatly lack.
thegrahamcrackr
Registered User
Im not convinced that I couldnt bring Kwame Brown to tears..........
LMAO
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