Trading Amare?

[Crash]

Say it ain't so

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_21900.shtml

By Steve "BskBALL" Kyler
for HOOPSWORLD.com
May 9, 2007, 23:55
RUMOR HAS IT…



Trading Amare?: Let me preface this by saying I doubted it when I heard it, too. But I have now heard it more than a few times. It has long been believed that Phoenix would be trimming off one of their “star” players this summer to avoid luxury tax. Most NBA pundits believed it would be the constantly “unappreciated” Shawn Marion heading out. Sources close to the situation say if the Suns make a trade this summer, and a lot of people don’t want to see it happen, the player more likely shopped is Amare Stoudemire. Why would Phoenix entertain such a crazy move? For one, Amare could return a massively impressive piece or group of pieces. Name any player in the league not named Kobe or LeBron, and Amare might get you a serious conversation. Word has it that Mike D’Antoni has said to a number of people that he’s not thrilled with Amare’s me-first manner, no matter how effective it is and that he believes the team was a better “team” last year with Amare on the bench. It’s is hard to grasp why anyone would consider trading Amare, who is just becoming who he’ll be, but if ownership does force a roster move, and D’Antoni is allowed to make the move he wants to make – don’t be surprised if Marion stays and Amare and a contract are moved, especially if it can return a massive marquee talent. Kevin Garnett doesn’t save you tax dollars, but an Amare package would get you a serious audience in Minnesota. Jermaine O’Neal, Ray Allen - virtually any big-name talent. Also keep in mind Phoenix has a couple of first round draft choices to play with. Time will tell how serious the rift may be between player and coach, but it sure would make this summer a bit more interesting if the Suns were looking to shop their premier big man.

 

[greensborohill]

Dirk Nowitzki

 

[slinslin]

This post loses all credibility when it says Amare could land you a big talent like Jermaine O'Neal or Ray Allen.
Lets trade Amare for inferior, older talent with bad contracts? Right, there is a reason those players are available.

And this team was a lot worse last season, chemistry doesn't win you anything on its own.

The Suns were supposed to be build around Amare and not Steve Nash. Maybe some people need to remember this.

 

[sharkman]

This post loses all credibility when it says Amare could land you a big talent like Jermaine O'Neal or Ray Allen.
Lets trade Amare for inferior, older talent with bad contracts? Right, there is a reason those players are available.

And this team was a lot worse last season, chemistry doesn't win you anything on its own.

The Suns were supposed to be build around Amare and not Steve Nash. Maybe some people need to remember this.

Agreed. I was trying to think of a player I'd trade Amare straight up for...
LeBron? Cleveland wouldn't do it...Garnett? Too old and too high a salary...Chris Bosh? Not good enough...

This years number 1 overall draft pick for Greg Oden? That I'd probably do.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

I have no idea about contact situation but is there any chance of trading Kobe for Amare, player to player?

 

[RingtheBell]

I have no idea about contact situation but is there any chance of trading Kobe for Amare, player to player?

On this day, I would stop calling myself a Suns fan.

 

[sharkman]

I have no idea about contact situation but is there any chance of trading Kobe for Amare, player to player?

1. Salaries need to be within 125% +$100K...and Kobe makes too much
2. Amare is a BYC1 player...making him very difficult to deal due to salary matchups
3. Teams rarely trade within their division

 

[CHAPTER 7]

1. Salaries need to be within 125% +$100K...and Kobe makes too much
2. Amare is a BYC1 player...making him very difficult to deal due to salary matchups
3. Teams rarely trade within their division

Cool. Okay so the salary is way too different between Amare and Kobe. I thought Amere was making his max so it could be similar to Kobe.

 

[Louis]

By Steve "BskBALL" Kyler

....Jermaine O’Neal, Ray Allen...

LMAO.

Ray Allen would only add to the problems the Suns already have. Namely a lack of an interior presence outside of the foul plagued Amare and the aging KT.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing the Suns stay put IF the Atl pick pans out.

Draft 3 guys:

With the Atl pick: Take the best player available
Clev pick: Backup PG
Phx pick: Backup big man or Thaddeus Young

Let KT's contract expire at the end of next season, Marion's is soon over, and you'd have some room to work with and a solid core of guys in Amare, Barbosa, Diaw (he will be back to form), Horford/Noah/?, and 2 07 1st rounders.

 

[elindholm]

1. Salaries need to be within 125% +$100K...and Kobe makes too much

True, although it would be easy for the Suns to throw in a filler contract.

2. Amare is a BYC1 player...making him very difficult to deal due to salary matchups

That status expires this summer.

3. Teams rarely trade within their division

They do when they have to.

Stoudemire won't be traded for Bryant, but the main reason is that the Lakers aren't trading Bryant for anyone.

 

[jlove]

The main reason why Kobe wont be traded is because it would make the Lakers organization look like idiots for trading away Shaq instead of him in the first place. So far, it already does. Shaq's got his ring with Miami and where have the Lakers been? Either missing the playoffs all together or being ousted in the first round.

 

[hcsilla]

The Suns were supposed to be build around Amare and not Steve Nash. Maybe some people need to remember this.

Maybe some people need to watch more Suns games.

That's Steve Nash's team. Not builded around him, it's his.

 

[green machine]

We'll see what happens.

Amare is a superstar talent with a superstar attitude. He knows the team should be built around him. That may rub some the wrong way, but it's the truth. Teams need to put up with that stuff because it is their best chance to win. If someone gets pissy because Amare thinks he's better then they are then whatever, because he likely is better then them.

Here's my thing: you build around guys who step up when needed. When someone gets hurt, playoffs, whatever. When Nash went down in the middle of the season Amare stepped up his game. He proved he didn't need Steve to spoon-feed him everything. Then, in the playoffs, Amare was great again. He stepped up when the team needed him.

You don't trade players like that.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Say it ain't so

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_21900.shtml

By Steve "BskBALL" Kyler
for HOOPSWORLD.com
May 9, 2007, 23:55
RUMOR HAS IT…



Trading Amare?: Let me preface this by saying I doubted it when I heard it, too. But I have now heard it more than a few times. It has long been believed that Phoenix would be trimming off one of their “star” players this summer to avoid luxury tax. Most NBA pundits believed it would be the constantly “unappreciated” Shawn Marion heading out. Sources close to the situation say if the Suns make a trade this summer, and a lot of people don’t want to see it happen, the player more likely shopped is Amare Stoudemire. Why would Phoenix entertain such a crazy move? For one, Amare could return a massively impressive piece or group of pieces. Name any player in the league not named Kobe or LeBron, and Amare might get you a serious conversation. Word has it that Mike D’Antoni has said to a number of people that he’s not thrilled with Amare’s me-first manner, no matter how effective it is and that he believes the team was a better “team” last year with Amare on the bench. It’s is hard to grasp why anyone would consider trading Amare, who is just becoming who he’ll be, but if ownership does force a roster move, and D’Antoni is allowed to make the move he wants to make – don’t be surprised if Marion stays and Amare and a contract are moved, especially if it can return a massive marquee talent. Kevin Garnett doesn’t save you tax dollars, but an Amare package would get you a serious audience in Minnesota. Jermaine O’Neal, Ray Allen - virtually any big-name talent. Also keep in mind Phoenix has a couple of first round draft choices to play with. Time will tell how serious the rift may be between player and coach, but it sure would make this summer a bit more interesting if the Suns were looking to shop their premier big man.

It loses all credibility because D'Antoni will not have cart blanche to deal Amare, I personally think he would, but you're talking about a coach who and GM could be fired by mid next season with a bad start.

 

[green machine]

It loses all credibility because D'Antoni will not have cart blanche to deal Amare, I personally think he would, but you're talking about a coach who and GM could be fired by mid next season with a bad start.

I doubt D'Antoni is anywhere close to being on the hot seat. Maybe as GM, but not as coach.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Anyone who believes last year's team was better than this year's version is either delusional or blind. Yeah, 05-06 probably had better chemistry as a group but it was also a team that was a couple shots away from losing to two very mediocre teams.

 

[NastyOne]

This is the main reason Headcoaches who are also General Managers hardly ever work out.And especially guys becoming both without deserving it.

I already said it earlier in the year and ill say it again...

D'Antoni for whatever reason does not like Amare and now that he is GM he will try to get him out of here.

Maybe he got a little jaded when we made the WCF without Amare last season cause of our cupcake schedule in the postseason. Who Knows.

But the point is that when his system is not working Amare Stoudemire was and is the only person on this team that can still put points on the board using a different set. And i guess in a way that hurts DA pride or something knowing that his brand of basketball isnt meant for the playoffs and Amare wanting the offense to run through him does.

If im Sarver and D'Antoni comes to me talking about trading our franchise Bigman, i give Mike the boot from his GM responsibilities, cause clearly he has no ******* clue what hes doing.

 

[Crash]

This is the main reason Headcoaches who are also General Managers hardly ever work out.And especially guys becoming both without deserving it.

I already said it earlier in the year and ill say it again...

D'Antoni for whatever reason does not like Amare and now that he is GM he will try to get him out of here.

Maybe he got a little jaded when we made the WCF without Amare last season cause of our cupcake schedule in the postseason. Who Knows.

But the point is that when his system is not working Amare Stoudemire was and is the only person on this team that can still put points on the board using a different set. And i guess in a way that hurts DA pride or something knowing that his brand of basketball isnt meant for the playoffs and Amare wanting the offense to run through him does.

If im Sarver and D'Antoni comes to me talking about trading our franchise Bigman, i give Mike the boot from his GM responsibilities, cause clearly he has no ******* clue what hes doing.

I completely agree!




I think I've read more then a few times that Amare and Sarver have a close relationship. Amare is right to complain. They were more then a few games this year were we were not shooting the ball good. Did coach D give the ball to Amare in the post? Nope, He just had the team keep shooting. There is a reason why we can't win in the playoffs and it isn't Stern. I knew we were in trouble with the Spurs as soon as we lost game 1 at home.

 

[slinslin]

Maybe some people need to watch more Suns games.

That's Steve Nash's team. Not builded around him, it's his.

That's great doesn't change the fact that Nash was brought in as Amare's sidekick.

Amare is the franchise player, not Nash.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

That's great doesn't change the fact that Nash was brought in as Amare's sidekick.

Amare is the franchise player, not Nash.

Yeah, but we really weren't expecting Nash to be an MVP player.

 

[RingtheBell]

I would not be heartbroken if D'Antoni was canned in the off season. I personally think he is mostly to blame for our elimination.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Anyone who believes last year's team was better than this year's version is either delusional or blind. Yeah, 05-06 probably had better chemistry as a group but it was also a team that was a couple shots away from losing to two very mediocre teams.

nothing made less sense to me all season then the fact that Barbosa and Marion both averaged more shots per game than Amare. Or that averaged .7 shots per game less. The guy shot 58% from the field and is pretty much unstoppable and yet the Suns seemed to be allergic to actually getting him the ball, only getting it to him when there was there pretty much no other option or only at the end of games, like in the Mavs OT game or in Game 4 of the SA series.

I'd be pissed too if I was Amare. Last year just ended up being a season full of pyhrric victories as far as I'm concerned. If you have a horse like Amare, you ride him until he dies.

 

[RingtheBell]

If you have a horse like Amare, you ride him until he dies.

Or Diaw eats him.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

I doubt D'Antoni is anywhere close to being on the hot seat. Maybe as GM, but not as coach.

Ok but my point isn't that he is close now, it's that no coach/GM will ever have full franchise pull because D'antoni cold move from secure to endangered in about 25 bad games.

it makes no strategic sense to give a Coach/GM 100% control on franchise altering deals like trading Amare Stoudemire. I don't think foamy is that stupid, I think it's his call.

 

[devilalum]

Amare has no low post game, he's an average rebounder, he'll never have the hops he had 2 years ago, he's a bad low post defender, he'll probably need at least another knee surgery before his career is done and when Nash isn't in the game to set him up he struggles to score.

Tell me again why he's so untouchable?