Trading Amare?

[slinslin]

You must be watching a different Amare then..

Last time I checked he scores regardless of who is in the game.

Last time I checked he averaged near 10rpg in the regular season playing just 33mpg.

Last time I checked he averaged almost 13rpg in just 34mpg in the playoffs, only Tim Duncan if at all had better rebounding statistics in more playing time.

Last time I checked he had the best playoff run of his career this season averaging 25/12/1/1.5/2 52%FG in 34mpg.

And no low post game? Are you kidding? We are hardly ever trying to set it up but if he gets the ball in the post he makes things happen.

I also thought he did a good job defensively in the playoffs, especially against the Lakers it was key. You can't expect him to guard Duncan 1on1 especially when you need him to stay out of foul trouble to have a chance to win.

It's not like Thomas did a better job defensively on Duncan. Duncan still always got his the only difference was that Thomas doesn't have to worry about his fouls much.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I remember last off season everyone was scared D'Antoni would be following BC to Toronto.

 

[devilalum]

You must be watching a different Amare then..

Last time I checked he scores regardless of who is in the game.

Last time I checked he averaged near 10rpg in the regular season playing just 33mpg.

Last time I checked he averaged almost 13rpg in just 34mpg in the playoffs, only Tim Duncan if at all had better rebounding statistics in more playing time.

And no low post game? Are you kidding? We are hardly ever trying to set it up but if he gets the ball in the post he makes things happen.

I also thought he did a good job defensively in the playoffs, especially against the Lakers it was key. You can't expect him to guard Duncan 1on1 especially when you need him to stay out of foul trouble to have a chance to win.

It's not like Thomas did a better job defensively on Duncan. Duncan still always got his the only difference was that Thomas doesn't have to worry about his fouls much.

He has no back to the basket moves. You can't toss him the ball on the block and let the offence run through him like most great PFs. He gets most of his scoring off the 2 man game with Nash. Two years ago you could toss him the ball at the top of the key and he would just destroy everybody on his own, he can't do that anymore.

His rebounding and D did improve this year but the Suns also gave up a lot of offensive boards. I was so tired of watching Duncan tip the ball out under his own rim and more often than not it was right over Amare.

AND WHY HAS EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT HIS KNEES?

I'm not saying Amare is terrible, he's a great player. I'm just saying I think he's far from untouchable. Why weren't the Suns any better this year than they were last year? If you add an all NBA first teamer to a team that came very close to winning it all shouldn't they be unstoppable?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Amare's spin into the center of the paint is a pretty good low post move. I would say he hits it about 60% of the time.

We said "Amare needs to be a better rebounder" and he was

We said "Amare is a terrible low post defender" and now he has improved to average

We said "Amare needs to hit a 15 foot jump shot consistently" and now he does

We said "Amare needs to become a better passer" and by the year's end he was.

We said "Amare needs to play a whole year" and he did

Why would anyone doubt he can be effective in the low post? I wouldn't doubt Amare on anything.

 

[RingtheBell]

AND WHY HAS EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT HIS KNEES?

Because they way he played this year it seemed Amare forgot about them.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

His knees and attitude are the question marks but you gamble on those for the reward...or at least I would.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Amare's spin into the center of the paint is a pretty good low post move. I would say he hits it about 60% of the time.

We said "Amare needs to be a better rebounder" and he was

We said "Amare is a terrible low post defender" and now he has improved to average

We said "Amare needs to hit a 15 foot jump shot consistently" and now he does

We said "Amare needs to become a better passer" and by the year's end he was.

We said "Amare needs to play a whole year" and he did

Why would anyone doubt he can be effective in the low post? I wouldn't doubt Amare on anything.

well said and i completely agree.

 

[sharkman]

He has no back to the basket moves. You can't toss him the ball on the block and let the offence run through him like most great PFs. He gets most of his scoring off the 2 man game with Nash. Two years ago you could toss him the ball at the top of the key and he would just destroy everybody on his own, he can't do that anymore.

His rebounding and D did improve this year but the Suns also gave up a lot of offensive boards. I was so tired of watching Duncan tip the ball out under his own rim and more often than not it was right over Amare.

AND WHY HAS EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT HIS KNEES?

I'm not saying Amare is terrible, he's a great player. I'm just saying I think he's far from untouchable. Why weren't the Suns any better this year than they were last year? If you add an all NBA first teamer to a team that came very close to winning it all shouldn't they be unstoppable?

He was voted first team All-NBA. You must have been watching different games than the rest of the world.

 

[slinslin]

His hookshot usually is money as well when we go to him in the post..

It's not his fault we don't run plays to get the ball in the post..EVER.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Amare's spin into the center of the paint is a pretty good low post move. I would say he hits it about 60% of the time.

We said "Amare needs to be a better rebounder" and he was

We said "Amare is a terrible low post defender" and now he has improved to average

We said "Amare needs to hit a 15 foot jump shot consistently" and now he does

We said "Amare needs to become a better passer" and by the year's end he was.

We said "Amare needs to play a whole year" and he did

Why would anyone doubt he can be effective in the low post? I wouldn't doubt Amare on anything.

In that case, I doubt Amare could average 60 points and 25 rebounds a game....

 

[elindholm]

I'll say this, which is something I've never said about any other Phoenix player: If the Suns trade Stoudemire, not only will I wish him all the greatest future success, but I will seriously consider defecting from the Suns and becoming a fan of his new team.

 

[devilalum]

His knees and attitude are the question marks but you gamble on those for the reward...or at least I would.

I've just read on several occasions that the microfracture only lasts a few years. Its not real cartilage.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not saying Amare is terrible, he's a great player. I'm just saying I think he's far from untouchable. Why weren't the Suns any better this year than they were last year? If you add an all NBA first teamer to a team that came very close to winning it all shouldn't they be unstoppable?

here's the thing - they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than last year - better scoring, about the same in defense and they had 7 more wins. And last year's team wasn't all that close to winning it all last year. They took advantage of a scheduling quirk that had them avoiding SA who would have DESTROYED them, and barley got out of the first two rounds playing two pretty mediocre teams. Not to mention that last year's team was completely different from this year's team who didn't have a TT, a JR who was actually productive or an Eddie House who won ten games by himself. Last year's team was deeper, had a much easier schedule in the playoffs (and still struggled) and didn't even make the Finals. I really think it's lookign at things superficially to think last year's team was as good as this year's. Last year's team was special but they were a relative fluke IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I've just read on several occasions that the microfracture only lasts a few years. Its not real cartilage.

Jason Kidd had the surgery three years ago and looks every bit the player he used to before the surgery. At this point, having seen what Amare already looks like in his first year back (which is just RIDICULOUSLY past the point of EVERYONE who has had this surgery), I have no reason to doubt that he will continue on in the line of a Kidd, rather than a Penny.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Just say it with me:

"Boris Diaw, starting NBA Center" and realize how we were not equal the year before

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'll say this, which is something I've never said about any other Phoenix player: If the Suns trade Stoudemire, not only will I wish him all the greatest future success, but I will seriously consider defecting from the Suns and becoming a fan of his new team.

ouchie and I have discussed the same thing.

you just don't trade a guy like Amare. Especially with MVP-type Nash having one or two more years AT MOST left in the tank.

 

[devilalum]

here's the thing - they were SIGNIFICANTLY better than last year - better scoring, about the same in defense and they had 7 more wins. And last year's team wasn't all that close to winning it all last year. They took advantage of a scheduling quirk that had them avoiding SA who would have DESTROYED them, and barley got out of the first two rounds playing two pretty mediocre teams. Not to mention that last year's team was completely different from this year's team who didn't have a TT, a JR who was actually productive or an Eddie House who won ten games by himself. Last year's team was deeper, had a much easier schedule in the playoffs (and still struggled) and didn't even make the Finals. I really think it's lookign at things superficially to think last year's team was as good as this year's. Last year's team was special but they were a relative fluke IMO.

If Kurt Thomas hadn't got hurt last year the Suns would have won it all. There was a long stretch just before he got hurt where the Suns were DESTROYING teams. It really seemed like every player knew there role and everybody was happy about it.

Don't you remember all the ESPN articles about how the Suns were the best defensive team in the league? I thought it was true. I think it was the best defensive team the Suns have had in over a decade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Kurt Thomas hadn't got hurt last year the Suns would have won it all. There was a long stretch just before he got hurt where the Suns were DESTROYING teams. It really seemed like every player knew there role and everybody was happy about it.

Don't you remember all the ESPN articles about how the Suns were the best defensive team in the league? I thought it was true. I think it was the best defensive team the Suns have had in over a decade.

the only reason that team MIGHT have won it all is because of scheduling because SA would have killed that team with KT.

 

[devilalum]

the only reason that team MIGHT have won it all is because of scheduling because SA would have killed that team with KT.

Doesn't matter, something like that happens every year.

 

[wireonfire]

Craig Saiger reported during a game at the beginning of the season that his knees would need another surgery in a couple years.

Duncan said after game 6 that Amare would have a much harder life once Nash is not there to set him up.

 

[green machine]

Craig Saiger reported during a game at the beginning of the season that his knees would need another surgery in a couple years.

Duncan said after game 6 that Amare would have a much harder life once Nash is not there to set him up.

Well if Saiger says it then it must be true, given that he's a doctor and all. I'm sure different people respond to the procedure differently.

As far as Duncan's comments, if he said that, well then whatever. He's allowed to his opinion.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Doesn't matter, something like that happens every year.

okay, that team, with KT failed to beat Dallas and Detroit that season as well, so to say they would have won the entire title when they ONLY contender they had shown the ability to beat was Miami kind of debunks your argument. That team was what it was, the fourth best team in the league. Period. This year's team was likely the 2nd best team in the league that got screwed because of a suspension.

again, to think last year's team was somehow better than this year's just shows a fundamental lack of understanding about basketball IMO.

 

[dodie53]

did jason kidd have another major surgery after his microfracture surgery?

 

[HooverDam]

I'm not saying Amare is terrible, he's a great player. I'm just saying I think he's far from untouchable. Why weren't the Suns any better this year than they were last year? If you add an all NBA first teamer to a team that came very close to winning it all shouldn't they be unstoppable?

If you were trying to devise a paragraph for people to not take you seriously, you could do no better than this. This years Suns were MUCH better than last years, please don't even try to compare them. Last years team lived and died by the long range shot, had no inside presence on either end of the floor, was terrible at rebounding, and never got to the line, with Amare the Suns are better in all of those areas.

Lets also not forget if Amare went to school he'd be in his first or second year right now, he has a lot of time and room to grow. He can learn to play back to the basket, but in a way it negates his natural abilities. He doesn't need to be a traditional back to the basket 4. Amare is so good because he's faster, a better ball handler, and has more body control than any other big on the court. He can dribble around them, or jump in the air and contort his body in all sorts of ways in order to get the shot off after contact, the guy is amazing.

The Suns aren't going to trade Amare, that would just be insane. I don't think Nash would 'allow' them to do it, Nash knows how much this team needs Amare and I bet he'd be extremely pissed if they moved him. Look on Suns.com, there is an article about not blowing up the team, you dont need to fix whats not broken I believe it says. The Suns are going to keep it together.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'll say this, which is something I've never said about any other Phoenix player: If the Suns trade Stoudemire, not only will I wish him all the greatest future success, but I will seriously consider defecting from the Suns and becoming a fan of his new team.

What if is to the Lakers?