I heard the interview yesterday, too. Right after the Cardinal comment Dilfer said, "but I picked the Seahawks to beat the Giants yesterday, so what do I know?"
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moklerman
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My instinct is to think of the Steelers as a good team but they aren't even as good as they were last year and the Cardinals were able to beat them then. I think the Cardinals would have a definite shot right now.
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You know that if we beat the Cowboys, the perception is not going to be that we are a legitimate contender but that we played them at a not so great time. All I know is that the Cards looked very impressive in their 3 wins. They hung with the Redskins. After they got out of meltdown mode against the Jets, the offense looked scary good. If the defense would've joined in the fray, the Cards may have salvaged a win. People need to stop bringing in the history of the Cards and look at the team in front of them now. When they are playing to their capability, they can play with anyone in this league.
Now on the other hand take a look at the Giants. Everyone is now ready to crown their arse as the best team in football. Take away their 9 point win over the Redskins at home and the combined win total of their opponents is 1. Their strength of schedule is #32 at this point. The Cards is #6.
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He's looking at scores. We gave up 56 two games ago, Seattle gave up 44 Sunday. He's just saying even the teams figured to be contending in the West(if Seattle gets healthy and turns it around) are not competitive with teams like the Jets and Giants.
We all know we're better than we showed against the Jets but that game made a lot of people think same old Cards. Takes a few road wins to undo that.
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I have no problem with Dilfer, but the point itself doesn't matter unless the Cards win the division with a record that is worse than an NFC East team that doesn't make the playoffs. But even then, we're talking about a specific case where the toughest division may actually yield the best records. It won't always be that case, and what are you going to do, start quantifying strength of schedule for the playoffs?
I love the divisional system, and have always wished hockey and basketball would go back to it. My favorite was when the NHL structured its playoffs so the first two rounds were within the division. Opening night of the first round, you were looking at eight regional rivalries. It was awesome.
I love the divisional system, and have always wished hockey and basketball would go back to it. My favorite was when the NHL structured its playoffs so the first two rounds were within the division. Opening night of the first round, you were looking at eight regional rivalries. It was awesome.
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How about that the Cards are the only team in the division that's playing good football right now and if they continue they could be a legitimate contender? That would have been better than discounting the division as not even being worthy. His comment was idiotic.
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I actually would like them to do away with the divisions and have teams play against every team in their conference once. You would alternate home games each year. Start the season off with a game against the other conference.
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Really? One winning season in 20+ is proof enough that we have a long way to go to earn respect.
We keep winning and things will change, until then, we have nothing to complain about.
That has nothing at all to do with his comment, which was no one is good enough in the NFCW, so they should give up their playoff spot to a "more worthy" team in the NFCE.
Rivercard
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But isn't that a lazy man's answer? Especially considering the nature of the NFL these days. If Dilfer were paying attention he would notice that on the field this team looks a lot different than the Cardinal dreck of the last 20 years. No guarantee they won't finish 8-8 again, but they clearly look much improved to anyone who is actually paying attention - especially offensively. The Cards have scored 76 points in the last 6 quarters against AFC teams. That's impressive. Judging by early season performance, it's gonna take some key injuries or a lot of really bad Cardinal luck for SF or Seattle to win this division.
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My point is he is not an "idiot" to doubt us or the talent in the NFC West.
Rivercard
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It is unfair to single out the NFC west though IMHO.
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This is what I find very objectionable. This is not a 20+ year team. If you want to include any history, then the most you can go back is last year. That was the first year of this team under the new staff and they are looking better and better. STOP DWELLING ON THE PAST! At the very least contain it to eras. Just as an example look at the Chargers. Under Schottenheimer they were perrennial contenders. Under Turner they are declining. Basically the same players on the team. If they are sucking now does that mean they sucked then? Should they be given a pass now because they played better then?
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He is when he essentially says that any team in the NFC West doesn't deserve any consideration regardless of how they are playing. The sir, is an idiot. He might have had more credibility with his statement if the Cards had fumbled and bumbled and stumbled their way through their victories, but they didn't. They looked very impressive and dominating in all three wins. They played the Redskins close in Washington. A team that he just finished touting as what just may be one of the best teams in the league. He's an idiot.
Renz
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That's nice of Trent to share his opinion, but it doesn't matter. The NFL will never give up its divisional format.
The league wants to preserve its traditional rivalries such as Broncos/Chiefs, Cowboys/Redskins, Bears/Packers, Steelers/Browns etc. That's never gonna change, IMO.
The league wants to preserve its traditional rivalries such as Broncos/Chiefs, Cowboys/Redskins, Bears/Packers, Steelers/Browns etc. That's never gonna change, IMO.
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The reason he's crazy is the qualifier "at best". He's not saying they're a .500 club in his estimation, he's saying that's the best possible, and they might be worse. If you look at the Cardinals results this year and think their best possible result is 8-8, you're just nuts.
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Dilfer is one of the biggest busts in NFL history and suffers from premature balding. Misery loves company, he needs his haterade to survive. Maybe he's just pissed because he was the WORST QB in the NFCW last year.
I hope everyone sleeps on us.
I hope everyone sleeps on us.
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He's not balding, his hair is committing suicide, and with comments like that spewing from his brain, you can't blame em. I wouldn't want to stay attached to that either.
The guy is an asshat... I thought he was pretty good the first week as an analyst. Now he is just getting condescending and arrogant. Cant stand listening to the guy, or anyone else on ESPN for that matter. NFL Network on the other hand.. Hmmm.. Woodson and Dukes are spot on when it came to breaking down this Bills game and how the Cards would respond. Guess what? Everything those guys said was non bias and correct about the way they came out and played. They actually must have done some "analyzing" of the cards. They are the only tolerable guys to listen to..
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agreed. besides, many of you are acting like calling us a .500 team is some great insult. in the vast majority of years for this club that's an unattainable compliment!
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i don't know about that. we're sitting at 3-2. i look at the remaining home schedule and could see us going 3-3. That places us at 6-5. that means we'd have to go 2-3 on the road to finish at 8-8. that sounds perfectly reasonable. if we don't go 2-3 on the road (which is not out of the question) then we finish below 8-8. i wouldn't be surprised to see us finish 8-8 and win the division.
You must mean something other than the way I'm reading this. Carolina and Philly aren't road games.
wow this guy struck a nerve with a few of you. again I think it's a fair debate to bring up....but it's a fairy tale debate at the end of the day. meaning it will never happen and dilfer said the same thing on ESPN News the other day. He said....it won't happen. his opinion was that he thought the worst team in the NFC east was better than the best team in the NFC west. that's all he meant. I don't know what he said on cowheard and i didn't hear him bash the cardinals. the biggest problem for the cardinals is their road woes. they layed an egg on the road. you don't make it to the playoffs by winning moral victories in this league. I tell the same thing to the cowboys fans that say well we sucked against washington, but we still almost beat them. who cares....you lost. and worst of all the cards gave up 50 pts to the jets. the cards are a playoff caliber team....but the rest of the teams in the division are terrible. there is not another division in football that is remotely close to being as bad as the NFCW. and that is reality. don't take this the wrong way. I'm not bashing the cards here. I'm bashing the division and I'm defending dilfer's reasoning behind his fairy tale like opinion. again people on the suns forum talk about this every year with the NBA eastern conference. it's not like this is a rogue idea that has never been brought up.
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Couldn't that same argument be made for the NFC North? If the NFC East is all everyone is touting it to be, then why not just have the playoffs for that division? So far, other than the Redskins, I'm not ready to buy into that division being heads and tails above everyone else. Dallas almost lost to the Bungles. The Giants have had the most cream puff schedule to date. They won't even be tested until like week 8. This is like when they all annointed the Bears as winning the SuperBowl only to show up completely outclassed. If his brain was working, he would've said that the Cardinals appear to be the only threat coming out of that division. I appears to me that the Cards are at least on the same level as anyone in the NFC North. Maybe the same as the Carolina Panthers. Quite possibly better than the Eagles. We still don't have any evidence that the Giants are what everyone is building them into.
I understand your defense of the cardinals, but I am talking about the division. the nfcw is bad....very bad. you say these other teams haven't proven anything to you? you say the giants haven't got evidence? what about that ring that most of their players have? that's enough evidence for me to say that right now I would pick the giants to beat anyone in the NFCW. the carolina panthers have been more impressive than the cardinals so far. the bears were annointed in the NFC that year and rightfully so. they clearly had flaws, but the NFC didn't have many elite quality teams back then. you are right for defending the cardinals. they are expected to make the playoffs. but all of those other teams teams you are trying to bring down.....are clearly as good as the cards.....some of them better. then they are all clearly better than the 3 other teams in your division. the nfcw is the runt of the nfl this year. that's what this arguement is mostly about. what makes my arguement different than dilfer's is that the cards are a capable team. and I've felt that way the past two years now. but every other week or so it seems like the cardinals do something that enables guys like dilfer to bash them. when they become consistent at playing well week in and out people will stop bashing them. so you asked for evidence.....dilfer probably is looking for some of that from the cardinals too. that's why he and others that might not follow the cards closely....continue to bash them.
