True or not, none of it surprises me..

[Stout]

Such a bizarre mantra.

From the article:

There was no dedicated HR director from 2008 until 2021 and no fully-staffed HR department until 2022.

Female media members from outside the organization were permitted to enter the team’s locker room during open periods in accordance with NFL rules. But up until the 2022 season, female members of the Cardinals’ staff, including those who worked for the team’s in-house media operation, could not go in.

In February 2021, the Cardinals sent out a press release touting the hiring of Kelly Jones for that role. ...
But Jones exited after just a couple of months on the job, and no explanation was given for his exit.

When McDonough’s allegations made headlines in April, the Cardinals held an emergency all-staff meeting to reassure employees. Later that month, every employee received invitations from Mayo and Tina Givens, senior director of people operations, to attend another listening session.

The April listening sessions took place in the executive conference room in the center of the second floor. The shades were lowered, but the location was public — anyone in the office could see who was coming and going. In at least one case, the session ended before the employees were done sharing their concerns.

Sixty minutes wasn’t enough time.

But none of that was beyond 2020, right? Right?

 

[BritCard]

Such a bizarre mantra.

From the article:

There was no dedicated HR director from 2008 until 2021 and no fully-staffed HR department until 2022.

Female media members from outside the organization were permitted to enter the team’s locker room during open periods in accordance with NFL rules. But up until the 2022 season, female members of the Cardinals’ staff, including those who worked for the team’s in-house media operation, could not go in.

In February 2021, the Cardinals sent out a press release touting the hiring of Kelly Jones for that role. ...
But Jones exited after just a couple of months on the job, and no explanation was given for his exit.

When McDonough’s allegations made headlines in April, the Cardinals held an emergency all-staff meeting to reassure employees. Later that month, every employee received invitations from Mayo and Tina Givens, senior director of people operations, to attend another listening session.

The April listening sessions took place in the executive conference room in the center of the second floor. The shades were lowered, but the location was public — anyone in the office could see who was coming and going. In at least one case, the session ended before the employees were done sharing their concerns.

Sixty minutes wasn’t enough time.

Except these are all just things, not bad things.

Not allowing female members of staff in a male locker room seems perfectly sensible and I imagine is policy at a lot of teams. The Org has no duty to reporters that don't work for them.

Kelly Jones left. So? Could have left for a 100 reasons. Could be his fault.

McDonough allegations are from 2018.

There are 140 employees it says. I would imagine 60 minutes would not be enough time in any organisation.

 

[BritCard]

But none of that was beyond 2020, right? Right?

Right. Because there's nothing in that list.

 

[kerouac9]

Except these are all just things, not bad things.

Not allowing female members of staff in a male locker room seems perfectly sensible and I imagine is policy at a lot of teams. The Org has no duty to reporters that don't work for them.

Kelly Jones left. So? Could have left for a 100 reasons. Could be his fault.

McDonough allegations are from 2018.

There are 140 employees it says. I would imagine 60 minutes would not be enough time in any organisation.

Okay

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Meh. All old news. Nothing in here that's post covid. Most of it 4 years old.

And they kinda lost me when they thought not having a dedicated room for nursing mothers was a big deal. Who has that?

Virtually every corporate office in the United States today. I believe it’s a legal requirement in some states. But doesn’t need to be “permanent.”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Very little of it is "Michael did this specific thing" or "They had this specific rule".

Nearly all of it is "I felt this" or "We felt we couldn't do that". The article every quote the Cards FO saying that these "unwritten rules" were misconceptions.

Unwritten rules that are allowed to pervade a workplace that has no formal HR structure to eliminate them become an tacitly accepted part of a company’s culture. The only people that say it’s a “misperception” are those wishing to spin it once caught. With that many people talking about the unwritten rules they are surely known at executive levels.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'd be bothered if it was recent but it's not. And Bidwill isn't going anywhere so why waste my time hand wringing over old news?

We have a new GM and coaching staff. They will set much of the culture. I don't expect it to be the same going forward.

They set a part of the team culture, not the office culture. And really even with the team culture they’re hands are tied by what Michael wants.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No doubt. I just felt like the article was presented as if it were investigative journalism and it mostly just rehashed what we already know. I want to know if things are the same today as they were when this information went public. Just adding more "I was unhappy because" comments with no context and nothing specific about when this happened didn't impress me.

Huh, this was the first time I’ve read about the ridicukous micromanagement of the corporate side of the office by Michael. That was new to me. Squeaky shoes - that’s just trash leadership.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I would love to hear you explain how inherited wealth is deserved.

Right? That’s the best possible example of “undeserving.” Now one can spend their lifetime working to “deserve” something, but inheritance? That’s just a luck of the draw scenario for a zygote.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow. Y'all are just overflowing with unsweetened haterade.

First, his family earned it. They invested in the team and built the business.
Mike? Mike could have chilled on his laurels and simply enjoyed life as a trust fund baby. Many do.
But Mike, Mike went to work. He went to law school...he then passed the BAR... Mike didn't sit around and let hi.self be kept.
Law school and the BAR...that's hard work. I have never done it but I know several who have. If you know anybody you should ask them.
Being a prosecutor didn't really prepare Mike to run an NFL team... but in a business that has dozens of active contracts not inclusive of players specifically knowing what all the heretofore and wheretofors mean when they are joined with a few words in latin...well that has to have value.
Then you throw in all the work on nfl commitees...
Mike is a dufus. I'll grant you that without argument.
But when it's abundantly clear he has worked his ass off for years...to say he is undeserving is just hatespeach and should be disregarded as such.

I became an attorney and passed two BARS. I’m stoked! I didn’t realize one of the fringe benefits was going to be professional sports ownership! Where’s my NFL team? Apparently I earned it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He has proven he isn't great at putting a winning team on the field. However, being incompetent does not make him undeserving of taking over the family business.

Actually, being incompetent is usually the deciding factor of being “deserving” of taking over any business. What you’re talking about is being legally able to take over the business. Yes, that’s accurate. But “deserving?” No. I suggest looking up the word “deserve.”

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Right? That’s the best possible example of “undeserving.” Now one can spend their lifetime working to “deserve” something, but inheritance? That’s just a luck of the draw scenario for a zygote.

The bootlicking of the rich in this country is fascinating.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

From the article, "The team eventually closed off the weight room to all non-football staff and offered employees discounted memberships to a local gym." A good reporter would've checked whether this is standard practice among all NFL teams. Seems as though allowing female employees, or any non-football staff, in the players' weight room is begging for a sexual harrassment / hostile work environment lawsuit, given the certainty of "locker room talk" taking place there among the players.

In some cases the article did note that the problems occurred pre-COVID, and that they have been addressed one way or another since. E.g. "Employee wellness initiatives announced in February of 2020". The new "Chief People Officer", Shaun Mayo, was hired in July 2021. "In 2022, the team renovated an unused office into a space for nursing mothers." There is now an HR director and "fully-staffed HR department".

It should've never come to this or taken this long to create a modern billion dollar corporate environment, but the article would've been more informative if the reporter had written about how employees feel about the changes and the current situation, rather than just talking about how much things sucked prior.

I’d agree with this. The changes are good ones. And the writer acknowledges those. The issue is that they weren’t driven by head of the snake, but rather seemed to be put in place only as the result of scathing criticism. That’s poor leadership . . . which remains the primary decisiomaker.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL. None of that means that Michael earned the leadership of a multi-billion-dollar company. He didn't earn any of that.

I'm the son of two attorneys. I've known a bunch of attorneys. There are lots and lots and lots of dumb attorneys.

He doesn't deserve any of this. No inherited wealth is deserved and pretty much all of it is immoral.



1) I agree that either all non-football staff should have access to the weight room or none of them should. Doesn't change the fact that closing it to non-female employees is deeply toxic behavior.

2) Finish reading the article and you'd find (and it's been quoted on this tread multiple times) that the Chief People Officer just held a new series of listening sessions and the employees didn't have time to share their concerns and complaints before the 60-minute meeting time ended. And the note that it was clear who was walking into that meeting, which is an invitation for retaliation.

Wow, which two professional franchises do your parents deserve to own?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Such is life that some people get things that are "undeserved". The people that built that wealth do deserve to pass it down to future generations of their own family though. That includes passing down control of a major sports team.

They “deserve” to do that or I they’re capable of it? As someone who will likely be the beneficiary of some passing of wealth, and someone who can pass along wealth to my boys I think about this kind of thing now and again. Because it is the current societal structure I will probably in both so as not to be disadvantaged at higher levels of socioeconomic competition, but I would vote to forego those advantages if the playing field were made even and no one could pass along wealth. The truth is, those that inherit the wealth like already had enormous advantages throughout their lives prior to the deaths of their benefactors such as great education and connections to get them started on their own wealth building. They really need another advantage from the wealth someone else built just because they popped outta that persons penis and vagina?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Damn k9... I know you like red, cardinals fan after all. But reel in the communism...wow...

Wait....screw it...where is my cut of Steve Jobs bank account?

Our stance isn’t communism. No one is saying you can’t build a capitalist empire. Just that it’s somewhat immoral for it to continue once the person who actually earned it is dead.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So to sum up.

The children of people that earned the money should not benefit from it as they are undeserving/have not earned it but instead it should be given away so that people who have nothing to do with the deceased who are also undeserving and have not earned it can benefit from it instead?

Who said anything about giving away to some randomly determined other undeserving people?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Except these are all just things, not bad things.

Not allowing female members of staff in a male locker room seems perfectly sensible and I imagine is policy at a lot of teams. The Org has no duty to reporters that don't work for them.

Kelly Jones left. So? Could have left for a 100 reasons. Could be his fault.

McDonough allegations are from 2018.

There are 140 employees it says. I would imagine 60 minutes would not be enough time in any organisation.

For a company with a history of terrible employee treatment the lack of HR infrastructure is like literally the worst “thing” they could do.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The bootlicking of the rich in this country is fascinating.

It really is. Just because that’s been the history of the world doesn’t make the practice beyond reproach. It’s been the history of the world because those in power (the wealthy) have always made the rules.

 

[juza76]

The bootlicking of the rich in this country is fascinating.

Is everywhere
Often the bootlicking are people with not much to offer and they are aware of It, so they choose a different path to upgrade their position, and many rich people loves having yes men around that make them feeling extremely special, its ego

 

[DVontel]

Brit be defending Bidwill like he’s a family member. It’s hilarious.

 

[Shane]

Thread closed… Too many personal jabs being thrown around.